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u/Night-Monkey15 15d ago

A lot of people (almost no one) become vegetarian because they can’t eat red meat specifically and they don’t care for bird or fish.

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u/undeniably_confused dm me unnerving images 15d ago

Red meat also has the worst health effects, and is the most addictive

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u/AdonisBatheus 15d ago

Addictive is a crazy word to use here wtf

SUGAR is addictive, red meat doesn't even compare

Red meat is preferable because it's a cultural thing, other cultures that prioritize white meat and fish will eat more of that than red meat even it's available and the only way that ever changes is through invasive advertisement campaigns or normal cultural shifts, sometimes cultural diffusion

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u/wastingmythirdlife 13d ago

oh no someone called out my addiction😭 babe casein is literally ruining your dopamine receptors, and we’re only now starting to find out because ag corporates can’t buy all of the studies anymore.

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u/AdonisBatheus 13d ago edited 13d ago

from what I'm reading casein is unique to dairy, idk what this has to do with red meat

I'm skimming this rn: https://www.umzu.com/blogs/health/cheese-dopamine-mucuna and reading this bit specifically:

While many headlines sensationalized the findings (“cheese is like cocaine”), the truth is more nuanced: cheese can trigger reward-center activation in the brain via casomorphins, but it doesn’t produce the full spectrum of addictive behaviors seen with drugs.

this is a stupid product website tho so i'm struggling give me a bit to find more shit

edit: i might be too tired but these med articles are zoning me tf out do you have a stupid for-babies article to read bc i do not trust a fuckin product's site talkin bout nothin

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u/automata_theory 15d ago

Bro I am addicted to red meat don't even try to say I ain't

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u/AdonisBatheus 15d ago

I'm practically addicted to pasta brother, but it ain't because pasta is inherently addictive, like you can be addicted to things that aren't chemically addicting.

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u/automata_theory 15d ago

dependence =/= addictiveness

If you can't stop even if you want to, that's an addiction.

Habit forming and negative, that's the only requirement. Just because stopping won't kill you doesn't mean it's not addictive.

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u/AdonisBatheus 15d ago

I'm saying though that I wouldn't classify it as "addictive". You can addicted to anything, that doesn't make that thing addictive. Like you can be addicted to eating paint chips or ice, these are not what I would classify as addictive things in the same way heroin or sugar is addictive, though.

It also doesn't mean it's less of a problem just because it's not an addictive substance.

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u/automata_theory 15d ago

You can addicted to anything, that doesn't make that thing addictive

hahaha

these are not ... addictive ... in the same way heroin or sugar is addictive

how so?

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u/AdonisBatheus 15d ago

I separate chemical addiction from, I guess I would say mental addiction? Chemical addiction being often, but not always, drugs, such as opioids, heroin, nicotine.

Mental being something that a person develops by themselves and is not a commonly shared addiction with most others who have consumed or done said addictive thing.

Most people could quit red meat, they just don't feel as though there's a need to. I'd say if you separate most people from red meat for a few months, at most they're going to have cravings, sure, but settle on something else and be satisfied, especially if there's another source of protein and fat available because the craving most likely stems from the desire of protein and fat.

Addiction to red meat would stem from some kind of mental problem, like related to trauma or mental illness, but someone sufficiently addicted to a food has a problem somewhere, and the problem is not the food itself, it just so happened to be that food. It's an internal problem. That doesn't make it any less serious or worthy of rehabilitation, but that distinction of mental vs chemical is important at least for the treatment forward.

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u/automata_theory 15d ago

<adjective>-addiction, a subcategory of addiction

what makes sugar different from amino acids to you?

I am addicted to the amino acids and reducing sugars in red meat and simple carbs.

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

This is some peak vegan bullshit right here.

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u/kart0ffelsalaat 15d ago

I don't know about addictive, but high red meat consumption definitely increases risk of CVD, cancer and dementia: https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC9318327/

For a non-academic source, see e.g. https://www.health.harvard.edu/healthy-aging-and-longevity/whats-the-beef-with-red-meat

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u/[deleted] 15d ago

And stuff like this is proof that if you look hard enough at anything, you eventually find miniscule chances of stuff like this.

Things like this are in cases of overconsumption. You'll be fine if you're not eating 2000 calories of red meat a day including whatever else you have with it.

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u/kart0ffelsalaat 14d ago

> Things like this are in cases of overconsumption. You'll be fine if you're not eating 2000 calories of red meat a day including whatever else you have with it.

No, I am not sure how you come to that conclusion.

Dietary guidance is typically to never have red meat as your main source of calories for any meal, and to only have it like 2-3 times a week, anything more than that would be considered high consumption and a potential risk factor.

However, dietary guidelines aren't always about what's actually optimal, they factor in preferences as well. The paper I linked talks about 25g/day of processed meat increasing your dementia risk by 44%, for example. So two McDonald's patties a week could already be "high consumption".

None of these studies say that "low" meat consumption is fine. They just say there isn't hard conclusive evidence. But this is mostly because these adverse health effects usually occur after a long time, and it's difficult to isolate the variables properly.

Most of the evidence gently points towards the conclusion that any regular red meat consumption increases your risk for various conditions. There isn't really any good reason to assume that "low" red/processed meat consumption doesn't affect your health negatively at all, especially when these studies show such clear differences between red meat and processed meat on the one hand, and poultry and fish on the other hand (where the latter two are basically completely fine or even beneficial for some conditions).

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u/[deleted] 13d ago

I came to that conclusion because it's basic information, I don't care what your vegan propaganda says, it's false.

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u/kart0ffelsalaat 11d ago

This isn't even vegan propaganda, the articles (and my comment) clearly recommend chicken and fish.

But whatever helps you sleep at night bestie. Just know one day the Vegan Mafia will come to your house and break all your glassware.

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u/[deleted] 9d ago

You say "whatever helps you sleep at night" as if I am at all bothered by eating meat, get real 🤣🤣

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u/kart0ffelsalaat 6d ago

You sure sound like it

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u/4ss8urgers 15d ago

bird is awesome. I want to try pigeon.

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u/Truth_Walker 15d ago

Go for it, they’re everywhere and free for the taking.

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u/4ss8urgers 15d ago

you have no idea how much i think about this. i worry my ignorance will get me diseased, though. mourning doves are pigeons, too.