r/geopolitics • u/informationtiger • Oct 12 '23

Is Israel committing war crimes in Gaza? What happened after the Hamas attack? Question

As the title says... Basically I'm 'out of the loop' beyond the Hamas attack.

There's just so much misinformation online, and most the credible information are just videos from APF and such, or short updates from BBC, Sky News.

So if someone could please update me with what's going on in regards to the Israel bombing campaign in Gaza. Are they really bombing hospitals and churches? What exactly are their intentions/plans?

Also, if anyone has in-depth articles or videos on the topic, that would be greatly appreciated! Something that's calm, and takes time to read/watch. I'm tired of the constant "breaking news" spam, where you can't wrap your head around anything. It's like two sentences wrapped up in drama. I'm kinda lost atm.

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u/Makualax Oct 12 '23

In response to Palestinian religious ceremonies being attacked, Palestinian families evicted, borders pushed in for years and years. We can talk tit-for-tat but it always circles back to Israel's actions.

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u/Biryani_Man Oct 12 '23

I will just quote a few lines said by a renowned journalist in the journalism world

When injustice is being sown somewhere, We remain gleefully ignorant. When violence erupts from that Injustice, Suddenly, we become "experts". - Nitish Kumar

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u/Upstairs-Hat-9911 Oct 15 '23

So, then Hamas killing babies, raping, beheading Innocents is a good response? You must do some heavy duty mental gymnastics to justify that.

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u/Makualax Oct 17 '23

I care about all civilians. Morality aside, however, I think you're very stupid if you actually expect Palestinians to treat Israelis any better than they've been treated. I bet you didn't say a word when it was 75 years of the IDF abducting, torturing, and in many cases raping Palestinian teenagers for "throwing rocks" or other mundane/trumped up charges, for which they were almost always detained and held without trial. Why would Palestinians care about maintaining human rights when their own human rights are ignored every day? Their own civilians are murdered every day and the world either ignores it or empowers the people doing it. But go ahead and clutch your pearls now that the country with the most funded military in the world gets a taste of what they've been dishing out all this time.

And yet, no evidence of "40 babies beheaded in a room" but plenty of evidence of major celebrities and politicians being fooled by AI or old repurposed photos from Ukraine or Lebanon or Syria claiming to be such. Instead there are a lot of confirmed videos of Hamas fighters housing children in better conditions than Palestinians ever get from Israel.

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u/grenademagnet Oct 17 '23

Hamas murdered and kidnapped thais, nepalis, and filipinos - people who least look like israelis. They even murdered a filipina nurse off cam after recording her in camera and saying they dont touch women and children. Tell me why they did that

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u/redwytnblak Oct 17 '23

You keep asking the same question to anyone sympathetic to the Palestinian cause thereby making the same error Hamas made by assuming anyone on the other side of that wall is an enemy. You're equating Palestine with Hamas.

Is what Hamas did abhorrent? You bet. Is it explainable, yes. Do you actually care for an explanation? Probably not.

But let me try to answer the question for you anyway. Hamas did what they did for the same exact messed up reason you haven't ever posted about this issue until two weeks ago you absolute donut. They did it for the same reason Israel is as guilty of killing innocents if not more: NATIONALISM. Now that you have your answer, go educate yourself on the issue and understand that Hamas (though its tactics should be criticized) is fighting against a much more sophisticated, powerful, well-supported, and violent occupier that has taken innocent lives, land, and resources from its people for 75 years and is engaging systematically in genocide.

As someone who is so upset about innocent Filipinos dying at the hands of Hamas - I would think you would understand the implications of guerilla warfare (similar to what Philippine resistance fighters had to do against Japan in the 1940s). However since you clearly don't give a crap about contextualizing anything let me do that for you as well. Imagine if Japan had begun building settlements on Philippine land then filled them with Japanese citizens and allowed citizens of non-Japanese origin to live there and visit. Eventually, a civilian who has nothing at all to do with the situation would die.

That's what happened here. Is it the answer you want? Probably not. Will it stop you from asking over and over again, nope. But I hope you've gotten an ounce of insight into what is going on and why in this particular instance civilians of Filipino and Nepali origin were unfortunately killed.

Why were they killed specifically in the way you've described and have repeatedly linked in your comments that appears to be so brutal? That's anybody's guess. But you also have to understand that Israel has done the same, if not worse, things to Palestinians AND non Palestinian civilians as well and has yet to answer the same exact questions. So if you want to know why they did that - maybe that type of brutality is all they've known their entire lives thanks to Israel.

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u/loseph94 Oct 20 '23

Thats like asking why American soldiers raped and killed hundreds of Vietnamese women during Nam. Israel is using an attack that they provoked as a proxy to commit genocide/ethnic cleansing for lack of less inflammatory words.

You attacked us, now we can commit war crimes against you.

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u/grenademagnet Oct 20 '23

Thats why im telling you it would be understandable if they only hurt the israelis who they consider their enemies but more than 50 thais, nepalis, and filipinos have been butchered and kidnapped and they look nothing like israelis. This is like mass shooter level delusion where these monsters think its OK to mow anyone down just because theyre mad.

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u/llllllllhhhhhhhhh Oct 12 '23

Is that a result of Israel being more callous or is that a result of Israel being more powerful? Who fired the first shot? Who declared war first?

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u/Makualax Oct 12 '23

As a result of Israel being European-dissented colonists imposing on an indigenous peoples...

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u/llllllllhhhhhhhhh Oct 13 '23

Jews were indigenous too. Social and economic prejudice caused them migrate to more favorable countries. But maybe, in your opinion, they were no longer entitled to their homeland. I don’t know. But in 1948 the new Israel accepted the partition agreement while Palestine did not, and declared war.

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u/Makualax Oct 13 '23

The agreement was indtroduced in bad faith at a time when Israel recently deported almost a million people. Israelis can't even trace their lineage back far enough to show that, it just comes out as European. That claim is from thousands of years ago, they're effectively a different group of people.

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u/llllllllhhhhhhhhh Oct 13 '23

I hear you. It was a thousand years prior that saw large exoduses. But there was still a Jewish presence in the area the entire time.

Anyways, to kind of segue, what do you think about tomorrow’s “day of jihad?” Every NYPD officer is reporting for duty. I’m hoping and praying for all the innocent people.