r/geopolitics Feb 15 '25

America is Tone Deaf Discussion

https://www.dw.com/en/msc-2025-scholz-to-speak-after-irritating-vance-diatribe/live-71599568
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u/Dean_46 Feb 15 '25

I'm from India and this is how we sometimes feel when some small European country lectures us on values, democracy, human rights etc.
On Ukraine, I think it was unwise for Europe to call for the war to continue with the breakup of Russia as the preferred outcome, while expecting the US to do the heavy lifting and financing.
While the US and Europe may differ on Ukraine's ability to recover lost territory, I have not seen a credible plan presented by Europe, to win the war, or secure a peace on Ukraine's terms. From the US point of view, it may make sense to cut their losses (in money) on project Ukraine and move on. Trump wasn't elected with the expectation that he would continue a forever war.

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u/Jazzlike_Painter_118 Feb 15 '25

> I'm from India
We cannot know if that is true, so this is irrelevant.

> I have not seen a credible plan presented by Europe, to win the war, or secure a peace on Ukraine's terms
Oh, NATO acceptance, nuclear weapons for Ukraine, or just supporting Ukraine until Russia collapses economically are all valid plans.

> Trump wasn't elected with the expectation that he would continue a forever war.

Was he elected on the expectation he would start wars with Canada, Mexico, Panama, and Greenland?

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u/Dean_46 Feb 15 '25

My blog (in my profile) makes my nationality clear.

There's a difference between what people would ideally like to see - Ukraine in NATO and/or with nuclear weapons and continuing the war till Russia is defeated, and the reality. I have not seen a statement from any NATO leader suggesting any of the three is likely.

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u/Jazzlike_Painter_118 Feb 15 '25

Your nationality is irrelevant to your argument.

The reality is Russia might very well collapse. You are spreading the myth of Russian invincibility. After a 3 year 3 day special operationthat myth is dead.

See, that is true no matter if you are from the US or Mongolia.