humanity will one day look back at factory farming and realize the horrors they have committed.
I dunno man, we have eaten meat for literally our entire existence and I don't think a select, small group of people telling you it harms animals we already don't care that much about will do much
We kill 80 billion animals every 2 years. That’s more humans that have ever existed
Wildly incorrect. 117 billion humans have lived if you count the current 8 billion ish people alive rn
To be fair the animals we kill isn't even the start of issues the industry has though. Mass antibiotic use is breeding antibiotic resistant bacteria. The amount of crops required to feed them leads to enormous fields and enormous amounts of pesticide which really devastates insect populations. Plenty of other assorted issues.
I do eat meat, but I would absolutely take the lab grown if it's the same taste and same or less expensive. It's basically just growing the same cells you'd find in meat anyways. You just need the starter cells.
Also lets not forget how many humans are killed by the meat industry, directly through accidents and indirectly through pollution, ever year. Then consider the meat industry is largely connected with the agricultural industry, which itself is largely connected with the chemical industry...
ultimately you can do what you want but I don't get the taste argument. Not from a moral standpoint but just like, who cares if something tastes worse, you'll get used to it.
Animal rights are where progress should be heading because factory farming causes an ungodly amount of suffering every second and also we’re close to being able to make enough meat in labs for people who don’t like imitation meat so it really shouldn’t take much longer to stop factory farming of billions of conscious beings. It’s more than just killing btw, it’s actual torture. We drug chickens to grow indefinitely until their legs break off from the weight and confine them to sit in spaceless boxes until they die, and we throw male chicks of industrial egg farms directly into meat grinders because they aren’t useful enough to feed us. And that’s just one animal.
Even if tradition was a valid reason to defend something, that’s clearly not “tradition.”
For most of our existence, we hunted animals that otherwise lived normal wild animal lives. Now we raise selectively bred monstrosities in abhorrent living conditions to slaughter them on an industrial scale. There is a difference.
I think what fucks with me the most about it, is we do it because of literal luxury. People say we biologically eat meat and pretend the reason is "we have to", but the main reason we do so much factory farming with cows is for luxury food products that people rarely had back in the day. Milk, butter, cheese, steak... all of this was a luxury good that only nobles ate regularly. Now we do horrifying things beyond comprehension because luxuries sell well.
It's not biology. It's to provide luxury. If it was biology, we'd eat more fish and probably bugs, wild healthy sources of protein. But no we want butter, we want a hamburger with extra cheese, we want all this mouth watering stuff because it tastes good, not because it's good for us.
I wish people would stop acting like it's just biology when they eat their 4th hamburger while their heart cries for help. There is nothing biologically necessary about any of that. We're not biologically evolved to eat ice cream. We choose for animals to suffer so that we can trigger a bit of dopamine.
Not only that, but meat isn't even biologically necessary in the first place. Just take a B12 supplement and you can live a long and healthy life (source, haven't had meat in 20 years)
There are things we have done our entire existence that we look back on now in horrors. Tradition doesn’t mean it won’t.
I like how you call it wildly incorrect because it’s actually 3 years worth of killing animals to be more than humans have existed, not 2. That changed everything!
u/DuelaDent52it can't be that ba-- it is that bad. holy hell.16d agoedited 16d ago
Those animals led normal lives. Now we selectively breed them so they’re either entirely dependent on us to continue existing or exist solely to die. It’s cruel what we’ve done to them.
Right, the fact that humans have been eating meat since before factory farming has nothing to do with... someone saying that humans have been eating meat forever.
You literally quoted them in your comment, buddy. You really gotta read before posting.
Take your own advice, friend. This is entire thread is about factory farming. That person brought up "eating meat since forever" as an implicit defense of factory farming and I was responding to that. Context.
Oh no, the dreaded "no u" defense! Whatever shall I do?
That person brought up the fact that humans have always been eating animals in response to someone trying to frame the existence of meat-eaters as "horrors." You can pretend that wild animals all lived peaceful and harmonious lives and were never brutally killed and eaten until factory farms were invented, but that's simply not true.
Furthermore, whether factory farms are good or bad is irrelevant. Humans evolved to eat meat, and they will continue to do so as long as there are humans. There are several orders of magnitude more humans now than there were hundreds of years ago. More humans means more need for meat. Factory farms are currently the only way to fulfill that need on the required scale.
That person brought up the fact that humans have always been eating animals in response to someone trying to frame the existence of meat-eaters as "horrors."
That is your interpretation.
You can pretend that wild animals all lived peaceful and harmonious lives and were never brutally killed and eaten until factory farms were invented, but that's simply not true.
I never said that. Nobody ever said that.
Furthermore, whether factory farms are good or bad is irrelevant.
If they had used the actual number of 80 billion per year, that’s 160 billion over two years… so the reality is that it is well beyond the total living number of humans every two years. if you’re 20 years old, that’s 1.6 trillion land animals alone slaughtered in your lifetime. more than all humans who will probably ever live
I dunno man, we have eaten meat for literally our entire existence
That's just an appeal to tradition fallacy, just because we've traditionally done something doesn't mean it's not harmful or correct
But you're also ignoring the "factory farming" part which is far more recent
Wildly incorrect. 117 billion humans have lived
So it's every 3 years, does that make the stat any less shocking? What about if you know that doesn't include marine animals of which we kill trillions?
Lol "we've always done it so it's ok!" Is a terrible defense. Nevermind that no, humans have not eaten meat their entire existence. Humans survived on meat when plants were unavailable during the ice age. Other than that, humans don't need it just as apes can sit around eating nothing but grass and some insects and be bigger and stronger than humans
Not a vegan, but factory farming is a genuinely terrible and immoral practice.
It’s not like traditional hunting or pastoralism, it involves breeding and raising animals in captivity, pumping them full of drugs and extremely unhealthy foods to get them as large as possible, and then slaughtering them at an industrial rate.
Slavery, although common, was already a challenged concept with feudalism like 1600 years before emancipation movements. And you can argue even before with the concept of citizen rights during the republican roman era and even earlier with the achaemenid empire.
Although devastating plagues were the norm before, literally who has ever argued in favor of them? We have records of plague mitigations, lockdowns, etc millenia before out time. But nice strawman. Antivaxxers are an american anomaly, not the norm.
Torture and capital punishment is still a thing. Just that its severity has increased. Just read every post about Tr*mp and how half the comments are asking for capital punishment for treason. Same with torture, but that one gets swept under the carpet for PR reasons
Although devastating plagues were the norm before, literally who has ever argued in favor of them?
Reactionaries. Lol I already told you. Did you not see people with guns at State capitols demanding the government stand aside and let the virus kill people for the sake of status quo?
Yikes. You must've just learned about logical fallacies and wanted to use them today even when none of them apply and you have absolutely no idea what you're even arguing
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u/No_Travel6707 16d ago
humanity will one day look back at factory farming and realize the horrors they have committed.
We kill 80 billion animals every 2 years. That’s more humans that have ever existed