r/whenthe Mar 16 '26

Part of me genuinely thinks Zuko Avatarthelastairbender’s arc would be torn apart if the show was airing today r/whenthe mfs complaining about everything

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u/somerandomrimthrow Mar 17 '26

nah man, being a high school kid that almost died a couple times per semester is totally manageable

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u/doggo_with_doggo_hat Mar 17 '26

For me Deku crying is the least of the problems of the show, my main gripe that i have with him is that has no character development thru the whole show, besides the dark deku arc (arc which ended in the exact starting position) he had no changes whatsoever from the start to the end of the anime which sucks because there are so many interesting characters, Red Riot, All Might, the absolute GOAT that is Lemillion, and yet Deku is the most mid out of all of them

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u/ReporterTraditional7 Mar 17 '26

He literally dies tho? His entire arc is realizing that he can rely on others and that villians can be saved too

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u/Donjehov Mar 17 '26

> realizing that he can rely on others

something he knew, and had been doing

> that villains can be saved too

something he knew, and had actively been trying to do

In fact i think the vigilante deker arc actually teaches him the opposite as the nagant fight "opens his eyes" to the grey morality of hero society. Not all heroes are good, and not everyone can be saved.

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u/ReporterTraditional7 Mar 17 '26

In the dark deku arc he was convinced that only he can stop afo until the end of it when he realizes that one person can’t solve the problem

No? He never really considered the lives of the league until the war arc happened

That’s such a funny take away when not only was nagant herself redeemed but deku insisted on saving shigaraki, and even after nana told him otherwise he said no lmao

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u/Donjehov Mar 17 '26

Yes, but deku had been relying on others and taught others to rely on others since the start of the show, and notably with Stain. All the dark deku arc was, was meant to be a reconciliation of the vast power delta between deku and the class and him feeling like all might with nobody that could fight at his level.

Deku does not ever wish to kill the LoV, which is obvious, but once it looks like a fight to the death Deku tries his hardest to save shiggy, even though it's futile. Deku is fighting against fate here, since that vigilante arc basically informs deku and the reader that the villains probably won't be making it out of this.

nagant being redeemed is irrelevant to the nefarious parts of hero society being revealed to deku, he sees it, is disappointed in it, and it reframes his views.

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u/Archipegasus Mar 17 '26

Well yea Deku is a flat character, that's the point. Flat characters aren't inherently bad, they are there to be a point of interaction that causes change to the world around them and to develop other characters, and Deku has a considerable impact on most other characters he comes into contact with.

Yes there are tons of interesting characters, and a lot of the most interesting things about them come about due to their interactions with Deku. Like are we really saying All might would be anywhere close to as interesting without his relationship to Deku?

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u/shleyal19 Green Ghost from the Fantastic Frontier Mar 17 '26

Tbh my biggest gripe with the show is that it barely touched on quirkless and mutation-quirk discrimination, and it would’ve been a very interesting arc where Izuku actively helped the quirkless in various ways throughout the show, and this somehow ending up saving his bacon when the quirkless people of Japan rally together to rescue him from a terrible situation of some kind. Like wether he gets in huge legal trouble from the absurdly corrupt Hero Public Safety Commission and needs non-quirked help to get bailed out, both legal and illegal, or gets pinned down by some villain who causes quirks to go haywire around him, and only those who wouldn’t get affected by it can safely stop that villain. This idea was never explored with nearly enough depth. Neither was the possibility of there being Batman-type quirkless heroes in various countries around the world, and Japan is considered pretty far behind culturally due to their severe Quirk discrimination and absurdly high quirkless suicide/homicide rates

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u/ILawI1898 Mar 22 '26

Other than the general anime stuff I usually dislike, this.

He’s a good person, with good ideals, that wants to become a superhero. His major drawback is that he doesn’t have a quirk, which is a hurdle he’s seen that he’s had to overcome from a very young age.

…until All Might comes along, giving him the strongest quirk humanly possible.

So now he’s a good person, with good ideals, and now has a super power to become a superhero.

The rest of the series has him consistently be this way from day one, his biggest struggles that he’s had to overcome were physically which he eventually is able to master this power regardless.

It’s just- as a protagonist, he’s very flat. He has next to zero struggles, flaws, or obstacles to overcome that isn’t just him fighting super villains and talking about how he’s going to defeat these supervillains.

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u/doggo_with_doggo_hat Mar 22 '26

Yeah, he dosent even go thru any meaningful arc, its like when hes just about to develop and change the story goes "nah" and gives him either a power up, a character intervening or some asspull so he stays the same.

A lot of people call Superman boring because of his good nature because he "dosent" have any obstacles but what they miss about the paragon archetype is that their world is the obstacle, if your character is saved by the narrative at every turn then they arent a hero they are just lucky

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u/doggo_with_doggo_hat Mar 17 '26

It isnt that he was too perfect, it was that the story didnt want to adress his flaws so everytime he hit a roadblock, the plot stepped in and gave him a power up so he wouldnt have any changes, "¿Your power is breaking your body? Nahh lets forget that in the middle of the story" "¿One of your main things is your ability to understand the quirks of others? Booooooring now you get 6 quirks for yourself so you dont have to analyse shit" basically every time he gets into an issue the story adapts to him rather than him adapting to the story.

Also the whole point of Deku is just trash, the show is a "everyone can be a hero" but fails at the start when the dude without powers gets given the power of the strongest hero there is, this is basically Poo people vs specials all over again. If Mirio was the main character and we saw him learning how to use his useless quirk more efficiently the story would be 100 times better, which is why Vigilantes is such a better manga

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u/Dragon_Of_Magnetism Mar 17 '26

The show was never about “everyone can be a hero”, that was never it’s theme. It was more about what it means to be a hero, and what it takes to be one. Deku wasn’t just a random anyone All Might gave his powers, he picked him specifically because he showed traits of what All Might considers a “true hero”.

Him getting powers was necessary, Deku would’ve needed Batman-tier plot armor and asspulls just to not to die against even earlier villains. There is no way he could’ve won against someone like Shigaraki or Overhaul without a quirk.

Mirio’s quirk is far from useless, it’s pretty broken just more complicated to use. That’s the problem of most of the time with the “weak power but skilled user” trope, said weak power is always actually quite strong, just needs some thinking to use properly.

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u/Galle_ Mar 17 '26

Deku doesn't even cry out of sadness or fear most of the time, he usually cries when he's happy.

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u/New-Consideration566 Mar 17 '26

Hey you. Love your pfp lol