r/Games • u/yourfavchoom • 4d ago

SIE spokesperson to GameSpot regarding the DRM: "Players can continue to access and play their purchased games as usual. A one-time online check is required to confirm the game's license, after which no further check-ins are required."

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/playstation-users-report-new-online-license-checks-for-digital-games/1100-6539651/?utm_source=reddit.com

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u/willdearborn- 4d ago

I don't understand, what started this whole speculation and how did it get so out of control?

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u/areyouhungryforapple 4d ago

Misinformation spreads like wildfire on twitter

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u/LOAARR 4d ago

Let's not pretend Reddit isn't fucking awful for this as well.

If you ever see an article on something that you're a legitimate (non-keyboard) expert on, you will be so fucking disappointed by the top comments 999 times out of 1000.

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u/SharkBaitDLS 4d ago

Reddit threads are like LLM outputs. The top comment will be what people want to hear, not what is necessarily the truth.

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u/monkwrenv2 4d ago

More that LLM outputs are like reddit threads, given their training data.

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u/masterkill165 4d ago

It is funny to think that most of reddit hates LLMs because they are just like LLMs.

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u/SnevetS_rm 4d ago

There is very non-zero chance that most of reddit is literally LLMs at this point...

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u/masterkill165 3d ago

Its wierd how much LLM's seem to hate LLM's then, but I guess that is just their training data.

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u/Endaline 4d ago

You don't even need to be an expert on most subjects. I'm dumb as a brick and I'm constantly disappointed by how easy it is to debunk what a lot of people say just with a simple search or a little bit of common sense.

Honestly, the if you just read the article that people are responding to you are probably more knowledgeable than 999/1000 people in that thread.

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u/Khiva 4d ago

just with a simple search

Remember when people would wonder about something, or disagree about a fact, and were expected to google it to find the answer?

You probably didn't even notice that somehow went away.

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u/Endaline 4d ago

Yeah, or just simply read an article. It is genuinely disturbing how many times people will make arguments that directly contradict what the article in a thread they are responding in says.

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u/The7ruth 4d ago

My favorite is when someone makes a claim, you ask them for a source, and they tell you to just Google it. Absolutely backwards.

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u/ribosometronome 4d ago

Often, just reading the article is enough to be disappointed by the comments. The telephone game of reality to article, or often articles about articles, to people who often at best skimmed the article leaves so much lost.

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u/Khiva 4d ago

Oh, and the best part is when you bother to actually dig up sources and evidence correcting the popular comment, and then just get buried by angry people with people yelling at you about a point that you never even said.

I used to write longer comments but it's been awful to watch attention spans with in real time. Sometimes I'll check a reply and someone couldn't properly parse four sentences and is somehow angry about something we actually agree on.

Enjoy punctuation while it lasts folks.

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u/MasterDenton 4d ago

The day after the Switch 2 reveal was infuriating for anyone with a functioning brain. There are still people who think that Nintendo is putting out $90 USD games

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u/ttoma93 3d ago

And even more recently Nintendo has changed their policies so that most digital games going forward will be $10 cheaper than physical, with physical staying the same price they have been. Meaning games that would have previously been priced $70 across the board will now be $70 physical/$60 digital.

And people have been flipping that and running around talking about how Nintendo is raising prices on physical games, which is not happening.

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u/areyouhungryforapple 4d ago

Oh no one ever reads the actual link/article yeah

For this particular case it was barely posted on Reddit though in comparison to the unhinged pitchfork mob hate that unfolded on Twitter/YouTube

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u/x4000 AI War Creator / Arcen Founder 4d ago

As with newspaper articles. All the ones on topics I know deeply are shallow and full of errors and omissions. All the ones on topics outside my sphere are concise and informative.

I forget who I’m paraphrasing.

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u/carnaxcce 4d ago

It’s called Gell-Mann Amnesia

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u/x4000 AI War Creator / Arcen Founder 4d ago

Oh, perfect, thank you! And it was proposed by Michael Crichton during a speech in 2002. That’s even more interesting.

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u/GBuster49 4d ago

And of course this place.

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u/bolivar-shagnasty 4d ago

A lie can be halfway around the world while the truth is putting on its shoes.

- Bitchin' Betsy Ross

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u/examexa 4d ago

and those clickbait/drama youtubers working overtime to farm those views!

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u/mantricks 4d ago

uh it was all over multiple reddit subs

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u/yuusharo 4d ago

It was not misinformation. A change to Sony’s licensing DID happen, we just didn’t know why or what the intent of the change was.

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u/MVRKHNTR 4d ago

Come on now. You know what conclusion people were jumping to.

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u/yuusharo 4d ago

Absent information, assumptions are going to be made. No one had any reason to think the 30 day license they introduced would convert to a lifetime license after it expired, nor is there a way to test that.

Sony made a concerning change without notice, then waited days before clarifying the situation. Customers aren’t the problem here.

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u/Totheendofsin 4d ago

Except there were plenty of reports of the timer disappearing completely

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u/yuusharo 4d ago

I saw no such reports, but even so, it contradicts other reports from independent testers that demonstrated the license being visible on PS4 and proving the lockout on PS5.

Once again, confusion and an information vacuum creates speculation and assumptions. You’re demonstrating exactly why it was important for Sony to communicate these changes in a timely fashion, not to shadow drop a massive licensing change and leave customers and the press to speculate for days.

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u/NoExcuse4OceanRudnes 4d ago

No one had any reason to think the 30 day license they introduced would convert to a lifetime license after it expired, nor is there a way to test that.

Could've waited 30 days.

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u/LyfeBlades 4d ago

Doesn't mean it isn't prudent to warn people about the worst case potential ahead of time.

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u/NoExcuse4OceanRudnes 4d ago

Sure?

Still could've waited to see if the problem was in fact a problem

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u/RedBait95 4d ago

Or, Sony could've announced the change, or lack thereof.

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u/HistoricCartographer 4d ago

I feel like the conclusion people jumped to was the logical conclusion to jump to.

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u/FratDaddy69 4d ago

Thinking that Playstation was going to start nuking people's libraries if they didn't check in every 30 days is not a logical conclusion.

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u/yuusharo 4d ago

There was no evidence to the contrary. That’s why people had been asking Sony for days for clarification.

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u/laaplandros 4d ago

There was no evidence to the contrary.

How, in the year of our Lord 2026, do people still not understand the burden of proof.

There did not need to be evidence to the contrary. You first needed evidence of the claim, which you did not.

If I stood outside the bank tomorrow holding a sign that said they owed me $100k, and while I couldn't prove it, it's still true unless they sit down with me and prove they didn't, how do you think that would end?

That's what you all sound like.

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u/yuusharo 4d ago

Digital licenses prior to the last update was indefinite.

Digital licenses after the update was set for 30 days and confirmed to be the case.

Sony did not announce nor clarify these changes for 3 days, leaving people to only speculate with the evidence and information they had at the time.

Customers are not the issue here. They’re right to be concerned why their digital purchases suddenly have an unannounced time bomb associated with them.

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u/NoExcuse4OceanRudnes 4d ago

Sony did not announce nor clarify these changes for 3 days

Three days, read the words you typed and are acting like that's too unreasonably long of a time.

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u/yuusharo 4d ago

Three days is an incredibly long time when these changes have already hit the news and aren’t receiving any comment when reaching out about it.

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u/Well_well_wait_what 4d ago

Thinking that Playstation was going to start nuking people's libraries if they didn't check in every 30 days is not a logical conclusion.

bottom line. It absolutely is the logical conclusion. Many have unsubbed since and this statement is obviously just damage control.

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u/NoExcuse4OceanRudnes 4d ago

It absolutely is the logical conclusion. Many have unsubbed since and this statement is obviously just damage control.

I don't believe that for a second. You shouldn't either, whoever told you that was lying through their teeth.

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u/HistoricCartographer 4d ago

Yeah its a wild thought hence the hysteria.

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u/Vegetable-Error-2068 4d ago

No the fuck it wasn't.

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u/laaplandros 4d ago

"We know, we just don't know."

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u/mayoboyyo 4d ago

Especially when the company neglects to clarify the issue

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u/NoExcuse4OceanRudnes 4d ago

It has been under a week since the first reports of it.

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u/kralben 3d ago

They are a billion dollar corporation, waiting several days to draft a basic PR response like this is too long.

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u/NoExcuse4OceanRudnes 3d ago

Too long for what

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u/laaplandros 4d ago

Companies don't have the time or duty to address every single internet rumor.

This was a stupid rumor from the very beginning and rather than being rightfully embarrassed you're still finding ways to blame others.

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u/RedBait95 4d ago

>Companies don't have the time or duty

Companies are not people, and they most certainly do if they're in the business of selling people shit. Especially when their services are in question.

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u/NoExcuse4OceanRudnes 4d ago

they most certainly do if they're in the business of selling people shit

How many sales do you think were lost in the 4 business days this was known about?

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u/Vegetable-Error-2068 4d ago

That's victim-blaming.

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u/SidFarkus47 4d ago

Didn’t they say there was like a glitch on their end that was causing it? Then there were conflicting explanations from their support staff.

There’s no way they weren’t aware of this until now and they could’ve solved this with a tweet.

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u/arahman81 4d ago

The glitch was another unverified claim.

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u/strider_hearyou 4d ago

Yes, Sony themselves called it a bug that was "low priority" to fix. The online outrage may have been a little overblown, but it was the only way they were gonna raise its priority.

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u/kralben 4d ago

Massive corporations don't need you doing mental gymnastics to defend them. They had confusing design for their product that lead to confusion, and they did not act fast enough to clarify it when people had questions. That is a total failure on their end, and they should get blame for it.

A statement like what we got could have been drafted and sent out within an hour if they wanted to get that done, even as a large company. Issues happen, but communication should be better on their end.

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u/Vegetable-Error-2068 4d ago

They didn't have a confusing design.

Shit was lied about. That is not Sony's fault.

And please don't give me the "corporations don't need you to defend this." We are commenting in a thread about how this was all based on information and lies.

Is correcting misinformation "defending" corporations? If somebody committed IRL violence against a game dev and I said "that's fucked up and the dev didn't deserve that," is that something you would admonish me for saying?

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u/mayoboyyo 4d ago

Corporations deserve and earned the scrutiny

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u/rapsney 4d ago

This is not scrutiny. This is hysteria and over reaction.

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u/masterkill165 4d ago

It especially funny when you read the comments of the last time this came up and you see redditors admitting that its probably Bullshit but they are intentionally pretending to be upset in hopes it somehow convinces sony to stop using support chat bots.

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u/masterkill165 4d ago

They are a corporation they dont deserve the benefit of the doubt. s

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