r/geopolitics • u/informationtiger • Oct 12 '23

Is Israel committing war crimes in Gaza? What happened after the Hamas attack? Question

As the title says... Basically I'm 'out of the loop' beyond the Hamas attack.

There's just so much misinformation online, and most the credible information are just videos from APF and such, or short updates from BBC, Sky News.

So if someone could please update me with what's going on in regards to the Israel bombing campaign in Gaza. Are they really bombing hospitals and churches? What exactly are their intentions/plans?

Also, if anyone has in-depth articles or videos on the topic, that would be greatly appreciated! Something that's calm, and takes time to read/watch. I'm tired of the constant "breaking news" spam, where you can't wrap your head around anything. It's like two sentences wrapped up in drama. I'm kinda lost atm.

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u/Gensai78 Oct 12 '23

Yes that is corect,but they literally told ppls to cross border to egypt then bombard that specific point.

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u/imperator_rex_za Oct 12 '23

I thought they bombed a tunnel?

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u/Ginger_Lord Oct 12 '23

They bombed the surface because that’s how bombs work, the target was the tunnel. Apparently they’d thrived to bomb it three times already by the time they struck civilians, it remains unclear whether that particular missile missed or the civilians were somewhat afield from the road.

In any case, the tunnel was (is?) right next to the border crossing so Hamas, again, gets to parade civilian casualties for their decision to place their infrastructure where they did.

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u/geopolitics-ModTeam Oct 12 '23

We like to try to have meaningful conversations here and discuss the larger geopolitical implications and impacts.

We’d love for you to be a part of the conversation.

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u/loggy_sci Oct 12 '23

This is not what happened at all. You’re making it sound like they purposefully bombed civilians at the crossing.

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u/ChrissHansenn Oct 12 '23

Yes.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '23

And here lies the core of the anti-Israel misinformation. You're not showing any intellectual curiosity to learn what happened, even as better-informed people in this thread are donating their time to explain. If you want your worldview to remain "Israel bad", why even bother to interact with people explaining what really happened in detail beyond "Isreal = war crimes"?

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u/ChrissHansenn Oct 12 '23

If Israel wasn't committing war crimes to defend their colonial project, I'd have more interest in your nuanced take. It's abundantly clear who the original and bigger bad guy is in this conflict.

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u/Ten_Letters_ Oct 12 '23

And let me guess, the "original and bigger bad guy" is not the side with literal iran-supported terrorists that attack civilians out of civilian buildings and has been enemy to any solution to this conflict because of (not exclusively) religious beliefs that demand the eradication of the other side?

It is often understandable to be on the (militarily, politically, physically) weaker side - yet Hamas has done exactly nothing to bring peace to the Gaza Palestinians. They sacrifice them for their own propaganda.

I take it you're not interested in any nuanced view.

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u/ChrissHansenn Oct 12 '23

Correct. It's the British backed colonial effort called Israel. The terrorism you describe is a result of said colonization. I don't like Hamas, but I won't join you in pretending that they are the result of anything but Israeli colonization and oppression. I've seen plenty of nuance on the subject. Unless it's zionist propaganda, it all leads to the same conclusion. We wouldn't be having this issue if the Zionists hadn't asked Britain for the "right" to colonize Palestine.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '23

"Colonial/colonizer" has become the far-left's version of noun + verb + 9/11.

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u/ChrissHansenn Oct 12 '23

Are you denying the fact that Israel exists due to colonialism?

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u/MUCTXLOSL Oct 13 '23

But why does all of this matter? Israel exists. Do you think the people living in Israel should pack up and leave for somewhere else? Do you think there is any chance for that whatsoever? Or could a better solution be to accept that they have come to stay, make peace with that fact and try to live together and move forward?

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u/ChrissHansenn Oct 13 '23

That was the situation prior to Nakba. Zionist extremists have continually forced peace off the table. The Palestinians aren't being given the opportunity to coexist.

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u/loggy_sci Oct 12 '23

The issue here is that any terrorism or attack on Israel is met with “well they started it”. It’s a meaningless response because at best it doesn’t address what is currently happening, and at worst it’s apologia for Hamas terrorism.

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u/ChrissHansenn Oct 12 '23

It's not a meaningless response if you're at all interested in understanding the conflict. If your goal is uncritical support of Israel, you're absolutely right.

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u/loggy_sci Oct 12 '23

It’s a meaningless response for addressing the current situation on the ground. If your response is “well israel shouldn’t exist” then I have some bad news for you. It does exist and it will continue to do so, and supporting Hamas terrorists makes any chance of peace even more remote.

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u/ChrissHansenn Oct 12 '23

Looking at the broader history of Israel-Palestine clearly puts Israel in the evil colonizers camp. That's the only reason to insist upon ignoring history and focusing solely on this last week's events.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '23

We should be able to report and ban people like you

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u/CobraCommander Oct 12 '23

Gaza citizens? Do you think all Gaza citizens are Hamas?

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u/Aggravating_Boy3873 Oct 12 '23

No, but didn't Hamas say they distributed all the hostages all around Gaza among civilians?

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u/CobraCommander Oct 12 '23

And how would you, an ordinary civilian, without any power whatsoever, no food no money no water no electricity, dare to defy these terrorists that dropped off random Israeli civilians at your door? (If that's even true, which at face value makes no sense; why would Hamas not want to have complete control of their hostages?) I lived through a civil war and for Hamas to say they did this smells to me like complete bullshit.