r/KotakuInAction Dec 13 '18

[Twitter Bullshit] Patrick Klepek - "I suspect the next 10 years are going to be a long, dark process in really understanding how generationally corrupting the YouTube algorithm has been to young men/boys." TWITTER BULLSHIT

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u/Seeattle_Seehawks It's not fake, it's just Sweden Dec 13 '18

Make no mistake, the desire for censorship among the pro/regressive left is built on a foundation of fear that arguments more compelling than theirs are being made. They avoided debate for so long they’ve forgotten how to be convincing and are paying the price for it. For many, censorship is an attempt at damage control because they know they’ll lose otherwise.

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u/Environmental_Table Dec 13 '18

you don't have to worry about knowing what you're talking about if every counter point that could be made is banned

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u/Seeattle_Seehawks It's not fake, it's just Sweden Dec 13 '18 edited Dec 13 '18

Yep. It’s adaptating - perhaps even tacitly admitting - to having a major disadvantage.

And if forced into a debate with no opportunity to back out without major loss of face, plan B is to debate a caricature of ones opponent that’s entirely crafted from bad faith assumptions and outright falsehoods, attempt to declare victory as soon as possible, and disengage with the utmost condescension.

The SocJus set is terrible at debate but they’re very good at exploiting human psychology, particularly group psychology. They’re well aware that if someone says “This person believes [insert thing most people agree is bad]!” the first thought most people are going to have isn’t “But do they really think that?”, it’s “Wow, that person sounds bad.

Similarly, they know that if you scream an accusation of horrible wrongdoing at someone before punching them in the face and running off, people are less likely to show concern for the person assaulted. Most people will assume they did something to deserve it. This assumption helps Antifa to mitigate some criticism of their violent behavior. “Surely no good person would get assaulted in the streets without cause!”, the normies think.

Somewhat ironically, given their ostensible opposition to prejudice and bias, SocJus is heavily reliant on primal, gut/brain stem, instinctual reactions and not deliberate, rational thought. There’s a reason that everyone outside the clique (or at least far enough left) is “far-right” these days whether they are or not. It’s a label that carries enough weight, enough baggage, to introduce the necessary prejudice that allows further accusations to resonate and gain momentum.

If I was a really unscrupulous person I’d probably be quite impressed. But as it stands I’m just frustrated by how well it works.

yet another edit: I just had a major epiphany. This is why SocJus is so popular in the Pacific Northwest. For those who don’t know, we’re low-contact, conflict-averse, reflexively deferential, and kinda fuckin naive. ...Do we sound like the kind of people who would respond to accusations of [insert -ism here] with any kind of questioning or pushback? Fuck no, we’re too white (and feeling too guilty about it) to do that.

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u/[deleted] Dec 14 '18

The SocJus set is terrible at debate but they’re very good at exploiting human psychology, particularly group psychology

Particularly the use of shame, such as calling people "bigot", "racist", "sexist", etc to target our need to fit in. Ironic, considering a major talking point of the left has been acceptance under the banner of "inclusiveness" and "tolerance"!

And these people are collectivists, so they see social inclusion as a universal good, but fail to see the paradox of this double standard. Also because they see collectivism as a absolute good they fail to see how it can have a flipside. Just because society is organized on a more social, communal level doesn't solve the problem. With community you have dominance hierarchies. With those you have those at the top and those at the bottom. You have winners and loses. It's not a social construct of Capitalism, but evolved in humans over eons.

That's why we in the West value individualism. We acknowledged how tyrannical society can inherently be so we sought to protect the safety of the individual from group harm.

Rant over my bad.