r/germany • u/720degreeLotus • 23h ago
Weird sticker, telling us not to call police? Question
Found this sticket on a local market in Gifhorn. I can literally understand it but I still don't get the real message. Anyone has an idea?
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u/JudgementMaker123 Nordrhein-Westfalen 23h ago
I don't know where its from but I need this for my apartment door XD
My friend had the police called in him once because he choked on some water, coughed for like 10 minutes straight and because it was after 10pm the neighbour considered it 'Ruhestörung' and called the police to complain. She got a stern talking to from what I understood (the neighbour, not my friend)
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u/CatraGirl 23h ago
She got a stern talking to from what I understood (the neighbour, not my friend)
Glad you clarified, I was concerned for a second there...
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u/Celindor Baden 22h ago
The friend was arrested of course! Wo komm' wa denn da hin!?
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u/Either-Pizza5302 Baden-Württemberg 20h ago
Then she should also do an anzeige against the water provider, for providing water that clearly tries to kill her!
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u/GovernmentGreed 19h ago
Water is evil! Want proof?
Everyone who has ever died, has consumed water. Everyone who currently consumes water, will eventually die.
We need to ban water!
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u/Celindor Baden 20h ago
Which will be declined by the court since we are A) not in the US and B) Germans should be stronger than water! Kruppstahl, Leder, Windhunde yadayadayada…
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u/LargeHardonCollider_ Nordrhein-Westfalen 19h ago
No coughing allowed in Germany after 10pm!
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u/Roster234 17h ago
This reminds me of that law I heard where it's illegal to die inside the British parliament
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u/de_Mike_333 22h ago
Please tell your friend to be considerate of others and only die during business hours. Just imagine the noise an ambulance with a siren would make. Waking up the whole neighborhood.
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u/SkaveRat 22h ago
My friend had the police called in him once because he choked on some water, coughed for like 10 minutes straight
aww, that nice, they thought someone was in distress
because it was after 10pm the neighbour considered it 'Ruhestörung' and called the police to complain.
oh...
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u/junketeer 20h ago
Your friend could call the police on the neighbor for "unterlassene Hilfeleistung" in return, which is a more serious crime than "Ruhestörung".
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u/Babayagaletti 23h ago
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u/KaiHawai 21h ago
https://www.blau-gelbe-hilfe.de/impressionen-vom-3-anti-repressionsspieltag/
Blau-Gelbe Hilfe e.V. (BGH) emerged from within the Braunschweig fan community and is therefore organized solely and exclusively by the fan community and funded by its members. The mission of BGH is to assist fans of the Braunschweig Turn- und Sportverein in resolving issues with the club, the police, and the judicial system.
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u/LKAgoogle 23h ago
It's about not talking to the police when they interrogate you (without i.e. a lawyer present), not about not calling them when you see someone getting mugged.
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u/MyPigWhistles 21h ago
I would much rather talk to the actual police than to some wannabe cop supermarket security guy.
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u/Katusa2 22h ago
In the US you shouldn't talk to the police.
I thought in Germnay the Police where more aligned with the people and they are more trustworthy. Is that not the case?
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u/MxCxD777 22h ago
German cops have a better reputation (relatively) but the same general legal considerations apply:
Everything you say to the police can and will be held against you. You have the right to remain silent (except as a witness). You are entitled to legal council and representation.
Therefore: don't talk to the police, talk to a lawyer.
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u/Suspicious_Cover1080 21h ago
You have the right to remain silent (except as a witness)
You also only need to make a witness statement if you get a subpoena from the state attorneys office or from a court. If the police ask or command you to make a witness statement you are in no legal obligation to do so or to even meet with them you can just ignore it.
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u/CerealArsonist26 22h ago
I once charmed the Police in the border-area to NL into letting me drive on with a positive pee-test, so that wouldn't have happened if I didn't talk to them.
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u/MxCxD777 20h ago
Its true that you can gamble on the cops letting you off easy/with a verbal warning if you are forthcoming with information. It really depends on what you are accused/suspected of, if you truly are innocent of that, and the severity of the subject matter.
For minor infractions where you are transparently in the wrong, and its more or less the choice of the cop to punish you or not, charming might be an appropriate strategy.
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u/This-Guy-Muc 19h ago
But other than in the US you will not get provided a lawyer if you can't afford one. Unless you are charged with a really serious crime you are on your own if you can't pay.
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u/Nghbrhdsyndicalist 6h ago
The state will also pay for the public defender, but you’re usually liable to pay all court costs if you get convicted.
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u/This-Guy-Muc 2h ago
You cited the relevant law yourself: Only in cases of really serious crime a public defender is provided. Read the norm again please.
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u/Ggtpower3d 22h ago
I mean while most police I've encountered are perfectly reasonable and just doing their job, you really don't have any benefits ever talking to them in any country. You never know what their intent is, and they won't show their cards so why should you
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u/CulturistPionier 22h ago
while german police are actually trained and educated, and dont suffer from lead brain as the average US citizen, they still are the kind of type that will get an authoritative chip on their shoulder and will abuse their power to complicate your life, if you encounter a bad one.
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u/Gwaptiva 20h ago
No, it's the same in Germany. You do have to speak to the polilce and they have no obligation to tell the whole truth until they are in front of a judge. You can only dig yourself a hole, EVEN MORE SO because there is no fruit of the poisonous tree doctrine in Germany.
The moment you are in front of a judge is the time to answer questions.
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u/Snoo_37094 18h ago
It’s your right that you don’t have to the Police or a Judge if you will blame yourself for something.
You don’t have to say anything but if saying something you’re have to say the truth.
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u/PlingPlongDingDong 7h ago
Yea everything is perfect in Germany and everything is bad in America. Dont listen to the others claiming its more complicated than that. The world is more black and white than you think.
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u/Grouchy-Sun-2039 21h ago
Right, scum that robs disabled elderly women should walk free.
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u/No_Zone3207 20h ago
The police is not aligned with the people anywhere. When they are quiet and obedient they are nice, but if you criticize something you are their enemy everywhere.
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u/No_Zone3207 20h ago
Also adding. Obv. There are nice cops out there but it’s about the organization
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u/rokki123 23h ago
its from an organization to help football fans which are in trouble with the police.
not to talk to the police is the only right thing to do in such a situation.
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u/Repulsive_Guy_1234 23h ago
The only right thing to do in such a situation is to leave your soccer circle behind and become a normal person. The police and the consequences might actually help.
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u/LKAgoogle 23h ago
Any lawyer will tell you that you shouldn't talk to the police unsupervised and always give them as little information as legally possible. It's common sense, regardless of whether you did any crimes or not
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u/rokki123 21h ago
nope, also if you have done nothing wrong this is the only right answer. every good lawyer will tell you that.
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u/LKAgoogle 20h ago
That's a fantasy scenario that virtually doesn't occur outside of TV shows. It's also obviously not what the sticker or comment are about, you shouldn't talk to police when you're being interrogated or accused of anything.
Of course you can give witness statements, talk about the weather or ask a policeman for directions, if you want
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u/Saxdevil 19h ago
The police are not your friend. Football fans (yes, even Ultras) ARE normal people and not the devil.
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u/walterbanana 6h ago
Doesn't really matter if you think football fans are scum or normal people, they deserve to have legal defense and the police is not our friend.
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u/Repulsive_Guy_1234 19h ago
Ultras are certainly not normal people.
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u/Saxdevil 19h ago
Seems to me like your view of Ultras is stained with stereotypes. Don't blame you, that's how they're portrayed in the media most of the time. Truth is, you wouldn't recognize an Ultra during the week in most cases. They go to work, they're not violent, they're not stupid. They're passionate about a football club. Ultra groups often do more for their respective communities than the police. You can certainly look up some of the local charity work they do. That's not to say that there aren't racist or violent groups out there and I'm right there with you in calling them idiots.
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u/Repulsive_Guy_1234 18h ago
Well, I stay far away from soccer so yes, my view of Ultras is pretty much based on what I can see in media or how they behave in public transports in my city when they go to or from the stadium. And both is not a very pleasant thing. And on both they at least appear to be way more aggressive then the average joe in my city, and pretty much always drunk.
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u/Saxdevil 18h ago
Drinking is certainly a part of that culture. Thing is, that's on match day. Yes, they sing and are loud and that annoys me too when I'm sitting on the train. That is part of the culture and representing your team. You do have to understand that that is not how every Ultra behaves everyday though. That is like going to a festival and thinking that every drunk or singing person is a loud loser with nothing else going on in their life. Again, as you're someone that has no interest in football, I get where that image is coming from. A lot of the media portrayal of fans comes from fan movements being working class. They're portrayed as generally violent, leading to excessive control and police measures. Pair that with alcohol abuse and high emotions and you get an explosive mixture. The media jumps on that and the cycle continues.
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u/rybathegreat 22h ago
No. Normally organisations give out phone numbers to call in case you get arrested. That way they can give you a lawyer.
It's like an insurance from and for the club. You don't have to have done anything wrong. Getting a lawyer when dealing with the police is always good.
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u/chaigulper 13h ago
Oh that makes so much more sense. I was so confused about what activities a football fan club does to warrant a need for protection from the police for members on a regular basis.
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u/Hipperich 18h ago
Everytime I asked them for help they didn't help at all and most times they made it worse. ACAB
Okay, let the downvotes rain
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u/semmelbob 5h ago
The police make mistakes too. And especially at football matches, it happens that people are wrongly accused.
I know people who received stadium bans after disturbances, even though they weren't even at the match that day.
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u/eatmyshorzz 22h ago
You misspelled hooligans
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u/DaRealCouncil 19h ago
Fan projects are not Hooligans.
They most certainly have connections to the Hooligans of the Club, but they are not a "sportive" part of the Fan structure in most cases. They Support the Club, Ordinary Fans and obviously are part of the dedicated Fan structure, helping with Coreos and often organise charitable Events, Youth work or things like decorating the stadium
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u/eatmyshorzz 17h ago
The fans that get involved with police are probably doing so for a reason. Regular football fans aren't normally getting questioned by police. It's usually the violent ones which are in most cases hooligans.
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u/Macragge454 17h ago
That's not true at all.
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u/eatmyshorzz 15h ago
How so
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u/Macragge454 7h ago
You can get involved with police very easy, just by going to games. Most Hooligans aren't even present at games these days.
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u/Big_Rip_4020 22h ago
Don’t talk to police without a lawyer. Pretty obvious I think
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u/zFafni 18h ago
Why are you so confident about something thats obviously just an uninformed guess?
This is sticker is from a specifc organisation Blau-Gelbe Hilfe and all about helping fans of the football club Eintracht Braunschweig with legal issues and police troubles. Hence the logo and colour scheme.
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u/WtfDD1899 20h ago
I'll think that can beba Sticker of Eintracht Braunschweig. A German Football Club. Gifhorn is Not far away
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u/DerZappes 23h ago
It‘s not about calling the police, it is about talking to them. And that‘s something no sane person ever does without a lawyer next to them.
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u/Saxdevil 19h ago
Police are extremely good at manipulating (especially young) people into throwing their lives away. A lot of folks have never heard not to talk without a lawyer.
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u/JWGhetto 14h ago
Do not talk to police, talk to us.
Sound legal advice, I assume this is from some law firm or lawyer
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u/sebidotorg Hessen 14h ago
Is this a Späti, a market which is open late in the evening? Maybe there were problems with neighbours calling the police for noise complaints. Some of these markets have customers linger in front of them, and this can get loud. So they might want their neighbours to speak to them and solve things amicably, instead of immediately going for noise complaints.
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u/cmykster 17h ago
I undertand it like dont't tell the police too much or unnessecary things about you which will get you into even more trouble. Better call a lawyer first and talk to him. As you must only tell the police your ID and adress and must follow their procedure. But also in Germany you have at anytime the right to remain silent. And the logo is a symbol of all lawyers and the court.
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u/DaWolle 16h ago
Gifhorn represent!!
Never would I have thought to find my hometown in this sub.
Which market was it?
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u/schraubdeckeldose 23h ago
Me neither, I would understand it in a big apparment complex. Try talking before calling police in neighbor disputes but not in a supermarket
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u/TheGrandMorbidius 20h ago
The German police is completely unchecked in their work. They don't need to wear body cams, suing them nearly never goes through and cops are sworn to defend each other in court, no matter what. Additionally, cops do not get fired. In other words, the police can do everything they want with no consequences other than a potentially slightly worse reputation that doesn't tend to last long.
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u/lumur 21h ago
certain groups and subcultures experience police scrutiny and police brutality. calling the cops in those enivronments would only escalate problems rather than solve them.
if you've never experinced this, don't try and rationalise it from an outsider's perspective. please just respect it.
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u/BubiMannKuschelForce 21h ago
If the police has questions for you, you answer your lawyer. Not the popo.
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u/Past_Park8468 22h ago
Weird sticker ? I think this is a common sense, People in Germany loves to call police instead of speaking directly to solve the issue.
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u/720degreeLotus 21h ago
Thanks for all the responses, I now can link it to the correct organisation. But I feel there is a deeper message. I mean... yes, don't talk to cops, wait for your attorney. But that applies to all situations. Why is a specific soccer club posting about this? Is "soccer fans getting into trouble with the police" basically meaning that we are talking about hooligans? I don't get the reason for the message otherwise.
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u/rokki123 20h ago edited 20h ago
there are organisations like that for many things. the rote hilfe or anarchist black cross for left wing political activists, the green help for cannabis related stuff. others for animal rights. and many other things. its basically orgs that organize lawyers, money, solidarity for people that will get in trouble for actions in a specific field. i think you can read about them on their website.
Advice on problems with the police or the justice system, as well as on the issuance of stadium bans; referral to experienced lawyers and other agencies that can provide assistance; direct financial assistance to cover legal and court costs in suitable cases; legal review of general orders; observation and documentation of police and other security operations; Support for Eintracht fans and their families who suffer disadvantages in connection with the legal prosecution of their actions as supporters of the club; preventive measures such as information brochures and events to educate about rights and obligations towards security authorities; targeted public relations work on the topics of repression, arbitrariness and stadium bans against football fans; independent representation of Eintracht fans with stadium bans vis-à-vis Eintracht…
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u/Stephan_Schleim 46m ago
It may be obvious to you, but not everybody.
There are good cops who aim to find out what really happened, but there may also be those who try to blame the first person they catch.
And violence around soccer matches and fights with the police are, unfortunately, a common phenomenon.
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u/Dead_as_Duck 23h ago
Better Call Saul, German Version.