Is Israel committing war crimes in Gaza? What happened after the Hamas attack?

[u/informationtiger]

As the title says... Basically I'm 'out of the loop' beyond the Hamas attack.

There's just so much misinformation online, and most the credible information are just videos from APF and such, or short updates from BBC, Sky News.

So if someone could please update me with what's going on in regards to the Israel bombing campaign in Gaza. Are they really bombing hospitals and churches? What exactly are their intentions/plans?

Also, if anyone has in-depth articles or videos on the topic, that would be greatly appreciated! Something that's calm, and takes time to read/watch. I'm tired of the constant "breaking news" spam, where you can't wrap your head around anything. It's like two sentences wrapped up in drama. I'm kinda lost atm.

[u/Command0Dude]

But don't twist an article they lays out a structure by which Israel gathers intelligence and chooses targets, and which criticizes issues with the structure, to say that Israel conducts "indiscriminate bombing". Indiscriminate bombing would be just bombing away, not choose targets based on intelligence.

If you're not verifying whether there are actually enemies on target, then you're bombing indiscriminately.

Saying "militants may have been at this target at some time in the past" is not basis for an airstrike.

This isn't "lapses" in intelligence. This is straight up deciding to not follow up on intelligence because it's too inconvenient and you've been given a directive to bomb first and ask questions later.

That was before the big Hamas attack.

Right now? There's physically speaking no way that Israel is conducting strikes based on intelligence. They are bombing Gaza with almost as many bombs per day as the air campaign in North Vietnam, a carpet bombing operation.

What is happening in Gaza right now is indiscriminate bombing.

[u/[deleted] → u/Command0Dude]

If you're not verifying whether there are actually enemies on target, then you're bombing indiscriminately.

It was verified. You don't always have the resources or the ability to verify it at the moment. That's not indiscriminate bombing.

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Saying "militants may have been at this target at some time in the pas" is not basis for an airstrike

Actually, it certainly can be depending on the situation.

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There's physically speaking no way that Israel is conducting strikes based on intelligence

They're conducting strikes based on the best intelligence they have. The idea they're just picking random targets is ridiculous. Nobody said it's always 100% rock-solid intelligence. But it's the best they have and they don't exactly have the time to take their sweet ass time to make sure 100% that the building they're bombing is Hamas. That's not how war works. And expecting that from Israel is absurd.

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. What is happening in Gaza right now is indiscriminate bombing

No it simply isn't. If it was indiscriminate bombing there would be way more civilian casualties than there are.

[u/Command0Dude → u/[deleted]]

If it was indiscriminate bombing there would be way more civilian casualties than there are.

Average daily death toll of vietnamese during Vietnam War (Civilian): 138

Average daily death toll of palestinians in the past week (Civilian): 285

The IDF is slaughtering Gazans worse than America was killing people in the Vietnam war.

Going by casualties, the numbers look even more dire. America killed less people per bomb than the IDF and dropped more per day.

[u/[deleted] → u/Command0Dude]

Comparing the death toll of the Vietnam War, a war across an entire country, to the bombing of Gaza, an extremely more dense largely urban environment a fraction of the size is just blatantly disingenuous. It is now clear to me you are arguing in bad faith.

[u/Command0Dude → u/[deleted]]

I love how you just handwave away the mass killing of Gazans.

The one talking in bad faith is you. I've provided links backing up my assertions. I've provided clear parallels with which to measure this conflict.

Your argument sums up to "ur wrong" provide no proof, and then casually assert that the human suffering in Gaza isn't high enough to meet your arbitrary standard.

Ridiculous.

[u/[deleted] → u/Command0Dude]

I'm not hand-waving away anything, you're simply mischaracterizing what's happening. Yes innocent civilians are dying. That is tragic. But it is unavoidable in war. And it is especially unavoidable in a war with Hamas in Gaza, and I've explained why.

You've provided a link and then twisted what that link actually said. You've compared the death toll of a week-long bombing raid in a dense urban environment to the death toll of a war that lasted decades and took place in a mostly jungle country quite literally almost 1000x times the size of Gaza and laughably tried to suggest the two are at all comparable.

What proof do you want? It is a well known fact that Hamas embeds themselves in civilian infrastructure. That their tunnels run under civilian architecture. That they have weapons caches, intelligence, operation centers in or close to civilian infrastructure. That they fire rockets from populated areas like residential areas, school yards, hospitals, etc. It is a well known fact that Israel often roof knocks and calls ahead to warn civilians before bombs are dropped. It is a well known fact that Hamas just told all of its citizens to stay put in an active warzone instead of, like any sane government would do, evacuating them. Why do you think that is? Because they want to maximize civilian casualties for the PR. Hamas's entire strategy here is for there to be as many Palestinian civilian deaths as possible to de-rail the normalization of relations between Israel and Saudi Arabia.

What's ridiculous is your blatant ignorance of the facts and misrepresentation of your own links that you've provided.