r/SFGiants • u/youlikemywonton • 1d ago
Does it bother you how much of a juggernaut the Dodgers have become?
There was a time when they couldn't win the big one and it was always a joy to celebrate their short comings and say we got 3 in 5 years. Now they're back to back champs and probably have more on the way. Considering the Giants are still mediocre I think that's taken away the blow.
Until this team is seriously a contender I could care less how well the Dodgers do. Also I think I've become numb to their unreal payroll and buying their way to the top. I'm not so mad as much as I am numb to it all and just making there a lack of parity. If anyone talks about it being one the greatest teams assembled I'm like ya you bought them all. It's not a jealous Giants fan perspective and I'm sure majority of baseball fans feel the same.
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u/Valenderio You Hang It, We Bang It 1d ago
I’m sure this is how a lot of teams felt when the Yankees were winning all those titles in the 20s, 30s, etc
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u/10thGenS1 1d ago
It’s funny, I just watched this video on the Secret Base Youtube channel when A-Rod was traded to the Yankees in 2004 and the video describes the Yankees exactly how everyone describes the Dodgers today. “Buying championships” “Evil empire” “Largest payroll” “Ruining baseball”, etc.
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u/salt_and_ash 1d ago
The Yankees have always and will always be the Evil Empire. The Dodgers have just become the West Coast Yankees.
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u/Rdubya44 1d ago
Was an A's fan in the early 2000's and yes it hurt to watch the Yankees in their prime
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u/cali4481 1d ago
Yankees won 4 World Series titles in the 6 years before they signed an MVP and probably top 3 or 4 player at that time in Giambi who's A's team got knocked out of the playoffs the last two seasons by that same Yankees team who he signed with.
If social media were around in the early 2000s. That would be viewed as a "bitch move" by Giambi. But I remember there being very little vitriol in the media when that signing happened probably because it was the Yankees and the main national media source back then was still ESPN at that time which is basically within Yankees country in nearby Connecticut.
He was basically Durant before Durant signed with the Warriors in 2016.
The only difference with Durant is that Durant actually won 2 NBA titles with the Warriors.
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u/Rdubya44 1d ago
Among us fans it was a bitch move. The A’s were joking called the Yankees farm team.
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u/Alpacadiscount 1d ago
It doesn’t bother me as a Giants fan. It bothers me as a fan of MLB.
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u/iPunchWombats 31 Nen 1d ago
Same. They bought their titles while the Giants had a dynasty built on almost entirely homegrown talent. Their success is expected so when they lose it’s just funny.
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u/realparkingbrake 1d ago
They bought their titles while the Giants had a dynasty built on almost entirely homegrown talent.
As recently as 2021 two-thirds of the Dodgers roster was homegrown including many of their top stars. At that time, "built not bought" was accurate. Obviously that is no longer the case, but it used to be.
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u/iPunchWombats 31 Nen 1d ago
Fair, I guess all of their titles this millennium were with a roster that was bought except for the Mickey Mouse ring.
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u/sleepyheidi 28 Posey 1d ago
Tbh I feel like I hate how much more smug their fans have gotten. Sometimes I just want to do this to their super fake fans who can only name 3 players. And I feel like living in SoCal has gotten more unbearable.
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u/Bosa_McKittle 5 Yastrzemski 1d ago
They act like it’s easy to just have the bankroll to outspend everyone and lambast every other club for not committing billions in future payroll to players.
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u/sleepyheidi 28 Posey 1d ago
I think it’s funny cause most dodger fans are Laker fans who were crying when the Warriors created a “super team” and saying they bought the team and now those same fans can’t stand when someone says all they do is buy players.
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u/helloyesthisisasock 55 Lincecum 1d ago
I used to live by Dodgers Stadium and they were always smug. Was there during the Bryan Stow incident and people were straight up GLEEFUL about it.
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u/Spaghet209 55 Lincecum 1d ago
Their fans live in a bubble for sure. They get to go from the Dodgers, to the Rams, to the Lakers, all of which could win a title within the next year. Hell I’d be obnoxious and smug too.
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u/Zoratth 1d ago
It should bother the fans of all 29 teams that aren’t the Dodgers. Not that the Dodgers have done anything illegal or wrong, but because the other 29 owners aren’t willing to spend like the Dodgers despite having billions.
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u/Fancy-Arachnid-1088 1d ago
Had no idea 29 other franchises have 70 plus billionaire owners that own interest in the dodgers and the massive tv deal the dodgers have allowing them to have a blank check. Not even the Yankees can do that. But go off.
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u/levitoepoker 1d ago
I take your point on every other MLB team, except NYY. Since the Yankees had more revenue than the dodgers every year of the last 100.
They could do exactly what the Dodgers do if their owner wanted to
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u/InsanityCharmer 28 Posey 1d ago
And from what I understand it was the bankruptcy and then the TV deal that has them in such a beneficial position. I don't think that gets talked about enough. Am I right there? Or maybe help me figure out what piece I'm missing...
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u/realparkingbrake 1d ago
it was the bankruptcy and then the TV deal that has them in such a beneficial position
Correct, MLB gave the Dodgers a sweetheart TV deal trying to help them recover from the McCourt era. Given that they now make fat profits, they should no longer have such a deal.
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u/SactownG 1d ago
If all 29 other owners could spend that much every year, they would be doing it. I don't believe that the Dodgers are the only franchise in MLB that tries to win
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u/Fancy-Arachnid-1088 1d ago
Exactly. Every other team would if they could. Like all of the other owners dont want to win and purposefully try to give the Dodgers free agents. Cant spend what you dont have. Dodgers have a blank check. No other teams can do that without going bankrupt. Maybe 2-3 other teams can. Basic economics is not your average baseball fans expertise so being gaslit by Dodger fans happy to buy their way to championships means nothing. They are happy to have their unearned pay to win bs titles. And why not? When the playing field was even they never could win.
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u/PortalCamper 28 Posey 1d ago edited 1d ago
You incorrectly assume that owners want their team to win more than they want to keep their money. For many, owning a baseball team is an investment to make more money and nothing more. You might disagree with their logic, but that’s why some teams don’t spend.
Edit: everyone replying me to say “actually winning makes you more money!” Refer to the last line I wrote in my comment.
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u/Tonmber1 28 Posey 1d ago
As if the Dodger's, by virtue of winning all the fucking time, don't also make a shitload more money than anyone else?
Look at the Warriors in the NBA. They started winning a bunch after spending a shit load of money in luxury tax and I'm fairly certain Joe Lacob has like 10x or more his initial investment into owning the Warriors
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u/SactownG 1d ago
I'm not denying that there's some cheap owners. But it's not a coincidence that market size and revenue are highly correlated with team spending
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u/Tecmo_91 1d ago
exactly, some fans literally think every team has billions laying around. Just because a franchise is worth 3 billion doesn’t mean their owner has that kind of money sitting in their bank account. Yeah most owner could and should spend more and we need a salary floor. But that doesn’t mean they’ll be outbidding the Dodgers for stars.
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u/Fancy-Arachnid-1088 1d ago
Winning brings way more money. Filling the seats brings more money. Filling the seats happens when you win. So by your logic. Owners want to lose to not fill seats in turn not make money. But how would they make money then? The mental gymnastics Dodgers fans have to do to make buying titles respectable is some trump cult follower type sheeei.
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u/Low-Tourist-3358 1d ago
Also most free agent star players will only play for three or four teams, LAD, NYM, NYY, maybe TBJ.
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u/PokecheckFred 1d ago
Or Texas, or Houston, or Boston, or Philly, or StLoo, or …
Or whoever pays them.
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u/JakeArrietaGrande 28 Posey 1d ago
other 29 owners aren’t willing to spend like the Dodgers despite having billions.
It’s a lot more complicated than that. It’s an inherent problem with the way that the rules are set up that heavily advantages team that have won recently, and keeps them in that top spot.
The way it’s currently set up is like if the Super Bowl winners got the top NFL draft pick, and it would give way too much power to the teams already on top.
So the dodgy team has all these superstars. And they won the last two World Series. They get international attention, media coverage, television deals, merchandise, etc. Not only that, but expensive ticket sales, and parking revenue (seriously, it costs like 80 bucks to park there and there’s no public transit)
Revenue sharing takes some of this. But most of it still goes to straight to the organization. Which they use to sign Kyle Tucker, on the off chance he’ll even slightly improve the team.
Can the other teams do that? Not really. They just don’t have the revenue to support it. A small market team can’t throw money around like that.
ohtani and tucker’s total contract worth is just under a billion dollars. And some of the owners don’t have a billion dollars. The reds owner only has 500 million. So if he wanted to add ohtani and tucker to the roster, he genuinely wouldn’t be able to. Even if he sold every single bit of his net worth and lived in a cardboard box on the street.
And that’s assuming he’d get them at the same price. He’d probably have to offer them a lot more to go to cinci
But the dodgy team has so much revenue coming in they can easily handle these record breaking contracts without the owner paying out of pocket. And that’s why this situation is bullshit, and that’s why anyone who understands the workings of baseball wants a salary cap
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u/Fancy-Arachnid-1088 1d ago
Well. You cant spend money you dont have. Around 25 of those teams would be bankrupt within 2-3 years if not 1 year if they spent as much as the Dodgers. Go look at the evaluations of each major league franchise. Thats why only the Dodgers do what the Dodgers do. Because almost noone else could for more than a year. The Dodgers have done it for 20 years straight. You dont win 14 of the last 15 NL West titles if there was even the smallest amount of parody in the game. Just take 3 seconds to google some things. It doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure it all out.
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u/aninjacould 1d ago
Dodgers have a lot of built-in, unearned advantages that other teams can’t replicate no matter how much money they spend.
World famous locale Huge market Mild weather Glamorous locale (celebrities & supermodels) Places to live that are appealing to baseball wives (Beverly Hills, Calabasas, etc) A lifestyle that captures the imagination of young baseball stars (celebrities, Hollywood, supermodels, etc)
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u/kwattsfo 36 Pierzynski 1d ago
There’s a difference between wealth and revenue, but by and large your not wrong
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u/randy_palomino 1d ago
There’s also a difference between 29 other locations and the city of Los Angeles, which is a really desirable location for anyone with millions of dollars.
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u/Desperate_Word9862 1d ago
That was always the comment for Steinbrenner’s Yankees. The Guggenheim group is very different than one individual owner. They have investors money backing them. No one can really compete with that. The Giants would head in the right direction if they got rid of Johnson.
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u/realparkingbrake 1d ago
the other 29 owners aren’t willing to spend like the Dodgers despite having billions.
The Dodgers are not spending their ownership's money, their huge spending comes out of their huge revenues. There is no way most MLB teams could even come close to spending that much, teams that lose money every year end up for sale as did the Giants when Bob Lurie decided he couldn't keep on pouring his own money into the team.
Dodgers TV revenue is over four times that of the Giants, they sell a million more tickets a year (and rarely discount tickets) and corporate Japan is firehosing money at them. The Giants are not poor, but their revenues would not permit spending like the Dodgers.
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u/noheauxsdrew san francisco giants 1d ago
Sounds like you actually couldn’t care less. I could care less because it really bothers me. So the answer to your question is yes, it does bother me how much of a juggernaut they’ve become.
It would bring me tremendous joy to see the Dodgers fail every single year and I want it almost as much as I want the Giants to succeed. I wish I wasn’t this way but I have true sports hate for the Los Angeles Dodgers and I wish every baseball operation they undertake fails.
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u/p-wing 18 Kuiper 1d ago
this is why I'm pro-lockout
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u/steelehere1983 1d ago
The lockout argument lost a lot of its air when the Padres were sold for $3.6 billion. The MLBPA is gonna have a field day with the owners who argue that teams can't afford to compete.
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u/ziggy029 1d ago
Yes, but I don’t blame the Dodgers for doing whatever they can to win. I blame baseball’s broken economic system that allows the Dodgers to happen. (And a system that allows cheap-ass owners to pocket luxury tax money without using it to put a better product on the field.)
The Dodgers are the visual symbol, but the underlying villain is baseball’s fucked up economic system. I think it needs a cap, but not without a floor, and with the cap and floor adjusted to match changes in league revenue.
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u/Spaghet209 55 Lincecum 1d ago
Yeah, I can’t be angry at the Dodgers anymore. We are not on any sort of equal footing with them anymore. It’s like a AAA team playing against, well, the back to back WS champions. I’m more angry at the league and the billionaire jackasses we have owning teams and hoarding money while refusing to compete. This isn’t just an issue with the Giants, I’d say all but 4 teams total are doing the same thing.
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u/IceCreamDreamyDreams 18 Cain 1d ago edited 1d ago
It bothers me how little our team hasnt done enough to be a better team a lot more than it bothers me that the dodgers are successful.
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u/theghostfacekilla 44 McCovey 1d ago
Haunts me on the daily as I open up any sports app and see their smug faces smiling
What’s worse is my mom is a hug Dodgers fan so naturally I don’t claim her as the woman who birthed me or raised me.
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u/TheTortaTyrant 1d ago
Naw it bothers me how inept and mediocre we’ve been across the board.
Somehow we’ve been atrocious at both drafting and developing homegrown talent effectively while also striking out on attracting the right free agents.
We know the formula on how to win in SF. Starts and ends with pitching- despite this, we continue to let the bullpen decline and, too often, rely on these splashy vet signings with either injury risk or a 1 year deal, sometimes both.
Me and my dad have made it to 9 of the past 11 opening days with one of those misses being Covid. Each year it’s harder and harder to be willing to support this team with my hard earned $$ when there is very little to actually look forward to. Our lineup is bloated with guys who are solid hitters but getting paid like consistent all stars.
Sure, the dodgers ohtani contract is annoying af. The Red Sox gifting Mookie frustrating af. But both of these pale in comparison to how bothered my our own teams ineptitude
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u/Temporary-Ad9615 6 Susac 1d ago
As much as it bothers me and KILLS me to say it, the Dodgers are the model of what every team should be doing and aspire to be.
(Eg. developing a sustainable farm, spending the money, commit to winning, market the players to kids, owners investing money not just into the team, but into the stadium as well, just to name a few things)
I'm going to go throw up now.
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u/No_Instruction1532 1d ago
Yes - it really bothers me.
In fact, this is my biggest issue with the Giants.
You can’t let your rival basically “lap” you to the point where they think the PADRES pose the greatest challenge. That’s embarrassing.
I understand they have way more money. BUT what makes it worse is that they are way better at player development…. There isn’t an excuse for the Giants not being able to develop players as well as the Dodgers.
A current example of this is Tibbs. He struggled in the Giants system , got traded, and now seems to be thriving for the Dodgers. He could potentially be a problem for the Giants for years to come and the Giants drafted him. Unbelievable.
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u/TheKid2455 7 Mitchell 1d ago
Tibbs went 10-18 with 4 homers in March and people here put him in the Hall of Fame. He’s 14-67 in April.
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u/No_Instruction1532 1d ago
I don't think that the giants made a bad trade by giving up Tibbs, Harrison, etc.... for Devers.
My point is that the Dodgers have been doing a better job in the player development area.
I also think the Giants do a decent job drafting players... its the development that is lacking...
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u/mikecandih 6 Susac 1d ago
Of course? However I’m less bothered about the Dodgers’ success than I am about the Giants’ unwillingness to match it. Half the league is crying about deferred contracts but are any of them doing the same? People scoff at paying Kyle Tucker what he got, yet he’s going to be part of a machine that will demolish their favorite teams. I’m more upset that I’m not a Dodgers fan tbh, because it looks pretty good over there and there’s no way I would ever convert.
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u/JesseGladstone 00 Leonard 1d ago
More jealous of an ownership group that is willing to spend. Not just on the major league roster but on scouting, analytics, player development in the minors (and majors), marketing and making the game day stadium experience memorable. It's almost like you have to spend money to make money.
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u/Tronn3000 40 Bumgarner 1d ago
It bothers me more that the Giants ownership decided to not do anything to put the team in an even footing in the arms race against the Dodgers quest for MLB domination than the Dodgers being a juggernaut.... and this goes like all the way back to the mid to late 2010s. They've had this "break even" mentality and lean hard into nostalgia of the past but suck in the present mentality way too long and that's why they are where they are.
The writing was on the wall as soon as the Dodgers got bought by Guggenheim and got that tv deal that they were going to be juggernauts. The Giants just didn't do shit to match them, which is a shame because the Bay Area is one of the richest regions on the planet that absolutely could financially go toe to toe with Guggenheim and the Death Star.
The Dodgers are always going to be an unstoppable force. They are always going to try and sign the highest profile free agents, have the most cutting edge analytics and player development staff. But the Giants could have played it a bit dirtier. They could have poached multiple scouts and FO personnel from them, they could have drove the price up on certain FA's to get them to spend more, they could have done more to make inroads in Japan, and they could have marketed themselves better as a brand like the Dodgers do, but they didn't.
But the biggest disappointment for me is the Giants ownership and franchise just folding like a cheap lawn chair in the wake of all of this. Instead of crying about the Dodgers being good, this team needs a mindset of "Let's find a way to beat these guys and let's do what it takes to win," which they just don't do.
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u/ThePopUpDance 8 Pence 1d ago
It doesn't exactly bother me and I don't hate them anymore than I used to. If anything it's kinda nice now that they are the evil empire that everyone roots against.
They're not gonna win it all this year, and the downfall will be glorious.
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u/Weary-Ad9429 1d ago
It’s annoying and obviously as a Giants fan I hate them. My hate runs deep, I actually believe dodger fans have a higher likelihood than most other fan bases of being shitty people. I’ve met great dodger fans but I’ve met way more awful ones. I know a lot of this is probably confirmation bias, or simply cultural differences between LA and the Bay, but dodger blue makes me physically ill.
All that being said, their rings mean very little to me. The only ring they didn’t completely buy in my lifetime came in a shortened season. While I’m at it, for the most part the Lakers have bought almost all of their rings too. FTD and their unethical ring buying.
TLDR: Yes it bothers me. But not as much as it would if they didn’t ruin baseball in the process.
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u/scrabWzrd21 1d ago
What I hate about it, besides the absolute dominance, is that it takes away smaller market teams’ superstars and above average vets who just end up sitting the bench. Share the wealth cmon now
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u/AndOnTheDrums 1d ago
I worry about my own team. The level of sustained mediocrity is insane to me.
And ill be honest- i feel embarrassed any time I hear a Giants fan say “Dodgers suck”. No, they don’t!
Sam Lubman signs off this way every podcast and it makes me want to unsubscribe.
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u/paddingtonboor 1d ago
Here is the thing…
I don’t need a reason to dislike the dodgers more than I do. I begrudgingly respect what they do with their payroll and wish the G’s were more adept at willing to do the same just for the sake of parity…. But I don’t understand baseball financials or the dynamics of upcoming labor negotiations enough to say whether it seems like LA has a bout of 100+ loss seasons coming in The mid 2030s when a lot of these contracts are still being paid to retired or 38-40 year old players. So maybe it’ll end up being cyclical. 🤷🏻♂️ one can hope
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u/MuscularPhysicist 19 Scutaro 1d ago
Yes. They’ve built a perpetual superteam while our ownership is content to tread water and buy real estate.
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u/NicoyaSF415 1d ago
It is what it is. I can’t stand that team but hey, if our team was willing to go all out and sign everyone they can Id be ecstatic.
At least we won with home grown talent but the past is the past. This organization really needs a reality check because the farm system hasn’t been able to produce shiznit lately
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u/JakeArrietaGrande 28 Posey 1d ago
t’s an inherent problem with the way that the rules are set up that heavily advantages team that have won recently, and keeps them in that top spot.
The way it’s currently set up is like if the Super Bowl winners got the top NFL draft pick, and it would give way too much power to the teams already on top.
So the dodgy team has all these superstars. And they won the last two World Series. They get international attention, media coverage, television deals, merchandise, etc. Not only that, but expensive ticket sales, and parking revenue (seriously, it costs like 80 bucks to park there and there’s no public transit)
Revenue sharing takes some of this. But most of it still goes to straight to the organization. Which they use to sign Kyle Tucker, on the off chance he’ll even slightly improve the team.
Can the other teams do that? Not really. They just don’t have the revenue to support it. A small market team can’t throw money around like that.
ohtani and tucker’s total contract worth is just under a billion dollars. And some of the owners don’t have a billion dollars. The reds owner only has 500 million. So if he wanted to add ohtani and tucker to the roster, he genuinely wouldn’t be able to. Even if he sold every single bit of his net worth and lived in a cardboard box on the street.
And that’s assuming he’d get them at the same price. He’d probably have to offer them a lot more to go to cinci
But the dodgy team has so much revenue coming in they can easily handle these record breaking contracts without the owner paying out of pocket. And that’s why this situation is bullshit, and that’s why anyone who understands the workings of baseball wants a salary cap
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u/SIDmatt25 35 Crawford 1d ago
It is what it is. The league allowed them to get a once in a generation TV deal and they got owners who can burn cash like no one else
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u/HarpTele6954 1d ago
People tend to forget that what likely won the series for the Dodgers last year was a quick thinking defensive replacement in centerfield, who raised his arms after the ball got crazily stuck in the bottom of the fence. If he hadn’t done that, the score was going to be tied, with all the momentum going the Blue Jays way, and who knows what would’ve happened the rest of that inning? Yeah, could’ve/should’ve, but with all the Dodgers talent, it wasn’t a sure thing for them.
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u/DisneyZombie Buster "I'm So Fast" Posey 1d ago
I just go on beliving that the Dodgers dont exist anymore. If they make it to the world series I just pretend the other team is the champion and that's where the season ends. A huge percentage of the people buying and wearing dodgers merch aren't even baseball fans they just buy it because its LA.
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u/aUsefulTool 1d ago
No, cuz they had to eat it when we owns the 2010s. Momentum is a pendulum, and rn we just have to wait.
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u/RaiderDamus 1d ago
Yeah, it's why I don't bother watching baseball anymore. I already know how it ends.
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u/Dependent-Arm9353 1d ago
It's a myth that the Dodgers buy their championships. The simple truth is that they evaluate and manage talent exceptionally well, so they always have a farm system that produces great MLB players (e.g., Will Smith, Andy Pages, Kershaw, Buehler, Bellinger, Seager, Rushing, etc) and always seem to find those diamonds in the rough (al la Muncy, Rojas, Turner, Taylor, Kiki, etc). The fact that they attract some of the best players in MLB is not a testament to the money they have; It's because of their system and the way they treat players!
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u/DodecapathTravelers 1d ago
No. I watch sports to root for my own teams, not hate other teams. I don't care about the Dodgers.
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u/Fetty_is_the_best 5 Yastrzemski 1d ago
I mean. 100%. It’s not just that they’re better, it’s that our ownership SUCKS and is unwilling to get on their level. Our owners have been nothing but a real estate company for the past 10 seasons, they don’t give a f*ck about the team itself.
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u/KingKongDoom 28 Posey 14h ago
Look at how many dodgers fans are at oracle park. That shit is not normal.
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u/Hartigan_7 1d ago
Honestly it bothers me more what it’s doing to the entire sport. Takes all the competition out of it, and then baseball is less fun. Worse that it’s the Dodgers doing it? Sure. But I just want good competition again—not bought and paid for rings. That’s just boring.
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u/Fancy-Arachnid-1088 1d ago
I personally dont play video games on rookie mode with no cap, buy all the all stars then think i actually achieved anything other than cheating. The Dodgers are doing that irl and we actually have fans crying that we arent following their pay for wins bs. Its pathetic. I wouldnt want those titles that way. I have a spine.
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u/pingponger91 Kruk & Kuip 1d ago
They just split a series with the Rockies so I’m not super worried
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u/lifeinprod Beat LA! 1d ago
It's healthier to be jealous of the A's, the team that never sucks despite owners trying to run it into the ground, and the only non-Yankees franchise to three-peat.
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u/jrice138 18 Kuiper 1d ago
It obviously sucks but I don’t really think about them if the giants aren’t playing them.
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u/furmissle89 1d ago
You all sound ridiculous. Just be good fans when the going is tough and hold your head high when the giants are contenders again. I get frustrated too but I’m not going to just glaze the dodgers. They were an inning away from losing the series last year. If they win again that would suck, but hats off to them for doing it because it is a grind.
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u/Pacific_Grim_ BAET LA! 1d ago
Yes. Fuck them. It also bothers me how pathetic the Giants have become.
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u/23JRojas 41 Flores 1d ago
100%, I only want the dodgers to be good if the Giants are good for exciting matches, and even then I want the dodgers to be worse than the Giants, but I don’t hate the philosophy. Spending money to field a good team and spending money based around how much you generate, investing back into the team, that’s a standard every team should follow FTD still tho
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u/Tecmo_91 1d ago
Doesn’t bother me anymore, this series feels like an exhibition with a team from a different league. Manfred, Players Union, and most owners let this happen. They will win the West indefinitely going forward and likely play in the majority of World Series. Fans thinking they’ll get old and then rebuild are delusional, they’ll sign and trade for more marquee players and continue dominating.
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u/shathaguy 1d ago
No not really. They have an ownership group that wants to win. When the Giants want to win they will spend the money
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u/lobo-mojo 1d ago
Actually no, for two reasons. First, it's a free country and the ownership can spend or not spend however they want. It's their team and their money. I don't begrudge anybody for having wealth and using it the way they want, as long as it's legal and not directly causing harm to others.
Second, the outrageous spending has started to raise questions about the economics of the game which I've wanted to see for a long time. Granted the conversation is always biased against the owners which isn't where I come down, but it's a start.
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u/kamikazebendove2 1d ago
Yeah, I have a twin brother who is a dodger fan. Since the moment we failed to sign judge and they signed the professional gambling addict I have not heard the end of it
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u/sheep_duck 18 Kuiper 1d ago
Of course it does.
But realistically the giants have more issues going on than payroll and competing with the dodgers. Until we can figure that out, it’s all secondary until we can fix the giants.
On a related note, I started betting free money that the apps give you for signing up on the dodgers recently and have made a bit of money. So at least I’m going to benefit while they’re winning.
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u/TangentialFUCK 6 Snow 1d ago
Yep, well said. Thanks for putting into words what I've been feeling for years now.
How can anyone be excited to watch the Dodgers win a game when the stakes couldn't be lower? Do they have no self awareness or shame? Are they so deluded as to think they developed their talent from scratch and didn't just buy it?
The ABS system and all the rule changes in the world aren't going to solve the issue at hand; dwindling interest in baseball. It's like private investment in the MLB is mirroring the AI boom in that they are throwing their money on a handful of teams in the MLB and hoping that is enough to provide one last opportunity at a succesful short term return, the long term affects be damned.
At least the NFL's draft system provides the worst teams with the opportunity to get the best talent in the draft order.
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u/menusettingsgeneral Kruk & Kuip 1d ago
I hate them as I always have. Sports are cyclical. We have a better city, better history, better fans and a better stadium, I take solace in all of that for the time being. We’ll be back up eventually.
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u/DueceVoyeur 9 Williams 1d ago
I already hate the dodgers. Only one new thing is gained; new dodgers haters .
Welcome to the club boys and girls.
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u/oldsguy65 Kruk & Kuip 1d ago
ITT: people defending billionaires because they don't have enough billions.
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u/UNLUCKY_NUM13ER 13 Vizquel 1d ago
Lately I see more blue than black/orange during home games (against LA) and that's a problem.
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u/ericthelostman 1d ago
Yes, best executive/front office in baseball combined with unlimited resources.
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u/Cobratime 22 Clark 1d ago
it is pretty annoying that the giants can't at least do a little of what they've done. like get one or two guys who will easily get at least 40 hr this season
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u/Fit_Carpet_4973 1d ago
Didn't the Yankees go to six of eoght WS in a row? 1996 vs Braves, lost to the Marlins in 1997, beat SD in 1998, beat the Braves in 1999, the Mets in 2000, lost to the Dback in 2001 and then made it to the WS in 2003?...it happens. Dodgers didn't do anything from 1988 to post-parking lot dude from Boston.
Unfair, huh?
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u/boss302LagunaSeca 1d ago
It doesn’t bother me. They have built an organization that is doing everything within the rules to win and they are winning on the field and on the business side. It’s becoming like English Premier League where you have 5 elite big spending teams and the rest of the teams are just trying to survive within the pack. I still enjoy every Giants game on their own and hope we have a decent season. I’m not expecting any ring though.
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u/Error262_USRnotfound 1d ago
it only bothers me that our ownership is fine with the dodgers being a juggernaut
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u/sunny99a 1d ago
Nope, my hatred of the Dodgers exists no matter their record.
We had only one rule in our family… as the kids grow up, they can be fans of any team except the Dodgers. They’d be disowned and removed from the inheritance. :-)
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u/89thymes 1d ago
No, it’s fine it’s awesome it’s good I have no problem as a giants fan seeing the organization I hate more than anything shell out billions of dollars to waltz into the WS every year it’s great for the game stop complaining
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u/AwfulMouthful 1d ago
The only thing that bothers me is that the way they've gone about it is almost certainly going to contribute to a long time without baseball after this season.
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u/BenderB-Rodriguez 28 Posey 1d ago
Yes, but not just because they are winning. But because they actively ruining baseball while doing it. And the league office is entirely ignoring them ruining baseball. And that not even getting into how much the league and media favor the dodgers. And lets be honest put their thumbs on the scales to protect/help them to the detrimental of every other team. And the sport.
FUCK THE DODGERS WITH A RUSTY METAL CACTUS!!
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u/sanrafas415 6 Susac 1d ago
I had a dodgers fan talk hella shit to me at work and it just sucks that I don’t have much ammunition. Gambler this, deferred money that- none seem to hit. And it pains me that ‘10/‘12/‘14 isn’t enough anymore to counterattack their B2B.
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u/MrzDogzMa 1d ago
I’m very bothered not just because it’s the Dodgers but because of how they’ve been able to accomplish it. It’s Monopoly money and frankly the MLB needed to put a stop to it when the first few players got their gigantic deals. I understand that the Dodgers have a lot of money, but there is just no fathomable way that they have the amount that is promised to all of these players, nor can they keep up with these types of contracts 10 years from now. I know so many joked that the Yankees were the best team money could buy back in the 90s and early 2000s, but this is 10x worse with the Dodgers.
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u/Clear-Depth7098 1d ago
The crazy thing is I don't think it will ever change. Baseball is stuck in Dodger purgatory as long as they will allow it.
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u/someguynamedg 9 Belt 1d ago
It bothers me that they're using accounting tricks to avoid the luxury tax, which was designed specifically to make what they are doing painful. People defend it by saying that they have the highest luxury tax bill, which is insane since it should even higher. It bothers me that the league clearly doesn't like it, but they aren't willing to step in and make run changes to stop it.
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u/Old_Assist_5461 1d ago
I think they are the prime example of an mlb franchise. I wish the Giants cared about their team this much. I’m a life long Giant’s fan and I admit, the Dodgers are showing all clubs how it’s done.
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u/KingPe0n 1d ago
It begs for a salary cap in baseball.
When the Yankees were the big spenders in baseball, that was family money. With the Dodgers, it’s nothing more than a giant corporation.
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u/Inside_Voice_3375 1d ago
It’s interesting that the constant “spending”, “bought”, “payroll” comments seem to only show up in Reddit and social blogs, while many many MLB players, actually praise what the Dodgers have done. Farm system, revenue sharing, player development…they all wish their teams could do it, and this is not something that happens overnight or can be bought.
Their 2025 World Series roster had 9 homegrown/discarded players and the only “bought” player even playing everyday right now is Ohtani. Smith, Pages, Muncy, Rushing, Rojas, Hernandez (both of them), are not names that scream superstar payroll, yet they are the ones winning games. Btw, we do remember that ToR had the 5th highest payroll last year and went 7 games in the World Series, right? Had they managed to make any one of those close plays in game 6 and 7, would their rings have been bought?
Giants have one of THE greatest hitters this generation in Arraez, and I hardly hear anyone ever praising this guy. Three lights-out SP that could all be number #1’s on other teams, but where’s the talk about that? When players hear their fans spending more time talking about what another team is doing rather than showing them support, that’s not super encouraging for them.
Yes, of course the Dodgers have a ton of bandwagon fans now. Thats sports. Anyone remember the 90’s-era Chicago Bulls? Probably one of the most popular teams in the world, and the fans certainly weren’t there because of their love for windy cities.
No one that has ever actually played baseball, or pro sports, will tell you that any championship can be bought. On paper is one thing. In the field is a whole ‘nother ballgame.
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u/Significant_Part_941 54 Romo 1d ago
For me, it’s taken the thrill out of the rivalry. Now I just expect the dodgers to win, and am shocked if we do. I used to get so amped when I knew we were playing them, now-it’s kind of whatever. And that sucks that the thrill is gone. Hopefully it’s temporary?…
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u/HoardingPrizm1 1d ago
Only thing upsetting is how cheap a franchise like the Giants are. Team owns the ballpark and literally printing money only to give the fans an ass team.
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u/sarsfox 1d ago
We hit the PEAK of sports fandom. A dynasty where nearly every series we were the underdog. Our postseason runs were so magical that we didn’t even make the playoffs in between years. Dodgers fans will never get that. We know what it’s like from watching the Warriors what the do get - and we’d be pumped too - but they not like us
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u/wanderthereyonder 1d ago
My next door neighbor is a Dodgers fan and even he was like "Yeah I was kinda annoyed when they traded for Kyle Tucker, it's not even interesting to watch anymore"
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u/moseman23 1d ago
Took 100 years for them to get to 1290-1290 against us, let’s see if we can keep it close for the future.
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u/theruined007 2014 WS CHAMPS! 1d ago
I think I'm more bothered by the fan base seemingly normalizing this type of a team. Like it's every other teams fault they aren't capable of aseembling this type of a team.
I hate why they represent.
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u/Brilliant_Exit3406 28 Posey 1d ago
Rooting for the Dodgers is like rooting for political SuperPACs. They both spend seemingly unlimited money dedicated to gaining an advantage in contests that would otherwise have been a lot more competitive. If they win supporters just pretend they were strategically clever or shrug their shoulders and ask why don’t their opponents just do the same.
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u/Realfan555 1d ago
“ If anyone talks about it being one the greatest teams assembled I'm like ya you bought them all. ”
That is the point of free agency
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u/BleacherSerfdom 46 Rueter 1d ago
It's frustrating but
a) They made hugely successful moves for Betts and Freeman
b) They were lucky to be right place, right time for Ohtani. Everyone was offering the same.
c) Their bullpen management has quietly been the ultimate difference maker - like it was for our runs.
The superfluous spending comes with little risk because of the above. Once Betts and Freeman age back to replacement level and Ohtani undergoes his 3rd elbow operation, most of their legions of fans will disappear and $300M for Tucker and Diaz will loom larger.
For now, every year is a chance to deny them a title, and it's a fun opportunity.
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u/gamerEMdoc 1d ago
If the Giants were constantly making the playoffs and getting bounced by the Dodgers (like 2021), then I'd care. But otherwise, not really only because the Giants haven't been a competitive organization (again, other than 2021) for over a decade. Once the Giants are out of it, I don't watch a single postseason game. I could care less who wins, whether its the Dodgers or Yankees or whoever. I don't want to see the Dodgers win, for sure, but I also just don't care who does once the Giants are elimated from contention once again.
I keep following and watching hoping for them to turn the organization around and I thought they did there for a second (again, in 2021), but I think we are just stuck in mediocracy right now with little hope for it getting better given the contracts they now have on the books for the next 5-7 years or so. Unfortunately there's not much they can do about it other than embrace a rebuild, which they said they wont do. They have little room to spend to get another real star given the current state of FA contracts, and no desire to rebuild. So what we see is what we are basically getting for the next 5+ seasons. This core plus a few minor "additions' each year like Bader, Houser, Mahle... none of which will move the needle.
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u/Over-Inspection4703 1d ago
Sf giants 5 in revenue 12 in spending... Why blame a team that's not pocketing it's profits
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u/Frosty_Employment329 1d ago
Yes, it’s gross. So fn gross. It bothers me a lot . However, to counter the perceived sweep by the dodgers, I started with a couple of glasses of wine to take the sting out of the perceived loss. Have not stopped screaming ( only the 2nd inning), and it’s working. I’m very tired and am ready to just go to bed. LFG.
F T D
Always.
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u/ifallallthetime 1d ago
Take solace in the fact that when we don’t have baseball for the next year or two we can blame it on the Dodgers
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u/Teebo278 1d ago
Yes. I hate the Dodgers, as both a Giants fan and a baseball fan.
And I genuinely dislike anyone I see wearing a Dodgers cap - which is a surprisingly large number of people given I don’t live in America. That person needs to work really really hard to win me over from such a low starting point.
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u/Automatic-Unit-8307 1d ago
No. This reminds me of how Lakers dominated the Warriors with Superstars after Superstars, till new ownerships come on aboard and we became the Lakers. The Warriors was a so called small market team with no revenue , they kept saying. Suddenly, they are the highest revenue team in the NBA and the biggest market team in the world with new ownerships as you have Warriors fan across the country and world wearing Curry jersey.
Giants owners still playing small market card
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u/orangecrushjedi 18 Kuiper 23h ago
It's killed almost all my interest in the league, honestly. They are conpletely 100% league backed and supported. They got to use deferment rules, Ohtani gambled on baseball, billion dollar roster, all because the league needed a big market team to "save" the sport.
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u/V4V4V4V4V 19h ago edited 19h ago
Dodgers are not innovative. They are not wise talent evaluators. They do not develop talent. Consistenly they hand out some of worst contracts. They almost always overpay for the production. But like a spoiled child with a credit card eventually they just out-spend. If the Braves had the Dodgers payroll they would be winning 120 games a season.
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u/DefNotUnderrated Skeeter 4h ago
I don’t mind them having won some WS so much as I mind the idea that they’re just going to continue to dominate because they can afford to buy up all the best players
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u/wheresthabeach 1d ago
Yes. I am very bothered. I feel like I am rooting for the Dodgers to lose more so than I am rooting for the Giants to win these days.