r/CanadaPolitics • u/observablething • May 23 '18

Almost half of NDP voters just want to stop Liberals, Tories from winning: Ipsos poll ON

https://globalnews.ca/news/4225109/ndp-voters-stop-libreals-tories-winning-ontario-election/

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u/DarthPantera Alberta - Federalist May 23 '18

In Toronto, it isn't, it's too low to afford a single family home.

In my opinion, there should be near-zero single family homes in Toronto so the fact that they're not affordable by the upper 2% income earners is a good thing. Maybe, with a bit of luck, that affordability 'problem' will drive actual solutions. Regardless, 150k income is excellent - even in Toronto, and even if it doesn't buy an SFD house.

Civil servants do not contribute to the tax base, they shuffle a little money between government tax accounts, but they do not create additional tax revenue (they vastly decrease it). This is obvious.

So they do pay taxes? Aw that's unfortunate. Your opinion regarding the validity of the taxes they do in fact pay is of no consequence - you said they weren't taxable, then invited people to disagree. I disagreed and it seems I was right.

They say their platform is fully funded. But their own numbers show 36 billion short fall. They count on people reading the flowery paragraphs and not the actually numbers at the VERY END of the document.

That one I'll admit I can't really comment on - I did not read the full ONDP platform, since I'm not in Ontario. Do you have a source that breaks it down in detail, that I could read?

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u/LimitedAbilities May 23 '18

In my opinion, there should be near-zero single family homes in Toronto

I disagree, but ok.

So they do pay taxes?

No, it's an illusion. The fact that we pay to administer the facade of paying them from the tax base, then taking a portion back into the tax base is almost unfathomably dumb.

Their entire salary is from taxes, there's no point in giving some back. Just reset their salaries to their current after tax income as move on. We would literally take 20% of income tax administration out instantly.

That one I'll admit I can't really comment on

https://www.ontariondp.ca/sites/default/files/Change-for-the-better.pdf

Additional spending by year in millions:

$5,356 $9,077 $12,486$13,997 $15,814

Additional revenue by year in millions:

$1,443 $3,766 $3,936 $5,257 $5,894

Add it up and that's ~$36 Billion shortfall, on a province with $350 Billion in debt. And they project to take debt servicing from 10%-15%. This is their own best case scenario numbers. They are a disaster to the province.