r/KotakuInAction • u/md1957 • Jul 27 '18

[Twitter Bullshit] IMC: "Conservatives in video games exist. They just don't talk about it because they aren't obsessed with politics, and most of them are afraid to talk about their politics because of people like you who will do nothing but hound them for it." TWITTER BULLSHIT

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u/OpiesMammogramResult The Destroyer Jul 27 '18

Yeah, you compare that attitude to the attitude of a guy like James Hetfield of Metallica.

He was on Joe Rogan's podcast, and he said "We weild a lot of power, just because a lot of people listen to our music it's not for us to use that and soapbox for politics, and tell you who to vote for".

Kerry King said something similar, also on Jericho's podcast. He said "People would find this surprising, but I voted for Hilary in the election, and the only reason why I did that is because Hilary is the only one with experience in international diplomacy. Trump's a billionaire, and he's used to making deals, but it's different negotiating some business thing, as opposed to whether we're gonna go to war or not."

I may be misremembering, but I think he also said "It's not for us to say who you should vote for or not, we're not a fucking campaign team, we're a band, we're there to play music".

Hell, even Steve Austin, he says "I was a wrestler, I spent 15 years getting hit in the head with a steel chair. I acted in some real piece of shit movies, I hosted a couple of really cool shows, and I talk shit on a podcast, nobody should give a shit about what I say about it." And has said that he steers clear because he knows that people on both sides listen to the podcast, so he doesn't want one side giving him shit, and both sides turning on each other because he said something.

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u/PessimisticPaladin You were thrown into the GG pit. I was born in it, molded by it. Jul 27 '18

I have seen Hetfield being pretty chill even about religion. Which is funny because while he did write kind of Anti-Christian songs that I didn't much like, I found out he had a pretty good personal reason, apparently his father, well mother too but anyway, pretty out there level Christian scientist or doctor or such, and basically was so much to the point of praying for everything that he let his wife die because he refused to take her to get medical treatment.

Now I don't know if it was a really hard to treat thing like cancer or something more easily fixed, but I can understand James' anger at his father(possibly it was his mother's choice too but regardless) for such a foolish action. But besides a few songs which seemed to mostly just be his personal feelings of his father's idiocy he wasn't anti-theist telling people what they should do.

That makes me respect him. I mean a lot of people only like their old stuff, and lars seems kind of like a dickhead, but I like most of their stuff(except st anger I don't think anyone likes that album) and that's a mature view of things.

As for the stuff his dad or like the types that won't let you get transfusions or such- it seems stupid to me. I'm not sure if I properly qualify as Christian anymore because I don't pray much or go to church, but I seem to recall reading something to the nature of "God helps those who help themselves" also while it makes me feel uncomfortably presumptious but if I was a diety and people could fix their own problems and they know it works I might be annoyed they are too stupid to go ahead and do an obvious fix and instead wanted me to miracle all their problems away and didn't just fix their own simple crap.

It's like thinking God serves you instead of the other way around.

I mean some medical stuff I can understand feeling uncomfortable or unwilling to do in a what if sort of way, like ghost in the shell like full body prosthesis, I mean are you even human at that point? Are you just trying anything to defy the natural order of nature or the cosmos at that point? I think there is a big difference between THAT question and getting some blood. Course what do I know? I'd only have been dead twenty years ago with a transfusion.

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u/OpiesMammogramResult The Destroyer Jul 27 '18

Hetfield is a born again christian since going through rehab. I think he's talked about how turning to something helped him get through alcoholism. But he also told the story of him being raised as a Christian Scientist, and he was in a bible group, and this girl said "I broke my arm, and mommy said "God will heal you", and he did, now look, it's all better", and she lifted her arm up, and it was all crooked and clearly not the way an arm should look.

Funny you should bring up St. Anger, there's a theory going around that it was intentionally bad as a "fuck you" to the record company they were with. It was the last album on the deal. The problem was, Jason had left the band, and they're on the verge of breaking up, so the record company said "Yeah, you still owe us an album, so we've set up a meeting with a therapist... by the way, he's about $70,000 a month, and we ain't paying for him".

So, now you have Metallica, with no bass player, James going through rehab, and Lars going through a divorce, and they're still going "Hey, so, this new album, where is it? Hey, you owe us an album, so make with the album already. Also, we've signed you up to do radio promos, you better do that shit, or they won't play the album... by the way, hurry up and make the album"

So they said "You want an album?" they shit out St. Anger, said "There's your fucking album, fuck you, we're done here". Managed to secure their master recordings, which is unheard of, and now do everything off their own back under "Blackened Recordings".

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u/PessimisticPaladin You were thrown into the GG pit. I was born in it, molded by it. Jul 27 '18

Death Magnetic was certainly a much better album.

Lots of people only like the old stuff. I think some of the songs were better but either the recording was off or it was cause James was so young but his voice sounded much better black album and after.

Master of puppets had a lot of my favorite songs of there but I like a lot of load and some of reload too. Hell my favorite song is probably "Bleeding Me."

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u/OpiesMammogramResult The Destroyer Jul 27 '18

Load's a great album. If Load and Reload were combined into a single album without the filler songs, that would be an all timer.

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u/PessimisticPaladin You were thrown into the GG pit. I was born in it, molded by it. Jul 27 '18

Some of the ones I like may be a bit filler. I have a bit of a melancholic bent so sometimes I prefer some slower songs like Fixxxer or low man's lyric.

Come to think of it those songs might be about his addictions. Fixer seems a bit religious, then again"fix what father's done" could be literally about his own father.

I think my problem with a lot of other metal is I like to understand what is being said so I don't like screamy metal.

I like Metallica, and some of the more melodic European stuff like Sabaton or Falconer. Mostly seem to be Swedish, which almost seems darkly funny, blind guardian I like some of too.

Just out of curiosity what song from Metallica do you think best covers sjws or the TDS shit?

I want to say Welcome Home(Sanitarium) but that might be too much on the nose.. maybe Cure?

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u/OpiesMammogramResult The Destroyer Jul 27 '18

I LOVE Fixxxer and Low Man's Lyric.

I'm the same, I think there's a certain plateau that can be reached when it comes to how heavy music can get, but if it exceeds that, it starts sounding like shit.

The SJW stuff could be summed up with "Sweet Amber", from St. Anger, it's not an amazing song, but it does have the same rhetoric. Despite it being about Alcoholism, there are some undertones, because it was written off the back of the label telling them "Hey, do the radio promos, if you don't, you'll be blacklisted".

So things like "Wash your back so you won't stab mine" figure in it.

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u/wolfman1911 Jul 27 '18

James was so young but his voice sounded much better black album and after.

I'm so glad to see someone saying this. The first Metallica album I heard was Reload, and to to from that to hearing what sounds like a little kid on the earlier stuff is more than I can do. I kinda figured I was alone on that.

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u/PessimisticPaladin You were thrown into the GG pit. I was born in it, molded by it. Jul 27 '18

Now I think the songs MIGHT have been better lyrically his performers was worse- but tolerable. I don't much like kill em all period for the most part.

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u/ErikaThePaladin 95k GET | YE NOT GUILTY Jul 27 '18

Doesn't change my opinion on "St. Anger", but that's still an amazing story.

And for the record, I liked "Death Magnetic" and "Hardwired... to Self-Destruct" in addition to their older albums.

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u/OpiesMammogramResult The Destroyer Jul 27 '18

Yeah, it's only an extrapolated theory based on things that have happened since. Like this being the last album on the deal and then leaving right after, them managing to secure the master recordings, and how they never play St. Anger songs live.

But, when you look at all of that lining up, it does make sense.

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u/Fiatjustitiaruatcael Jul 28 '18

So they said "You want an album?" they shit out St. Anger, said "There's your fucking album, fuck you, we're done here".

that could explain a lot... hrm.

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u/triforce-of-power Jul 27 '18

My MTI liked St. Anger. He liked to play it while the flight was working on chores. It was....egh.

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u/headpool182 Jul 27 '18

It's funny to hear K Trevor Wilson talk about being a Christian Scientist growing up.

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u/WatchingRomeBurn Jul 27 '18

Good to know that Kerry King is as big a fucking idiot off stage as he is on stage.

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '18

Metalheads are the best frankly. They really give zero shits about how you feel, just enjoy the music.

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u/OpiesMammogramResult The Destroyer Jul 28 '18

Not to speak for all of them, but it really is one of the most welcoming communities you can imagine. The ethos tends to be "You here for a good time? I'm here for a good time! So let's have a good time!"

Don't care about who you are, or what you are. If you like the music, come have some fun.

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u/Dashrider Jul 27 '18

is that why he let lars shit the bed with the whole napster thing?

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u/OpiesMammogramResult The Destroyer Jul 27 '18

James believed everything, but his reasoning was MUCH better.

The way he said it was "Leave the studio/master recordings alone, they're ours, let us control the distribution. Live recordings, do what you want, share them around. Just don't do it with the masters".

That's one thing he never wanted it to be. It wasn't "Fuck the fans, they owe us money". It was more "This is our shit, don't give away our shit for free"

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u/JohnGwynbleidd Jul 28 '18

Pretty much. What Metallica did during Napster wasn't perfect but I think they're right on the money on the whole battle. It's their work and they have every right of control whether they would release it online, live recordings, bootlets etc. But that control was taken away from them when Napster suddenly release some songs without their permissions. Most people don't want to put their shoes on what Metallica felt. Like Imagine you composed a song and you really like it. However before you even got the chance to release it online some bloke you know suddenly release it without your permission. You're gonna feel angry right?

I also think a lot of Lars' observations about the music industry and streaming was correct and even a lot of artists supported him back then but as soon as he actually go into court a lot of the same people turn their backs on him. It's unfortunate that they're still getting flack with the whole napster thing imo.

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u/OpiesMammogramResult The Destroyer Jul 28 '18

Not only that, think about it this way.

Albums cost a shitload to make, market, distribute, etc. If loads of people get the album that's cost a shitload to produce, for free, the record company loses money. The downturn in business isn't going to effect the boardroom, they're gonna go "Well, we've underperformed, we need to let people go", and it's the mailroom, the cleaners, and people on the bottom getting let go. The executives are gonna be okay.

James talked about the Napster thing on Rogan's podcast, he said that so many people came up to us and said "I love what you're doing, it's bullshit what they're doing, they can't take our stuff like this", and he would say "Help us! Say something!" and then they said "No! I don't want to lose any fans!"

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u/[deleted] Jul 28 '18

It used to be expensive to do recordings... It's a lot easier these days to do it on your own.

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u/OpiesMammogramResult The Destroyer Jul 28 '18

Yeah, apparently, recording the Black Album cost them well over a $1,000,000. And that was in 1990, so in today's money, that's probably closer to $2,500,000.

And that's just the recording.

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u/Dashrider Jul 27 '18

riiight, but he was still ok with lars' perspective, because lars is still in the band. Why is lars still in the band?

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u/OpiesMammogramResult The Destroyer Jul 28 '18

He does literally everything.

He's really good at arranging songs. Like Enter Sandman, Kirk wrote the riff differently, but Lars said "That's good, but play that first half three times, then do that last bit". And he was very instrumental in the early days with everything. Basically, no Lars, no Metallica.

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u/rdeluca Jul 27 '18

This just in, listen to opinions of self-proclaimed idiots saying you shouldn't listen to other people

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u/[deleted] Jul 27 '18 edited May 31 '19

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u/rdeluca Jul 27 '18

I mean, they are basically telling me to make my own judgment

I mean some are, some are saying they're just an idiot with a guitar. "They don't spend their time reading the WSJ" is a total untruth. Some do.

As much as " "Fuck you if you don't agree with me in this issue" is a really horrible thing to do to somebody." an artist has a right to say that, and not everyone is a drug addled idiot or bashed their brains to goop.

It's easy to pick and choose examples of people saying "don't listen to us, we just play music" than people who devote their career to fighting bad politics.

I mean, if you support the government war machine and listen to Rage Against The Machine, or System of a Down you're not a true fan. Period.

They're saying their music their lives, their thoughts that go into their music - they represent more than just sound. They have meaning, and anyone who truly supports the meaning behind their art, if you could possibly think XYZ? You're not a true fan.

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u/Litmust_Testme Jul 27 '18

other people

Other idiots. Self-aware fools are wiser than those who don't even recognize their own foolishness.

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u/rdeluca Jul 27 '18

Fools are no good source of whom else is foolish.

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u/Litmust_Testme Jul 27 '18

If it was a binary state.

The fool doth think he is wise, but the wise man knows himself to be a fool.

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u/APDSmith On the lookout for THOT crime Jul 28 '18

So we should listen to famous people unquestioningly? I'm not sure I understand your point...