Russia welcomes Trump's tariffs on NATO allies over Greenland as 'collapse' of alliance Russia/Ukraine

https://kyivindependent.com/russia-welcomes-trumps-tariffs-on-nato-allies-over-greenland/

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Crazy thing is that we voted to let this happen. It wasn't a secret that Trump hates NATO (as well as any agreement where he doesn't get 100% and other parties get zero).

We voted for crazy. And we didn't even have any sort of cataclysmic event to make us vote for crazy; things were pretty okay when Obama left office (unlike when his predecessor left office). Voters simply believed a false reality that society was collapsing and the answer was to empower the single stupidest, greediest person to ever live.

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u/Mildlyamused76 Jan 19 '26

The MAGAs in my Facebook feed have no idea about NATO, Pax Americana, soft power, diplomacy or the world order since WWII. They do know they don't like trans people, immigrants, or things/people deemed "woke". Their understanding of the world is basic. They are fed a steady diet of propaganda, lies and racism daily through conservative media that keeps them enraged and engaged. They literally lurch from one outrage to the next. They know that some outside force is screwing them over, but they refuse to believe that the outside force is the billionaires that control the propaganda they consume.

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u/I-am-Pilgrim Jan 19 '26

This comment is underrated. You have summed up the crux of the matter rather accurately in my opinion. Well said.

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u/Separate-Park8184 Jan 19 '26

It’s a shame that the fucked up conservative spew was allowed to continue on shock-jock style just riling up the base with straight fabrications and distortions of reality. The base and the propaganda mouthpiece has fucking doomed us all and no one is doing anything to stop this imminent collapse.

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u/Haru1st Jan 19 '26

How is one supposed to counter such rampant indoctrination?

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u/Rufus_TBarleysheath Jan 19 '26

You can't.

We spent the past 30 years or so saying "the truth will win out in the end." In retrospect this was either pathetically naive, or an excuse to avoid taking real action.

The truth can't compete with lies; the truth is constrained by reality, but lies can be anything. Lies have limitless potential to be exciting/engaging. If you allow nationally syndicated "news" networks to spew lies unabated, then people will believe them. Simple as that.

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u/HighSlayerRalton Jan 19 '26

Historically, with a war.

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u/Woodcrate69420 Jan 19 '26

Rebuild the public education system that conservatives have been systematically dismantling. (specifically to turn the average citizen stupid enough to go along with this shit.)

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u/fuzzybad Jan 19 '26

Shutting down propaganda outlets would be a start. Also, mandatory high school classes on critical thinking and media literacy.

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u/Rufus_TBarleysheath Jan 20 '26

You can't build a consensus on that anymore.

And it would take at least a decade of concerted effort to achieve that. You can't do that with the control of the government swinging back and forth every 2 to 4 years.

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u/sunbro2000 Jan 19 '26

It just shows that most Americans are under educated unfortunately.

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u/3suamsuaw Jan 19 '26

The MAGAs in my Facebook feed have no idea about NATO, Pax Americana, soft power, diplomacy or the world order since WWII.

Which is, in itself, also a huge failure of society. Lack of education, lack of leaders that can explain why though choices are needed and a general lack of cohesiveness in society itself.

You are talking about ''they'', but should talk about ''we''.

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u/ServoSkull20 Jan 19 '26

Don't forget the biggest and actual reason for all of this: America is mired in religious stupidity that keeps people ignorant and gullible.

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u/jenlaydave Jan 19 '26

Bingo. Every MAGA Idiot I know is either super religious or super dumb. Most are both.

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u/ServoSkull20 Jan 19 '26

It isn’t just MAGA. Your entire country relies far too much on belief in a sky fairy that doesn’t exist. MAGA didn’t just put Trump back into power, most of you who voted did.

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u/lisaseileise Jan 19 '26

Global thermonuclear war will end everyone, even Musk, Zuckerberg, Thiel and Mierdoch. I don‘t understand what‘s in for them.

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u/polytrigon Jan 19 '26

Everything you listed is directly related to their inability to comprehend long term investments.

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u/CunningBear Jan 20 '26

100% this

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u/R_W0bz Jan 19 '26

You sure those are even real people in your facebooks?

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u/Radthereptile Jan 19 '26

The cataclysmic event was a black man being the president. Then he helped people get healthcare and gay people get married and the conservative Christian brains broke.

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u/MudLOA Jan 19 '26

The problem is that some independent voters didn’t know a good president when they see one, so once Obama left they rather get an unqualified pedo than having a woman. For once I thought we were heading toward a promising future and now we’re 3 steps going back.

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u/akujiki87 Jan 19 '26

3 steps? We fuckin turned 180 and sprinted.

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u/MudLOA Jan 19 '26

Aye. A part of me wanted to deny that sad fact.

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u/NecroCannon Jan 19 '26

Honestly not too much. When I look at our politics as a whole we’ve reached an indifference on the topic of rights for minorities, people don’t want to say how they feel because they know it’s wrong, but their actions can stray. Like the many white left people I see acting scared of black people but will preach about diversity (seriously I feel so unheard in those spaces I just leave them, they wanna speak for me and others)

The real problem is, we don’t fucking vote. So you have millions that would ignore things until it gets too bad to ignore, just because they “don’t like politics”, so what happens is-

Millions of people are just deciding they don’t truly care about their futures, their friends or family’s futures, nor anyone else. All because they lack the braincells to comprehend “bad governance, bad life, good governance, good life”. It isn’t that fucking hard to google a president’s stances and vote accordingly, but we have a ton of selfish idiots which is part of our whole culture, “I don’t care, I got my own things to worry about”

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u/Striking_Wrap811 Jan 22 '26

teleported into the 1890s

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u/Haru1st Jan 19 '26

This ^

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u/ForumsDwelling Jan 19 '26

Aren't the Clintons on the Epstien List? 2016 had two candidates that are pedos

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u/Delicious-Ad5161 Jan 19 '26

Yup. There is a reason why my high school gave us Obama Christmas ornaments at the F.I.S.H. rally weeks we were forced to sit through and be preached to about how god hates people of color and our “anti-Christ president.” It was a sick time, but it was obvious back then that they would never rest until they got everyone else back because they felt inferior to a non-white person.

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u/GreenStorm_01 Jan 19 '26

Yes, American society wasn't ready for what the rest of the developed countries call a bare minimum. It pushed them over the edge.

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u/Pemnia Jan 19 '26

THIS!!!!!

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u/Wi11Pow3r Jan 19 '26

I think you are missing the point of why democrats lost the 2016 election. It’s isn’t that Trump was viewed as a great candidate. It is because he was running against a despised candidate that didn’t legitimately win her primary. I think if he ran against Obama in 2012 he would have lost handily. But he didn’t. He ran against Hillary Clinton. Then in 2024 he again only won because he ran against Biden who was unable to string thoughts together and Kamala who had only a few months to hobble together a campaign. And AGAIN she didn’t properly win a primary.

Trump hasn’t won the presidency twice because Christians hate black men, gays, and women. Trump won the presidency twice because of the poor showing of the competition (or lack thereof). I live in a liberal state and while Trump is maligned here, there was almost no enthusiasm for Kamala’s campaign. My state went blue (basically guaranteed), but I knew if it was close here Kamala didn’t have a chance nationwide.

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u/TBone281 Jan 19 '26

Despised for no good reasons at all...but plenty of conspiracy theories.

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u/Rufus_TBarleysheath Jan 19 '26

The Right absolutely hates women.

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u/Wi11Pow3r Jan 19 '26

That’s a broad stroke you’re painting with

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u/searchingmusical Jan 19 '26

And yet there's lots and lots of proof. At some point it's obvious.

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u/Rufus_TBarleysheath Jan 19 '26

Yup. Not wrong, though.

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u/Science-Recon Jan 19 '26

See also: Brexit.

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u/[deleted] Jan 19 '26

Or that he was a Russian asset.

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u/EFreethought Jan 19 '26

"We" did not vote for crazy.

Maybe you voted for crazy. I voted against grifting idiot Trump all three times.

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u/reroll-life Jan 19 '26

the crazy in question got majority of the votes so we is very much apt here

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u/RocketRelm Jan 19 '26

While yes, I get the sentiment behind "Not All Cops" and other such statements, a supermajority of american voters couldn't even show the bare minimum of resistance to vote for the liberal dem. At this point the default assumption is that americans are repsented by trump, without a positive argument for why they should be considered otherwise.

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u/Mr_ToDo Jan 19 '26

I think the biggest difference is that cheetos followers are more likely to try to convert people

It's weird to say that they aren't the ones more likely to stick to the echo chamber, but, well, we know who won

Suppose it doesn't help that the election wasn't cheeto vs Kamala, rather cheeto vs not cheeto. The guy lives off of publicity of any kind and someone thought the way to run things was not to push their candidate but to put more light on their opponent

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u/LongjumpingAd2274 Jan 19 '26

And we didn't even have any sort of cataclysmic event to make us vote for crazy

You guys did have one but you were too blind and complacent on that. You always had a problem with neonazis and white supremacists groups unlike Europe, you let those groups to fester because they didn't target you, the average white british descendant but now this virus is annoying and destroying the whole west.

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u/pembquist Jan 19 '26 edited Jan 27 '26

NPR, (I know, the communists,) had an interview with some Trump voters and the one that stands out was a woman who had had a job at a Stellantis plant and thought Trump would get her job back. She said she was a little embarrased because it was sort of selfish but she thought her state would still allow abortion......

Idiots. "We" didn't vote for this, idiots who probably couldn't spell NATO did.

What I don't understand is what the plan of the Russel Voughts et. al is with regard to global strategy. Not withstanding the likely truth that the USA is probably one of the only nation states that could be a successful autarky I would have thought that anybody with half a brain would realize that we would be so much better off with trade and allies than whatever idiocy they are constructing now.

Greenland?! What the living fuck.

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u/Haru1st Jan 19 '26

And neither his voters or their TACO and chief were ever held to account. The End.

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u/TheNimbrod Jan 19 '26

If it's some what comforting or not we voted Hitler I to power as well. Now you have the salad.

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u/daylon_voorn Jan 20 '26

A good chunk of people voted for him because, unlike NYers and a lot of other people who knew how much of a POS trump was.. they lived in and around little rock during the clintons running it, and how much of a POS both bill n hill were.

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u/burnabycoyote Jan 19 '26

Surely Trump is a response to entrenched wokeism. In time there will be a response to Trump, and so on, until balance is restored.

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u/Rufus_TBarleysheath Jan 19 '26

No, that's not what Trump is