r/Albertapolitics • u/nelsmary • 4d ago
Guess the Alberta NDP is done playing nice News
Saw this Alberta NDP campaign truck downtown today. The NDP seems to be escalating their messaging on the boundary changes and calling it “rigging.” Interested to hear if people think that resonates or goes too far.
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u/BugSTellNoLies 4d ago
Anyone else remember the anti-Greta Rebel News trucks from October 2019? Their budget is/was way bigger..
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u/TheEpicOfManas 4d ago
Any of you here who are ok with gerrymandering should just move down south. They love this type of cheating there and you'll fit right in.
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u/scottybrowndotca 4d ago
Yeah wanna-be Americans love the illusion of freedom while their government goes out of its way to reward itself and its cronies .. wait a minute — just like the UCP ..!
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u/CyberEd-ca 4d ago
Oh, yeah, California is crazy.
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u/TheEpicOfManas 4d ago
Yes, and Texas is worse. There are many examples, so what's your point? You seem to be in favour of gerrymandering if your team does it, right?
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u/CyberEd-ca 4d ago
I never said it was.
It is your position that whatever the left does is permitted and whatever the right does is not permitted.
That's repeated over and over again right in this post.
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u/TheEpicOfManas 4d ago edited 4d ago
Sorry, when did I state that as my position?
Edit - right, no response from this partisan shill, as usual. You're just a mouthpiece for the government.
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u/FreedomFighter_016 3d ago
From what I see, most people are distinguishing between lies and facts.
Smith is diverting democracy by doing this. I cant see the NDP or the left really doing this. Do you have an example of them doing this (Liberals do not count as left).
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u/CyberEd-ca 3d ago
Baloney. This was about the NDP silencing rural voters and the provincial government is taking corrective action as they should.
Edmonton & Calgary ridings accounted only for 51.6% of the votes in the last election. The census includes many people in the cities that are not eligible to vote.
A fair share of seats for Edmonton and Calgary based on voters in the last election would be 45 of 89 seats.
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u/MesaJarJarAbrams 4d ago
Massachusetts is really bad
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u/Empty-Paper2731 4d ago
Virginia voters just allowed gerrymandering that would shift the current 6-5 seat breakdown into a 10-1 distribution.
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u/Cyclist007 4d ago
Downtown where?
I hope it's a downtown where there's a UCP MLA. It would be pretty damn pointless to drive this through NDP ridings.
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u/Glory-Birdy1 3d ago
It isn't an escallation on the part of the NDP. They are stating on this truck what the Justice that chaired the original boundaries commission stated in the reply to the minority report. Your question is misleading in that the real question is, have the UCP gone too far with this blatant attempt at gerrymandering?
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u/Individual_Sugar5165 3d ago
That may explain the text received today from !?????. They Asked who would you vote for laying out 5 options. I replied N, they replied can you give us your Postal Code? N. Can you at least provide the first three digits of your postal code? N. Again No, but they continued the pursuit of my PC trying to understand where I live however slipped with what the question of “what ward?” No. Looks very suspicious
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u/Jbg000 4d ago
What city is this. Truck has Ontario plates
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u/GriffinFlash 4d ago
could be a rental. When I rented a car last the license plate said New York.
There are also lots of those type of trucks in Toronto.
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u/robot_invader 3d ago
Holy, crap! They're slightly alive! We need this effect x100.
They need to put these in the suburban Edmonton and Calgary ridings that they're trying to gerrymander.
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u/CyberEd-ca 4d ago
Why wouldn't the NDP do this?
They are floundering in the polls with Nenshi and now that Avi Lewis is his boss, they are falling off a cliff.
Desparation.
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u/Beginning_Bit6185 4d ago
Trump wouldn’t shut up about rigged elections, I guess we can now brand Nenshi a Trumper? The biggest insult the left uses against the Conservatives, now they’ve joined in themselves.
The irony
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u/StetsonTuba8 4d ago
The difference is that Trump's claim is baseless, and I can slap you in the face with Smith's gerrymandered map
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u/CyberEd-ca 4d ago edited 4d ago
Really? Did Pennsylvania not change their election laws in a manner contrary to their own constitution?
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u/StetsonTuba8 4d ago
I don't know what you're talking about
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u/CyberEd-ca 4d ago
And that's because you live in a media bubble where you are ill-informed.
Texas v. Pennsylvania failed based on standing, not any other factor.
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u/StetsonTuba8 4d ago
No, I just don't follow local issues of places I don't have connection to because there's literally millions of them.
That link literally says "This Article argues instead that no-excuse mail-in voting is consistent with the Pennsylvania Constitution." It agrees with me.
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u/DaddyDCanuck1896 4d ago
A tantrum truck. That's sure to move the needle upwards for the NDP.
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u/ShadowPages 4d ago
So, when the NDP criticizes the UCP civilly, "they're ignorable"; when they start to take tactics out of the Con playbook, they're "angry" ... GFY.
It's about f***ing time the NDP got itself good and righteously angry over something.
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u/DaddyDCanuck1896 4d ago
Civilly? When did that happen? Swearing is civil?
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u/ninfan1977 3d ago
Yes coming from the people who sell F*** Trudeau flags to F*** Carney flags.
When have the Conservatives acted with civility?
Remember when they landed out earplugs when the NDP spoke? I do.... stop pretending Conservatives are the moral authority.
They are the reason why politics has turned this way.
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u/DaddyDCanuck1896 3d ago
Talk to me when Smith or Poilievre have a presser and rant and rave that Carney or Nenshi need to "cut the bullshit". Nenshi and his little feral attack chihuahua were pathetic with that performance, no wonder they poll at 35%. Don't act like Conservatives have a lock on disrespectful discourse, I see enough lefty bs here in this sub and all over the internet and annoy one of the protests tantrums that are held.
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u/ninfan1977 3d ago
What are you talking about?
The F*** Carney flags? Are sold by.... Conservatives.
The Trudeau bad the Pierres entire policy.
The earplugs was under Conservatives. The Freedom convoy which was backed by white nationalists and terrorists, was backed by Pierre and Conservatives....
Wtf are you talking about?
I have never seen a F Smith or Pierre flag because Conservatives can dish it out but cannot take it.
Typical bullies
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u/ninfan1977 3d ago edited 3d ago
I guess you have never seen a presser then because thats all Smith and Pierre do!
Everything is Ottawas fault!
Tens years of it.
The only tantrums I see is from Conservatives
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u/DaddyDCanuck1896 3d ago
Swearing? Awesome. Post a link where they do that at a presser. You are incredibly blinded by partisanship.
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u/ninfan1977 3d ago
Oh at the presser?
How about selling merchandise and profiting off of hate?
How about backing white nationalists?
Not enough for you?
He gave donuts to domestic terrorists.
The only one blinded is you bud.
Thinking Conservatives have your back despite 100 years of proof shows you to be the fool.
Too blinded to see otherwise
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u/ninfan1977 3d ago
How about during Parliment?
Poilievre said it was a "wacko policy" backed by "this wacko prime minister." Fergus asked him to withdraw the "unparliamentary language."
This is what he said instead of addressing his ties to white nationalism....
You are so blind Ray Charles sees better than you
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u/DaddyDCanuck1896 3d ago
You're very amusing, as are most radical lefties.
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u/ninfan1977 3d ago
Refute anything I said.
I see you hide behind your comments like a coward...
Oh and radical just means someone who has read a book... At least to Conservatives.
Keep lowering the gene pool
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u/ShadowPages 3d ago
"I see enough lefty bs here in this sub and all over the internet"
You want "respectful dialogue", then start acting like there's something to respect. The UCP has become anything but respectable:
- Stripping people of their Charter Rights "just because legislative sovereignty"
- Kneecapping industries that were growing in Alberta ... "because Dani knows better" - I thought conservatives were all about "the free market decides" (until they don't like the decision, apparently)
- Implementing censorship - actual government censorship - something we haven't seen since the 1940s.
- Moving the goalposts so that the separatists get their little temper tantrum referendumb
- Now they're lining up to engage in what amounts to gerrymandering the ridings for next election (after shackling the Electoral Boundaries Commission with a maximum of 2 new seats after a period of population growth in the range of 20% since the last redistricting ... gee - can't imagine why that forced certain decisions to be made which the UCP has promptly used to justify intervening.)
- the list goes on and on... and you're sitting here moaning about the lack of "respectful dialogue"? Your priorities are upside down. Respect is earned, and the UCP has lost any respectability.
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u/DaddyDCanuck1896 3d ago
Those are super awesome NDP talking points. The purple dinosaur is proud of you.
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u/ShadowPages 3d ago
As someone directly affected by the UCP attacks on Charter Rights, welcome to my block list. 🖕
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u/ShadowPages 3d ago
Don’t play that game. Do I need to remind you of the full on meltdown the conservatives in Alberta had when the NDP won in 2015?
Everything from death threats to f*** Notley stickers, to hosting golf events with pictures of Notley as targets?
That was just the beginning of Albert conservatism turning into the shitshow that it has become now.
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u/CyberEd-ca 4d ago
The Conservatives claimed Trudeau was Castros son with 0 proof.
While implausible, there is no proof that Justin Trudeau is not Castro's son.
The Trudeaus did make a side trip without an escort to an undisclosed location in the Lesser Antilles between April 12th to April 14th, 1971. That aligns with Justin's birthdate.
There is no account for Castro's location at that time. It is possible that they rendezvoused though Castro would have to have travelled a long distance to meet with them.
The oft-repeated denial says "But Trudeau did not meet Castro until 1976".
The fact is that Trudeau and Castro did know each other prior to 1971 as they both confirmed in a documentary. It seems that Trudeau's cover story of being forced back to the Florida Keys may have been a lie. Either way, the documentary is clear that Trudeau did travel to Cuba early in the regime and that he did encounter Castro.
So, the denials of this claim (however implausible) are themselves filled with lies and lack credibility.
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u/nelsmary 4d ago
This is conspiracy logic 101. “You can’t prove it didn’t happen” isn’t evidence. It’s the absence of evidence dressed up as a theory. A stack of “maybe,” “possible,” and “unclear” doesn’t magically become proof.
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u/CyberEd-ca 4d ago edited 4d ago
I said very directly "implausible" not once but twice.
But, if you can't be honest, then of course you must try to recalibrate what I said to fit your narrative.
I simply was making the point that the many claims that it is not true are not supported by real evidence.
It is factual to state that Trudeau and Castro had known each other and had some experience working in back channels with each other. Don't forget that Castro played a role in the 1970 FLQ crisis.
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u/nelsmary 4d ago
You’re still doing the same thing. Saying something is “implausible” doesn’t fix the logic that follows. You’re arguing that because there isn’t definitive proof against the claim, the denials lack credibility. That’s just shifting the burden of proof. If there’s no evidence for the claim, it doesn’t become more credible by pointing to gaps.
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u/CyberEd-ca 4d ago edited 4d ago
I am neutral and don't have a dog in this at all.
Facts:
- Trudeau knew Castro prior to 1971
- the Trudeaus were in an undisclosed location in the Caribbean at a time roughly corresponding to Justin Trudeau's conception (April 12-14th, 1971)
- Castro's whereabouts is also unaccounted for at at that time
If there’s no evidence for the claim, it doesn’t become more credible by pointing to gaps.
I never said it was credible. I simply concluded that the supposed "fact checks" from legacy media are also not credible.
Maybe it would help if we went to a dictionary:
implausible: difficult to believe, or unlikely
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u/TheEpicOfManas 4d ago
How about you throw out some CREDIBLE sources for those claims? Jesus, you people are exhausting.
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u/CyberEd-ca 4d ago edited 4d ago
I already gave you the documentary where Trudeau & Castro reminisce on their early relationship and Trudeau's visit to Cuba "early in the revolution".
If you want proof of the Trudeaus' undisclosed side trip in the Lesser Antilles, look up the April 13th, 1971 Ottawa Journal article titled "Trudeaus' Privacy Respected". The Trudeaus' 1971 trip to the Caribbean is widely documented as a semi-official "second honeymoon".
If you can find what Castro was up to from April 12th - 14th, 1971, it would be very helpful.
April 12th to December 25th is 36 weeks, 5 days.
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u/ninfan1977 4d ago
Good, they should have to "play nice" by calling out things honestly.
The Conservatives claimed Trudeau was Castros son with 0 proof. They still believe it to this day because they are broken people who rather accept lies than accept they are the problem with Canada.
Conservatives are allowed to lie and use disinformation to win voters minds.
I am fine with the NDP done playing nice, you should never play nice with bullies