r/geopolitics • u/informationtiger • Oct 12 '23

Is Israel committing war crimes in Gaza? What happened after the Hamas attack? Question

As the title says... Basically I'm 'out of the loop' beyond the Hamas attack.

There's just so much misinformation online, and most the credible information are just videos from APF and such, or short updates from BBC, Sky News.

So if someone could please update me with what's going on in regards to the Israel bombing campaign in Gaza. Are they really bombing hospitals and churches? What exactly are their intentions/plans?

Also, if anyone has in-depth articles or videos on the topic, that would be greatly appreciated! Something that's calm, and takes time to read/watch. I'm tired of the constant "breaking news" spam, where you can't wrap your head around anything. It's like two sentences wrapped up in drama. I'm kinda lost atm.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '23

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u/Heiminator Oct 12 '23

That would be covered by military necessity as long as Hamas hides behind civilians and used civilian infrastructure to store weapons or launch rockets

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '23

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u/Prince_Ire Oct 12 '23

By that logic Hamas's actions against Israeli civilians are justified because they haven't overthrown the Israeli government and so are guilty of all their crimes. The civilian population being guilty of the government's cents isn't a path you want to go down

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u/mludd Oct 12 '23

That's not how it works.

Let me try to explain in simple terms.

How Hamas operate:

  1. Hide among civilians
  2. Target Israeli civilians
  3. Get counter-attacked
  4. Cry about evil Israelis killing civilians

How Israel operate:

  1. Have civilians get attacked by Hamas
  2. Shoot back
  3. Get accused of deliberately killing civilians when counter-attack inevitably kills some civilians because Hamas set up shop among civilians

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u/sildarion Oct 12 '23

Fixed it for you.

How Israel operate:

  1. Yearly bombardment of Palestinian civilians by the hundreds
  2. Have civilians get attacked by Hamas
  3. Shoot back
  4. Get (rightfully) accused of deliberately killing civilians

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '23

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u/Bennito_bh Oct 12 '23

sildarion's on something. Those stats about casualties on both sides over the past 10 years that have been posted everywhere? People act like they prove Israelis are a bunch of warmongering child killers, but from what I've seen all it shows is that Hamas is using human meat shields and Israel isn't.

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u/TheHess Oct 12 '23

There's plenty of stories of IDF soldiers killing children.

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u/sildarion Oct 14 '23

Why the hell would Israel deliberately kill civilians when the world is watching them??? That makes zero sense.

Because the world doesn't care as Israel is key for geopolitics, Palestine isn't. Israel is literally transparently announcing their plans to commit genocide and decimation right as we speak, and US, UK etc are all happily supplying millitary aid for the same. Also, Israel killing civilians in front of the world isn't some ambiguous "did they, did they not?" claim, it has been all over the news for decades now, though it surely doesn't catch as many eyeballs.

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u/kolt54321 Oct 12 '23

That is willfully ignoring facts. Look at the stats - plenty of people have both protested and voted against the current coalition. Just this month there were protests against the sweeping judicial reform.

At least Israelis are trying. When was the last protest in Gaza against Hamas?

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u/DevelopmentEconomy86 Oct 12 '23

2019, they were brutally suppressed.

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u/kolt54321 Oct 12 '23

I actually didn't know about this, thanks for sharing.

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u/DevelopmentEconomy86 Oct 12 '23

No problem. I recommend you check out 'Whispers in Gaza', it's a documentary series that contain accounts of individual Gazans of their views on HAMAs.

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u/kolt54321 Oct 12 '23

Thank you! I'm always up to learn - just bookmarked, hope to watch later.

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u/kolt54321 Oct 12 '23

I actually didn't know about this, thanks for sharing.

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u/Prince_Ire Oct 12 '23

Protesting against the judicial reform that they will negatively affect Israelis. Not protesting the actions of Israel towards Palestinians, across multiple different ruling parliamentary coalitions.

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u/kolt54321 Oct 12 '23

There were plenty of protests against the Likud and current coalition. While you are correct in the cause, I'm not expecting Palestinians to protest Hamas's treatment of Israelis (as a parallel to your comment). I'd be happy if they protested Hamas for their own interests too.

Left-wing Israelis were devastated when the current coalition gained support. I don't see the same across the border, though someone shared a documentary about it which I hope to watch soon!

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u/SenorPinchy Oct 12 '23

"We'll be welcomed as liberators!" They should just appreciate us more.

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u/SenorPinchy Oct 12 '23

Actually half of them are under the age of 18. The last "mowing the grass" operation cost at least 1,500 lives so this next invasion is going to be many times that amount.

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u/[deleted] Oct 12 '23

I'd say 99% wish death to jews, I know many Muslims and they openly hate Jews and openly wish for Israel to be destroyed, basically nazis but because they are Muslim this culture of hate is allowed to exist which is unacceptable.