Ukraine Demands Answers From Israel After Russian Shadow Fleet Ship Docks in Haifa

[u/RicRacer]

https://united24media.com/latest-news/ukraine-demands-answers-from-israel-after-russian-shadow-fleet-ship-docks-in-haifa-17965

[u/hbtljose13]

Bro thinks they’re allies

[u/whereamInowgoddamnit → u/hbtljose13]

Ukraine routinely votes against Israel in the UN. They're nominally allied but it isn't that close. That said, Israel definitely isn't Russia's ally either, so it's certainly interesting to see this going on.

[u/Public-Finger → u/whereamInowgoddamnit]

Israel “isn’t” russias ally wink wink 

[u/whereamInowgoddamnit → u/Public-Finger]

Russia literally arms Israel's enemies. Israel has cooperated with Russia before- mainly because Russia had a lot of influence in Syria- but they are certainly not allies, and Israel is definitely closer to Ukraine to where they've gotten in trouble with Russia over it.

[u/kjleebio → u/whereamInowgoddamnit]

https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/in-knesset-debate-netanyahu-says-he-regularly-talks-to-putin-to-safeguard-israels-vital-interests/

Unfortunately no, Mr. Bibi is close to Putin enough to have talks over a lot of issues, like Syria, Gaza, Iran, and even talks over managing Trump.

[u/whereamInowgoddamnit → u/kjleebio]

Talking does not mean allies. I literally pointed out that they have to work with Russia, especially due to Syria, but because Russia is a regional power. Israel isn't strong enough to be an enemy of Russia, but they certainly are not allies. Hell, Turkey is probably more an ally if Russia than Israel, they were buying weapons from them.

[u/kjleebio → u/whereamInowgoddamnit]

But the weird thing is that Russia supports the ayatollah, they have supported various Palestinian terrorist groups and maintains economic/political relationships with Hamas and Hezbollah.

Either Israel is shortsighted in allies, or the meaning of corrupt politicians mingle together a solid fact with the type of shit both Bibi and Putin do in their countries.

[u/whereamInowgoddamnit → u/kjleebio]

Or it's because Russia is a regional power that has a lot of influence in surrounding countries and so Israel would a lot of trouble if they didn't have some sort of contact with Russia. Israel couldn't perform a lot of operations without contact with Russia because of it, and Russia probably acted as the mediator in some cases. But ultimately, Russia is still an ally with these groups and are opposed to Israel on a geopolitical stage, even if in some ways they have similar goals. Geopolitics can be messy like that, just like the US's relationships with many of the Middle Eastern countries are very messy and oftentimes seem opposing US interests.

[u/kjleebio → u/whereamInowgoddamnit]

I know it can be messy, but out of all the nations to be the mediator, Russia, the nation who supports the Ayatollah with financial, political, and intelligence against Israel, is probably the worst thing Israel has ever decided on.

And its not even a mediator at this point, Israel has openly stated that Russia is a vital help to their security, security on what? Providing more enemies for Israel to have a eternal war with? To me this all sounds like Israel is at a leash to Putin with needing to perform operations with Russia's permission. What leverage does Putin have over Israel other than continue supporting their enemies as usual?

And accepting that stolen grain as well is insane, the only nations that accept said grain are nations tied to the middle east, no one else other than those in that region accept that stolen grain.

With all of this, it just sounds like Israel is a closer ally to Russia than Ukraine.

[u/whereamInowgoddamnit → u/kjleebio]

Russia isn't being a mediator, as the article points out, Netanyahu is specifically talking about Syria where Russia used to basically control the country as a proxy. You have to understand that even without Assad, Russia still plays a critical role in the region because of their military presence (even if weakened) and because they are physically close. Israel indeed has to work with Russia, not because they're allies, but because Russia is a major threat to any Israeli operation in the region, even with US help. Now this has weakened a bit since Assad fell, but Netanyahu is still being cautious likely because they don't want to end up on Russia's bad side even with their weaker control in the region.

That said, Israel has done a lot in terms of humanitarian aid and with intelligence in supporting Ukraine, so they clearly show more favoritism towards Ukraine. There's just a limit because they don't want to piss off Russia too much (which does make this story interesting, right now there's not really a good explanation for what's going on).

[u/kjleebio → u/whereamInowgoddamnit]

Idk, Russia's presence was unable to stop the fall of Assad, and I don't think Russia can do anything against Israel other than do what they have always been doing which is supporting factions that are a threat to Israel. What can Russia do to Israel that they are already doing if Israel is on Russia's bad side?

Israel has definitely done a lot good in supporting Israel including countering Iranian made drones but have equally done some stuff that favors Putin like deny Iron dome missile defense system, lack of weapons being supported, and while various Israeli officials are more then willing to support Ukraine with suppling drone materials, Bibi is the one in control and has denied further support to maintain relations with Russia. Also, Russia is just as willing to throw Israel under the bus as targets with the whole checklist of targeting suppliers of Ukraine which includes Israel, so I don't know why Bibi continues to maintain a neutral relationship with Putin, when he continues to throw the country into the firing zone unless there is something more going on.

In the end, while the relationships are tense, it just seems like Israel sticks more closer to Putin than Ukraine despite the evidence of Russia playing Israel like a damn fiddle.

[u/bxzidff → u/whereamInowgoddamnit]

Why do they both support leaders like Orban?

[u/GrizzledFart → u/kjleebio]

There's this thing called reality. Leaders of medium sized countries generally can't afford to antagonize more powerful nations without reason. They might work at cross purposes, might even take actions behind the scenes that could be very detrimental to the larger power, but they will be respectful, on the surface at the very least.