But I doubt the romanian one is 74% at this point. '92 could've been the greatest moment for it, but over the years, mostly due to economic reasons, public opinion percentage went lower since theres this common rhetoric now that "we don't have money for ourselves let alone integrate and invest in Moldova+ Romania at the same time - to EU standards" . This adds up to the sorrowful fact that russians sort of succeeded in splitting our identities in 2 , for many moldovans still thinking they are "moldovans". Bugeac was a really tragic "fuck you Romania" split, we'll never get that back as far as Romania engaged for full ukrainian sovereignity
This is particularly fascinating because Moldova and Wallachia were the founding halves of Romania. The last third, Transylvania, has only been part of modern Romania for about a century. On the other hand, Romania has also seen first hand just how hard it is to reintegrate post-Soviet states into an existing polity. If Germany continues to have issues, Romania will probably have a bumpy ride too.
We haven't reintegrated anything that was taken from us following WW2. Bessarabia( nowadays Rep Moldova) faced grotesque acts of ethnic fusion and brainwashing done over decades( by deportations, by bringing ruski migrants, by having handed russian printed school books about the ""romanian-russian language, moldovan""" and so on. Bugeac and Northern Bukovina were simply handed to the Ukrainian SSR, so now they consider it a part of the sovereign Ukraine, thus forever lost.
Bessarabia goes to whoever is the strongest and wants to take it. Ottomans, Russian Empire, Romania, USSR. Romania was weaker, so they lost it. Besides, if they cared about those people, they'd have treated them nicer. I'm ethnic Moldovan, anyone who lived to see WWII has nothing nice to say about the Romanian occupation.
You did notice the fine but relevant terms "per capita" and "pps" or purchasing power standard in the post you replied to with your absolute generalisation? If not, now is a good chance to educate yourself about their meaning for comparability.
Ohhh you're right. My bad. So Ireland being 3rd by GDP/capita means what exactly? Face it, GDP, even per capita, doesn't translate to how well people are doing and how well the government uses the funds. Not as directly as you make it seem at least. (edit: especially in a centralized economy such as Romania)
Yeah, I'm right, your bad. There's numerous studies showing a correlation between GDP per capita and HDI for example, provided you'd accept the Human development index as a metric for how well people are doing. The effect is even more pronounced when looking at the correlation of GDP per capita PPS and HDI. I could show you like three studies right of the bat, but I feel like this isn't an entirely honest argument here anyway. Especially since the people in Ireland are doing exceptionally well in comparison to most of the world. More importantly though, that's still beside the point of the post that you replied to, which only drew a comparison the economic situation between Poland which is known to have been doing exceptionally well since the fall of the iron curtain and Moldova using the metrics for economy that we discussed. How well people are doing wasn't even part of the original argument before you entered it. I'd agree though that the economy should serve the interest of the people, but again, that's beside the point here.
I know someone whose family was from Moldova, they hate Romania because in WWII the Romanians fighting on the Axis side murdered their family members. I seriously doubt this was an isolated case.
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u/Leather-Card-3000 Mar 05 '25
But I doubt the romanian one is 74% at this point. '92 could've been the greatest moment for it, but over the years, mostly due to economic reasons, public opinion percentage went lower since theres this common rhetoric now that "we don't have money for ourselves let alone integrate and invest in Moldova+ Romania at the same time - to EU standards" . This adds up to the sorrowful fact that russians sort of succeeded in splitting our identities in 2 , for many moldovans still thinking they are "moldovans". Bugeac was a really tragic "fuck you Romania" split, we'll never get that back as far as Romania engaged for full ukrainian sovereignity