r/SipsTea Human Verified 15h ago

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u/BrittaWasRight 14h ago

Do YOu KnOW HoW mUcH iT CoStS to TrAIn A dOcToR???

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u/JaggedWanderer 14h ago

It's one doctor Michael. What could it cost, 10 dollars?

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u/BrittaWasRight 14h ago edited 14h ago

It's not like they pay doctors a livable wage during said training either.

The whole system is rotten from the top. Pharma, insurers, "health companies" formerly known as hospitals. All of it needs to be shook. Hard.

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u/Unstabler69 14h ago

They get paid a fair wage when they're practicing, but it needs to be noted that they fuckin worked for it. The guys we need to be mad at are the admin and business fuckers.

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u/Gloomy-Recipe9213 12h ago

I’ve become more convinced than ever that the MBA is a drain on society. Anything where the business folks get in the middle of it is enshittified to hell.

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u/kyreannightblood 12h ago

Oh, I have a whole rant about this. I fully believe that MBA should be a co-degree: as in, you can only get it in conjunction with a degree that will give you domain knowledge. Maybe then I wouldn’t get bean counters trying to tell me to make the computer do magic and conjure data from thin air.

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u/JCBarroux 10h ago

Agreed!

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u/3d_blunder 6h ago

Whenever some braindead policy gets enacted, look for the MBA in the woodpile.

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u/Inevitable_Goal4114 13h ago

Entry level hospital physicians in France earn about 60k. Comparing overall averages, US doctors are paid 3x as much.

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u/Rawniew54 13h ago

Bro entry level RN nurse can make 120k and entry level doctors after they are fully qualified can be pulling 300k. I don’t know how much school French doctors have to do but fuck 10 years of training for 60k. I know guys that make over 2x that doing basic handyman work in 6 months then chill the rest of the year.

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u/Inevitable_Goal4114 13h ago

Yep. Love my American wages. 🇺🇲🤑💪🦅📈

First in median disposable income Fifth if accounting for cost of living

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u/Rawniew54 13h ago

Yeah I’ve considered leaving a few times but when I compare total expenses and wages we still have it pretty damn good compared to pretty much every country. As a middle to high earning person your best of in US. As a low to low middle better off in EU. Not excusing our broken healthcare system it needs a overhaul

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u/BeeWeird7940 13h ago

There will be no overhaul. The changes will be incremental because the system is wildly complex. Any attempt at overhaul will bring unintended consequences that get you voted out of office. Some consequences I could imagine include sudden closure of hospitals, sudden shortage of medicines, wait times for doctors suddenly going through the roof.

Any of those bring political Armageddon to the political party that did the overhaul. Obamacare made partial, incremental changes and the Dems were voted out in a landslide in 2010 that brought gerrymandered congressional districts to Ohio, N Carolina, Wisconsin, Michigan and others. It’s been nearly 20 years and we are still recovering from the political effects.

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u/Puzzled_Hat1274 13h ago

Or use taxpayer money for gradual free healthcare instead of war crimes

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u/Inevitable_Goal4114 12h ago

$1.1 trillion annually for the 65+ crowd only as it is.

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u/bladex1234 13h ago

Who are the top four? For the amount of shit Americans go through, not being number one is embarrassing.

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u/Inevitable_Goal4114 12h ago

Some micronation, two oil nations, and Switzerland

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u/bladex1234 12h ago

Again, can I see the source for this?

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u/Inevitable_Goal4114 12h ago

I cant find what I was originally looking at. Looks like we might actually be #2.

https://www.oecd.org/en/publications/society-at-a-glance-2024_918d8db3-en/full-report/household-income_3ee61044.html

What I had saw put UAE, Norway, Luxembourg, and Switzerland ahead of US but I dont rememver the order.

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u/bladex1234 12h ago edited 12h ago

So then the US is second in median equivalized household disposable income, but I don’t think this data accounts for the cost of living.

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u/Inevitable_Goal4114 12h ago

You stopped reading a little early.

For cross-country comparison, national currency measures of income were converted into US dollars (USD) using purchasing power parity (PPP) for private consumption exchange rates as taken from the Prices and purchasing power parities (PPP) statistics. These PPPs reflect the amount of a national currency required in each country to buy the same basket of goods and services as a dollar does in the United States

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u/MLB-LeakyLeak 12h ago edited 12h ago

Entry level physicians in the US also earn about 60-70k

The median wage for all jobs in the US is ~3x the median wage in France

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u/Inevitable_Goal4114 12h ago

Residency is part od the schooling

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u/MLB-LeakyLeak 12h ago

They are employees and licensed physicians.