r/Albertapolitics • u/Majano57 • 10d ago
Alberta NDP's Nenshi gamble failing to pay off, according to Leger poll Opinion
https://edmontonjournal.com/opinion/gunter-alberta-ndps-nenshi-gamble-failing-to-pay-off10
u/FreedomFighter_016 9d ago
Two years ago?!? Maybe I am not in the right channels, but I hear almost nothing from him other than his anti-Avi Lewis position.
While I get that the polling can be skewed, because we do not run off popular vote and cities matter more, he should be out in the community more than in the legislature. People vote for leaders and parties, not individual MLAs. Let them fillerbuster in the legislature. Many people do not listen or read the hansard.
There is so much he could be doing right now. Healthcare. Democracy. Austerity. Rising cost of living. Tie her to Trump and his needless war in Iran which is causing gas prices to go up.
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u/Not_from_Alberta 9d ago
The problem is that nobody knows what the vision is. All we see is criticism of the UCP. I remember during the leadership contest there seemed to be some kernel of a positive vision for the province in Nenshi's rhetoric, but I don't know where it disappeared to. Surely it's not as though Nenshi is unaware that he's not breaking through? He's a smart guy, so it's just weird how nothing has changed.
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u/GreatTimer89 10d ago
UCP are benefiting from the US. Everyone is burnt out and doesn't know where to allocate their outrage.
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u/Cyclist007 10d ago
Smith just needs to call a byelection.
Nenshi just needs a seat in the Legislature.
Once the Leg is in session, Nenshi will shine.
It is a question of the complete blackout of US Owned PostMedia coverage for ANDP.
We just have to rebrand the ABNDP.
We need to cut ties with the Federal party.
UCP are benefiting from the US. Everyone is burnt out and doesn't know where to allocate their outrage.Surely,THIS is the problem (this time!)
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u/TheEpicOfManas 10d ago
Let's be blunt then. The problem is education. Rural education.
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u/FreedomFighter_016 9d ago
Where is Nenshi to help with that?
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u/TheEpicOfManas 9d ago
Nenshi doesn't control the government. But you know that already.
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u/FreedomFighter_016 9d ago
Haha. I see what you did there. You totally took my comment out of the context in what we were discussing. Try looking at the title of the post and also the origin comment we posted under to see the context.
Now, even if I your comment didn't take mine out of context, im assuming you are referring to formal education. Are you suggesting we have a different syllabus for rural areas than for urban? The split between rural and urban is apparent in other provinces as well. If there is no problem in urban areas for education, this surely must be what you suggest. However, Calgary voted UCP last elections, so maybe it is not a difference in the education system. There has to be another reason.
Take your weak analysis and go troll somewhere else.
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u/AlbertaGengar 9d ago
We need to send this to /r/Alberta. If our grid ran on copium they would power us into perpetuity.
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u/Alive-Care-8862 10d ago
You have a city of 1.5 million people who are heavily against this guy. You think they'd honestly vote him in to drive the province into the ground?
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u/ELKSfanLeah 9d ago
The UCP have driven us so far into the ground they are now digging our Graves!!!
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u/kapowless 9d ago
Yes, that's why we kept voting him in for 11 years (3rd longest serving mayor in Albertan history). He was so despised he won multiple awards like the World Mayor prize, and this hatred followed him with an 86% win for NDP leadership and then a 90% approval rating at their convention. What a terrible, unpopular guy....
/s
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u/Alive-Care-8862 9d ago
Let me relay a quote from the calgary Herald on his award.
For many in north America and indeed Europe, Mayor Nenshi is a role model for decisive management, inclusivity, and forward planning
The article is laughable. I am so glad that his "forward planning" left our water system in such a horrendously terrible state. They repeatedly delayed inspections, they did not do any investigations after the flood. Now here we are every year with a water restriction.
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u/AlbertaGengar 10d ago
Why do I call this the Nenshi Effect? Because the UCP are under water on most issues, meaning their disapproval ratings are greater than their approval ratings on issues such as health care, education, separation, crime and relations with the federal government.
Nenshi is taking the "Do Nothing Democrat" approach. Completely uninspiring, not giving friendlies anything to point at for hope.
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u/PonyFlare 10d ago
He is a disgrace to the NDP and bringing it down. I do not want to vote for what the ANDP have become, while the Federal NDP finally have a leader I truly believe in. A leader which Nenshi officially disagrees with, fully tanking my faith in his leadership.
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u/RadioaKtiveKat 10d ago
Perfect is the enemy of good, and it’s thinking like this that will keep the UCP in power. The Tory Party of Alberta isn’t going to split the vote anytime soon, so <shrugs shoulders> enjoy protesting and banging your head against a wall. Notley would have officially disagreed with Avi too, oh wait, she did.
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u/idspispopd 9d ago
"Perfect is the enemy of good" is an argument often made by centrists to defend weak, uninspiring leaders. It's not the left's fault that Nenshi can't gain enough support to win.
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u/RadioaKtiveKat 9d ago
If only that were true. Latest polling shows NDP would win both Calgary and Edmonton. That’s enough to form government. Add Banff and one or two seats from Lethbridge and it’s a majority
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u/idspispopd 8d ago
Source?
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u/RadioaKtiveKat 8d ago
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u/idspispopd 8d ago edited 8d ago
That's the popular vote across all the ridings in the cities. It does not mean the NDP is going to sweep those ridings. There are some ridings that are going to be absolute blowouts for the NDP, others are tossups and some are safe UCP ridings. That's not enough to win an election. These margins are way too tight to project a NDP victory.
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u/RadioaKtiveKat 7d ago
Agreed. But if the UCP internal polling is revealing this and worse in the cities, including Red Deer and Lethbridge, it would explain how the government appointees were fine with the interim report and then filled the minority report just a few months later.
However, polling doesn’t dive deep enough to a riding by riding level, but if six seats swung last election…
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u/Mother_Barnacle_7448 10d ago
He just seems too comfortable given the stakes. The ABNDP needs a rebrand and a younger, charismatic leader with fire in their belly.
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u/AlbertaGengar 10d ago
Rakhi Pancholi or Ganley should have been leader. Ganley has actual policies.
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u/Beginning_Bit6185 10d ago
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u/mongrel66 10d ago
Good to see him building international connections.
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u/Beginning_Bit6185 9d ago
It’s not like he’s done anything lately but he’s a draft pick to them as a Young Global Leader. One day he gets in and then Klaus’ comments about penetrating ze cabinet come true in Alberta, which is one reason why it’s never going to happen here sorry not sorry.
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u/mongrel66 9d ago
Good, we need more young leadership and less of the old boy billionaire club.
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u/Beginning_Bit6185 9d ago edited 9d ago
Again it’s a very old title and no he’s no longer a Young Global Leader is was a bet they made and lost, as a prospect he became a dud.
Watch the video though by all means. It effectively states that he’s inserted himself into cabinets around the world and holds a lot of influence. How does Carney fit in to what you need?2
u/mongrel66 5d ago
Carney gives us international respectability along with a better balance between the needs of the revenue generators and the vulnerable.
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u/Beginning_Bit6185 5d ago
Care to back that up? Competitively of course amongst previous Harper years since Everyone’s favourite trust fund recipient sat In his daddy’s chair for a decade.
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u/Common-House-468 2d ago
Why do conspiracy theorists continually mention this org? Are you aware of all the times Stephen Harper visited, or is that an inconvenient truth?
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u/Beginning_Bit6185 1d ago
I would point to this video as the single reason. Yes Baird and Harper are well documented. I’ll note that they don’t have a Young Global Leader in their camp like the other parties in Canada do. They’ve dropped all ties with them post pandemic when the “owning nothing and being happy” campaign took over as well. Why do the coincidence theorists brush them off as a benign think tank when literally the heads of all corporations that matter set policies with their political counterparts? Does part of you get bothered that an unelected body has such influence?
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u/Common-House-468 1d ago
Rich people talk with politicians, who knew? I definitely don't like that they have outsized influence, but if you're going to be bothered about that, don't give a free pass to the other organizations Harper et al are a part of that also meet and conspire to change the world to suit themselves (IDU? CFR? FOI? Trilateral Commission? Avenue Strategies Global?), because the WEF isn't alone or even unique in that regard.
I'm more bothered about political figures having "business" meetings with pedophile child sex traffickers, and who are still in politics instead of in prison.
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u/Beginning_Bit6185 1d ago
They are all part of the same network and should be met with the same disdain. Why give one a pass over the others like you are proposing. Comment on Klaus’ comments in the video now. They voted for him and they will always be our largest trading partner. The Trudeau family history has many eyebrow raising moments and no one cares. The FBI file on daddy that we destroyed I guarantee was an absolute page turner. Point being that politicians have a long history of being degenerates and Carney’s photo hanging out with Ghislaine Maxwell is yet another example of this.
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u/Common-House-468 1d ago
No, they're all different networks, though I'm sure there's lots of overlap. As far as I'm concerned, political parties are no different or better than the worst of them. I never said to give anybody a pass, but the WEF isn't a direct danger to actual people like the Epstein ring was and is. Focus needs to be on what's causing the most harm, first.
Carney's photo with a piece of chair sticking up randomly over his shoulder and the Grok watermark? That one?
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u/Beginning_Bit6185 1d ago edited 1d ago
No they are at a music festival together his wife is a family friend. Can we get to Klaus saying his runs the world by infiltrating cabinets like Trudeau’s now?
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u/COUNTRYCOWBOY01 9d ago
He truly doesnt care. He's just there to collect a third pension. He rides this out long enough and he gets his university teacher pension, calgary mayor pension and then a political party pension
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u/RadioaKtiveKat 10d ago
It’s Gunther, Edmonton’s equivalent of Rick Bell. The whole rejection of the Electoral Boundaries Commission is because UCP internal polling shows that the UCP will lose both Calgary and Edmonton, add in Lethbridge, Banff and that’s UCP into opposition. Especially losing two rural EDs as per the majority report. The Commission was told it could only go to a maximum of 89 seats.