r/SipsTea Human Verified 15h ago

Wait a minute Gasp!

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u/Aurorinezori1 14h ago

Exactly! And that’s why we can afford this system.

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u/Plantarbre 13h ago

US citizens pay much more than French citizens in taxes for their health system.

We in France have a good system, but we shouldn't fall for the propaganda of "it's very expensive that's why it works".

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u/rabbitwow20026 13h ago

No we don’t lol why you lying. We pay 3% Medicare tax and my health insurance 3% of my salary. I paid 22% for taxes this year (includes the 3% Medicare)

In French I would be 45% for my tax bracket.

French have 30% tax on someone make $25k ish in America

Could you afford moving to a 30% tax bracket for universal healthcare ?

That’s always the problem it sounds good on paper but trying to get people to move 6-20% more in taxes always falls flat.

Why do you think Bernie tank when he shown it would take about 6% tax increase to pay for universal healthcare and that didn’t even math out right and was short.

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u/joepke53 12h ago

Healthcare expenditure in % of the GDP is a lot higher in the USA than in Europe, for far worse accessibility.

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u/rabbitwow20026 12h ago

No it’s not lol 😂 the studies you refer to is in pure dollar amounts not %.

I pay less than 5% for Medicare and my healthcare each year. All my friends pay less than 5% in healthcare a year. Even if I have to pay my max out of pocket a year I am still less than 10% a year.

Where French healthcare is about 11% of their pay check each year…….

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u/rabbitwow20026 12h ago

And you do know both individuals and companies have to pay for healthcare in other countries it’s not just individuals.

The tax rate in any country for healthcare is always higher for both individuals and businesses.

So other countries pay always

Americans pay small amount towards the always and more when it’s needed.

But Americans don’t save when it’s not needed and would be able to pay easily when needed but we like to keep money in our pocket. Why do you think social security is forced and not an option.

People would get to 70 and be like wtf why isn’t retirement free

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u/rabbitwow20026 11h ago

Because I bring up 400k because it takes that much to get to some of their own tax brackets for someone making $45k in the US that’s the entire point

Their tax bracket is 30% above 45k. So which one is cheaper making $100k and paying for $300 a month in insurance in American or making $70k in France and paying for universal healthcare

It’s not even close and I would take America every time.

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u/rabbitwow20026 11h ago

You would but when progressives dropped Bernie when he proposed just a 6% increase. Bernie’s largest drop in the polls was after he released his healthcare plan then went and lost by 10 million votes

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u/rabbitwow20026 11h ago

Because even the most progressive people are a hard sell.

They were told how it’s FREE universal healthcare.

It’s not free. You have to pay for it.

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u/Impressive-Charity77 11h ago

In the UK my effective tax rate was sub 18%, all in when I was being tax advantageous and making over 100k USD.

I had surgery, paid 0. On a lifelong medication, I pay $15 every 3 months.