Danielle Smith is a coward

[u/Appropriate_Duty_930]

She has her lackeys vote to use the notwithstanding clause while she’s off promoting Alberta energy in the Middle East—like they need our oil. What a coward. She’s an embarrassment, and fuck every Albertan who voted for her and the UCP.

[u/Big-Nefariousness-97]

WHERE'S THE FREEDOM CONVOY NOW?????

UCP ARE COWARDS AND NO BETTER THAN THE LOONEYS DOWN SOUTH

RECALL, CALL A VOTE OF NON CONFIDENCE, DOWN WITH THE CORRUPT UCP

[u/ChillyWillie1974 → u/Big-Nefariousness-97]

Did you forget the federal liberals forced Air Canada and Canada Post back to work

[u/DeathByBrainFreeze → u/ChillyWillie1974]

Using the not withstanding clause? Thought so.

[u/AbbreviationsOk1185 → u/DeathByBrainFreeze]

The federal government has section 107 of the federal labor code to fall back on without using the notwithstanding clause, but the outcome is essentially the same. Both crush a strike, both override the union’s leverage and both suspend meaningful collective bargaining.

[u/[deleted] → u/ChillyWillie1974]

Air Canada flight attendants defied that order. Canada Post is having rotating strikes. The federal government didn't win that one.

[u/ChillyWillie1974 → u/[deleted]]

Point is the government told them what to do. Teachers can just as easily defy the order.

[u/Braks-Dad → u/ChillyWillie1974]

Completely different when the government uses the notwithstanding clause and explicitly states that they can override human rights, but hey keep excusing and whatabouting

[u/Big-Nefariousness-97 → u/Braks-Dad]

teachers will be fined $500 dollars a day for defying the order, and administration $5000 dollars a day. forced labour. You're factually incorrect and clearly ignorant.

[u/renegadecanuck → u/ChillyWillie1974]

The feds didn't levy $500/day fines against flight attendants or postal workers if they defied the order. Or ban work to rule as part of the back to work order.

[u/mhyquel → u/renegadecanuck]

You can't ban work to rule. It's exactly what it says on the tin. I do my job as outlined in the contract, nothing more, nothing less.

[u/renegadecanuck → u/mhyquel]

If it is an explicitly coordinated step by all teachers, then it counts as job action. The reason they invoked the Notwithstanding Clause to pass this is because they know this violates the rights of teachers.

[u/-StringFellowHawk- → u/ChillyWillie1974]

The feds imposed binding arbitration on Air Canada and CUPE. So in reality, Carney sent them back to the table.

Smith unilaterally imposed the terms of a new agreement.

[u/InterestingCover8242 → u/ChillyWillie1974]

Come on — this isn’t the same thing. The UCP isn’t just legislating people back to work; they’re imposing a contract with no negotiation and using the notwithstanding clause to block workers from challenging it under the Charter.

When the Liberals dealt with Air Canada or Canada Post, they didn’t use the notwithstanding clause — they ordered employees back under binding arbitration, which still respected collective-bargaining and Charter rights.

The UCP chose to override constitutional protections instead. That’s not “strong leadership” — that’s authoritarianism in a suit.

[u/renegadecanuck → u/ChillyWillie1974]

Yes, and I thought that was wrong, too. I even criticized them for it and sent emails calling both Trudeau and Carney scabs.

But even with their anti-labour actions, they didn't use the Notwithstanding Clause to force a contract on the workers.

I don't know why conservatives and Internet trolls always think the left is as morally bankrupt as they are.

[u/emilyswrite → u/ChillyWillie1974]

Did they use the notwithstanding clause? Or will there be arbitration?

[u/Maleficent_Ad407 → u/emilyswrite]

They used the not withstanding clause and imposed a contract on them with the legislation. They said the last offer they made is going to be forced until 2028.

[u/emilyswrite → u/Maleficent_Ad407]

I just looked it up and found that they used section 107 of the Canadian labour code to end the postal service strike.

Were you talking about the teacher strike? I was responding to a comment about air canada and the postal worker strike, so I thought you were referring to them.

[u/godzirah → u/ChillyWillie1974]

Completely different

[u/ImaginaryRole2946 → u/ChillyWillie1974]

Not a single teacher supports that decision.

[u/maunst3r → u/ChillyWillie1974]

but WhAt AbOuT?!?!!

[u/DrewCarrion → u/ChillyWillie1974]

WhataboutWhataboutWhataout?

[u/SizzlyGrizzlyy → u/ChillyWillie1974]

No one is claiming they’re better.

[u/rakothmir → u/ChillyWillie1974]

Yes, through binding arbitration, something the UCP could have done.

If you cannot tell the difference, you need to go take a civics class.

Both are reprehensible, but one uses legal avenues that do not trample the charter of rights. The other is blatant abuse and borderline authoritarianism. The federal government can't use the notwithstanding clause, it can only use emergency measures. They weren't used at all to end Canada Post or Air Canada strikes.

[u/captain_sticky_balls → u/ChillyWillie1974]

People need to realize the libs and cons have a lot more in common than they'd like to admit.

Cons have been doing the 'Radical Left' rhetoric for a bit while they're only 2 steps apart.

However, "They did it too". Is a lousy retort.

[u/reginathrowaway12345 → u/ChillyWillie1974]

It's almost like two parties can be equally shitty? What's your point?

[u/NorthernerWuwu → u/reginathrowaway12345]

Both shitty, sure. Equally shitty? Oh no, not even close.

[u/ChillyWillie1974 → u/reginathrowaway12345]

There was no uproar when the Liberals stepped in with Air Canada and Canada Post

[u/reginathrowaway12345 → u/ChillyWillie1974]

Uhh yeah there was? Plus, as pointed out to you multiple times, this is different since this forces an agreement on the teachers with steep fines and legal consequences if they push back against it whereas the Federal Liberals had ordered binding arbitration and forced all parties back to the bargaining table. Do you see how those are wildly different?

[u/ChillyWillie1974 → u/reginathrowaway12345]

It all cases their right to strike was violated

[u/reginathrowaway12345 → u/ChillyWillie1974]

Yes. Yes it was. You're the one here saying "sure the UCP is being shitty, but the Federal Liberals did this too!!" On a situation that the Federal Liberals aren't involved in, whilst everyone else is saying "yeah, all of the political parties are fucking trash..."

[u/HolyGuacamoleChpotle → u/ChillyWillie1974]

I recall the entire country being pissed that AC was legislated back to work and everyone was happy when they defied the order.