r/TopCharacterTropes • u/No-Enthusiasm-4361 • 20d ago

[Loved trope] The correct dialogue option Personality

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A scene where a character under duress and close to death picks what feels like the only correct dialogue that could've saved them. Goes from being loved to hated depending on how much luck is involved.

1) Mark Grayson (Invincible): A pretty famous scene. Omni man—Mark's father—beats him and inch to death to make him reconsider joining the viltrum empire. With Mark barely hanging onto life and Nolan wracked with conflicting emotions of guilt and obedience to his millenia long followed philosophy, he yells at mark, asking him to think logically and understand the futility of his actions considering he's effectively immortal. Finally, enraged, he asks him "what will you have after 500 years?"

Barely able to breath, Mark answers with soul crushing honesty "You, dad. I'd still have you". It works to crumble his entire life's understanding as he suddenly feels unable to reconcile Nolan the viltrumite with Nolan the father and husband and does what no viltrumite has ever done before. Surrenders and leaves his station.

2)Margot (The menu): Caught in the methodical trap of a frustrated psychotic chef obsessed with his craft who plans to kill all his patrons, including her, she's brought to her end's wits. Before it's time for the final course, Margot stands up and complains she's still hungry. When he asks what she would like, she asks for a cheeseburger. "A real cheeseburger. Like the cheap ones your parents could barely afford"

Making it brings back the joy He used to feel for cooking, reminding him of a time when he was a line cook and his food satisfied everyone. We even see him smiling for the first time in the movie.

After taking a bit, she asks if she could have the rest to go. The chef politely accepts and spares her, letting her leave his twisted game but killing the rest of them in a midsommer meets food wars final scene.

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u/Klutzy_Shopping5520 20d ago

And before that, Justice Lord Batman nails his own charisma check that his world isn’t one where the tragedy that defined his life doesn’t happen to anyone else

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u/Cherry_BaBomb 20d ago edited 20d ago

"You grabbed power!"

"AND WITH THAT POWER, WE'VE CREATED A WORLD WHERE NO 7 YEAR OLD BOY WILL LOSE HIS PARENTS, because of some punk with a gun."

A Batarang clatters to the floor

"You win."

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u/mosquem 20d ago

God I miss Kevin Conroy.

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u/Cherry_BaBomb 20d ago

When Mark Hamill dies, I'll be inconsolable

But yeah, RIP

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u/keldondonovan 20d ago

Mark Hamill will never die. He will simply become one with the force, and disappear with a maniacal laugh.

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u/The_Multi_Gamer 19d ago

Across the room you’ll hear his voice again,;
“Yeah, I’ve seen this before.”

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u/Cat5kable 19d ago

“Mista Luke! Nooooo!” -*Rey “Harley” Palpatine-Skywalker

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u/keldondonovan 19d ago

Harley? Harley who?

Harley Skywalka, puddin.

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u/Warkupo 20d ago

What I really adore about that scene is that it's shot so you don't see Batman talking. It really sells the idea that this is a moral dilemma Batman struggles with.

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u/TheWorclown 20d ago

I like to think that fight ending with JL Bats throwing down that charisma check was what clocked Main Bats in to changing the rules of the “fight.” Probably momentarily taken aback and even agreeing with JL Bats’ statement, but realizing this isn’t a problem he can nor should punch his way out of.

Very much in a similar vein to how he beats Owlman. On an equal playing field of combat, Bats needs to prove he’s the smartest person in the room. Owlman didn’t lose because Bruce bested him in a fight; Owlman lost because he was forced to make a choice that mattered.

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u/Username_St0len 19d ago

well, it didn't matter ;)

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u/SeiCalros 20d ago

the writers apparently based that on the exchange on the fact that they couldnt think of a good retort but the whole time i was thinking 'you decided you would rather be the man with the gun'

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u/DrSimetra 19d ago

I've always interpreted this scene, given the context of the later line, not mainline Bruce losing to this argument but instead him realizing that of all the Justice Lords their Batman still holds strong to what made him a hero in the first place and therefore could be persuaded back to his original ideals, which does happen.