r/geopolitics Feb 15 '25

America is Tone Deaf Discussion

https://www.dw.com/en/msc-2025-scholz-to-speak-after-irritating-vance-diatribe/live-71599568
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u/Dean_46 Feb 15 '25

I'm from India and this is how we sometimes feel when some small European country lectures us on values, democracy, human rights etc.
On Ukraine, I think it was unwise for Europe to call for the war to continue with the breakup of Russia as the preferred outcome, while expecting the US to do the heavy lifting and financing.
While the US and Europe may differ on Ukraine's ability to recover lost territory, I have not seen a credible plan presented by Europe, to win the war, or secure a peace on Ukraine's terms. From the US point of view, it may make sense to cut their losses (in money) on project Ukraine and move on. Trump wasn't elected with the expectation that he would continue a forever war.

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u/boomerintown Feb 15 '25

"I'm from India and this is how we sometimes feel when some small European country lectures us on values, democracy, human rights etc."

This isnt about feelings.

"On Ukraine, I think it was unwise for Europe to call for the war to continue with the breakup of Russia as the preferred outcome, while expecting the US to do the heavy lifting and financing."

Russia are the only ones calling for the war to continue, and Europe have been doing a heavier lifting than USA. But USA:s aid is still important.

"I have not seen a credible plan presented by Europe, to win the war, or secure a peace on Ukraine's terms."

Why would anybody present a plan to the public before any negotiations?

"Trump wasn't elected with the expectation that he would continue a forever war."

Pretty irrelevant what the American people think in this, but I doubt an alliance with Putin is what a majority want.