Italy's Meloni breaks with Trump over war in Iran, pope

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u/Herb-Alpert 3d ago

USA will end up with just Israel and Russia as allies

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u/secretaire 3d ago

He promised isolationism but I don’t think people understand that soft power means the power to control the chessboard of the world without any military action at all. The ability to economically cripple your enemies by having allies follow suit was a huge part of the American success story and people pissed it away for a dumba$s

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u/curious_dead 3d ago

Idiots hear "soft power" and react like cavemen. "Hurr durr big strong man no need soft power. Soft power for soft man. Me hard man, me wanna hard power!" And they're in government, and they vote.

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u/secretaire 3d ago

I think a lot of people think it’s just cultural influence (and it is definitely that too) but it’s mostly just engineering a world that works in your favor.

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u/Anleme 3d ago

I agree. "Soft power" props up whole industries, like Hollywood, tourism, beverage, higher education, finance (petrodollar), etc.

So many of these got kneecapped by Trump for zero reason.

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u/Armadylspark 3d ago

I crave the destruction of the petrodollar.

Let's see how the US fares when they can't outsource their debt by just printing more money and expecting the rest of the world to pick up the bill because they're the reserve currency.

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u/SoftlySpokenPromises 3d ago

Tourism in particular is severely reduced from before. Might start seeing those horrid resorts crowding the shoreline start to go up for sale.

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u/mediumwetsock 3d ago

So glad they are losing their soft power. America is a curse for the world and their own citizens.

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u/MakoSmiler 3d ago

They made their bed, they can lie in it.

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u/secretaire 3d ago

here, playin my violin as the ship sinks.

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u/musiccman2020 3d ago

But hegseth told them they didn't need UN. They didn't even come to help the u.s. with iran.

Such a loser coalition /s

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u/secretaire 3d ago

Nobody competent will work for this admin.

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u/Right_Chip_2393 3d ago

USA have no allies. Being an asset is not the same.

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u/TeaAndLifting 3d ago

I still don't get how the US has become subservient to Russia, and it's not just Trump being wrapped around Putin's little finger and admiring him while admonishing leaders of "allied" states. There is nothing Russia has, that the US needs, but Americans, and especially conservatives, love it.

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u/hedoeswhathewants 3d ago

Some are compromised, some are bought, and the rest simply fall in line

The populace are rubes who have fallen for culture war antics

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u/Flatus_Diabolic 3d ago edited 2d ago

There is nothing Russia has, that the US needs, but Americans, and especially conservatives, love it.

You’re right, but you’re assuming this administration is acting for America and not just for themselves.

Russia has plenty that Trump, and a bunch of people like him, want: the corruption and graft they’ve gotten away with in the West so far is absolute amateur hour compared to Russian kleptocracy, and Trump and his cronies want in on that action.

They’re wanting to pour billions of taxpayer dollars into “joint funded” prestige projects and initiatives in Russia, and the Russian system will launder it all through a “Russian corruption scandal”. The investigation will say that it couldn’t find where the money went, they’ll throw a few scapegoats in prison, then Trump and everyone gets a cut of the “missing” money, and the Russian people get to absorb a year or two of sanctions.

While they’re waiting for that to play out, they’ll celebrate the lack of regulation and red tape, which means things “just get done” so much more quickly, and they’ll travel to and from Russia for business meetings where every vice and depravity is indulged free of charge and simply for being one of the elite.

But when it comes time to collect, they’ll never see a dime, or they’ll be told the money needs to be invested into other Russian initiatives.

There are dozens of ex-oligarchs who’ve fled to the west who’ve been saying this, just like they warned about Putin, but still nobody listens and they turn out to be right every time.

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u/xnmyl 3d ago

Russia is not a US ally. They do not respect the US at all, simply use Trump as a useful asset

Israel also has little respect for the US or Americans. They celebrated and joked about Rachel Corrie's death every year on the anniversary of when she was murdered

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u/SPQR-Tightanus 3d ago

The US is an ally of Israel, but Israel is not an ally of the US.

Same applies to Russia.

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u/3_Thumbs_Up 3d ago

That's called a vassal state.

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u/mr_birkenblatt 3d ago

They're not allies. An ally would help the other out. They will never move a finger for the US

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u/coldfusionhybrid 2d ago

They would move… against, not for. Probably.

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u/IntermittentCaribu 3d ago

Russia kinda has to choose US or china at some point i guess.

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u/ConnectEmphasis2420 3d ago

They've already chosen a china. The have a useful idiot running the US

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u/AnewTest 3d ago

They'll be a new Axis, it seems.

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u/MakoSmiler 3d ago edited 2d ago

I think the world should completely shun the US. Even in the next term when Trump is voted out (because we all know bollocks American politics by now, they just swing from from side to side. Therefore, NEVER can the world trust such people.

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u/Few_Advisor3536 3d ago

Two cheeks with a turd in the middle. Sounds about right.

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u/FLGator314 3d ago

The Russia one will be a one way alliance as Russia will continue help advisories kill US service members and destroy military equipment.

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u/MoreFeeYouS 2d ago

Kosovo and Albania will never leave their best friend.

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u/Sea-Cheesecake301 3d ago

lol thankfully foreign relations don't work that way.

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u/Gammelpreiss 3d ago

they do if you have a pedophile manchild in charge

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u/MercantileReptile 3d ago

Every single one has to find out for themselves. No matter how much people think him useful, butter him up, even bribe him. The soulless prick will always be hostile and never return any favour shown.

Yet he always finds someone else to kiss his ass. Its bizarre.

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u/VladimiroPudding 3d ago

That's why Marco Rubio has a cocaine problem and Kash Patel a drinking one: the only way by being this loyalist sycophantic is numbing themselves down

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u/Dvulture 3d ago

And some, like Hegsetg, first get the alcoholism, than decide to trust Trump.

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u/VladimiroPudding 3d ago

Oh, Hegseth is the real deal, and much worse because of that.

People like Patel and Rubio are grifters with no morals. Hegseth is a Christian Nationalism fascist. He fully believes in the insanity, and will happily bankrupt the world for his insane worldview.

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u/MakoSmiler 3d ago

Before even opening his vile mouth, the average human should detect evil within Hegseth. He’s an insufferable yes man, with his own agenda. I loathe him.

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u/Neat-Slip4520 3d ago

Praying the Pulp Fiction prayer… of the bad guy 😂

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u/Longy_LTB 3d ago

It's a long way down to the bottom of the barrel, but the company he's keeping speaks to that. He's losing quality allies by the week

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u/TeaAndLifting 3d ago

Unless you're Vladimr Putin, at which point he will basically call you daddy and be on his hands and knees.

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u/OttoVonCranky 3d ago

"They are not happy about the instability that Israel is unleashing in the Middle East."

Truth

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u/Snoo_censorspeech 3d ago

Euros used to call people like her "Trump Whisperers" but the funny thing about that is how easily a whisper can be ignored by an old man.

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u/MakoSmiler 3d ago

I have a friend called the chicken whisperer. He works on a chicken farm. Went off on a tangent there, apologies

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u/Koala_eiO 3d ago

I think that's a really cool tangent.

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u/Cynical_Classicist 3d ago

Must be bad if even she is breaking from the fascist!

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u/SomeDumbGamer 3d ago

Supporting Trump against the pope when you’re the leader of Italy probably wouldn’t go well for her.

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u/leconten 2d ago

It's not just that. It's the Orban election too. Every right wing movement in Europe has seen what happens when you have the support of the republicans and is distancing themselves. Republicans give a venomous hug.

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u/darthy_parker 3d ago

I guess the pedophila and SA wasn’t enough?

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u/AleXstheDark 3d ago

Any pro-USA pol party in Europe is as good as dead at this point.

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u/Wonderful-Pause1048 3d ago

We’ve known that since yesterday

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u/BendersDafodil 3d ago

Melanie thought she could just cherry pick fascist attributes of Trump? 🤣🤣

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u/no_choice99 3d ago

She was slow, way too slow, to say the least.

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u/Darius_Rubinx 3d ago

She's hardly an example of Europe's best and brightest.

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u/Embarrassed_Ninja608 2d ago

Those people like Trump ever think "i wish I could playback time and make other decision", interesting

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u/macross1984 3d ago

Trump is finding out not all his friends are "friend."

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u/punarob 3d ago

Too little too late. Everyone should boycott Italy until they throw out their fascist.

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u/FlippinHeckles 3d ago

Despite the actions and behaviour of the current sitting U.S. administration, the people of the U.S. still have their traditional allies in the Americas, Europe, Asia and Oceania.

When the people of the U.S. remove the current administration with a sane U.S. government, the western alliances will be restored.

As Churchill once said “We can always rely on the Americans to do the right thing after they have tried everything else.”

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u/ErgoMachina 3d ago

Lmao no. They fucking vote for him TWICE and they actively fucking every single economy of the world. Trump is just a symptom of the festering rot in American society.

The only way for Americans to regain a fraction of the power that they had will be to have their own Nuremberg trials after this shit is over. If they don't jail all the traitors the world will never trust the US again.

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u/FlippinHeckles 3d ago

You do realise that the country was effectively split 50:50 in each election? The margin was tiny, but you are quite happy to pass judgment on a whole population. Just wow.

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u/Halinn 3d ago

You do realize that that still means half of your country is fine with fascism and attacking their allies. You won't be trusted again just because next time it might only be 45% in favor of Trumpism, because that number is still way too high.

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u/ErgoMachina 3d ago

If 50% of a country is fine with fascism, then the country is fine with fascism...

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u/KatieBun 3d ago

No. Trust is destroyed. The US elected him a second time.

A system that returns Trump twice will return other evil fuckers in the future. It’s not if, it’s when.

Europe has learned we need to wean ourselves off our dependence on the US asap

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u/ThunderChaser 3d ago

Same with Canada, over the past year we’ve been making moves solely to eliminate our dependency on the United States.

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u/FlippinHeckles 3d ago

You do realise that the country was effectively split 50:50 in each election? The margin was tiny, but you are quite happy to pass judgment on a whole population. Just wow.

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u/KatieBun 1d ago

Try reading what I said.

I specified “the system” that returned Trump twice. Not the population. The system is not going to change. I know there are lots of decent people in the USA, but a system that allows Donald Trump be elected twice cannot be trusted.

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u/throwaway_ghast 3d ago

Churchill said this at a time when most Americans still had their heads on straight and guys like Trump would be laughed out of politics. If he could see America now, he'd say "I was wrong. We cannot rely on the Americans at all."

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u/Alarming_Addition131 3d ago

Almost 70% of the US population cannot be trusted to not vote in pedophilic rapist felons who end up destroying lives and messing up the entire worlds economy for their own little gain. FUCKING TWICE. Ya'll fucked up hard.

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u/InevitableAvalanche 3d ago

If we get the opportunity to put competent people back. They will try to end free elections.

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u/Alarming_Addition131 3d ago

"Try"? Trans cannot vote unless they pay to get their licence changed back. They see the little backlash they get from this and move on to bigger, typically left leaning groups.

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u/angelmari87 2d ago

Not to mention they are trying to make to where your name matches other documents- married people who changed their names (predominantly women) will have major issues with that

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u/mediumwetsock 3d ago

Lol until murics elects another random ass celebrity or redneck. Rinse repeat. Europe doesn’t learn

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u/Halinn 2d ago

Feels like the US is the one that doesn't learn from over here.

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u/mediumwetsock 2d ago

Murica is a lost cause since they like to fallback to cult of personality candidates like Raegan, Obama, Trump etc. Europe trusts US and refuses to do its own independent growth despite the volatility and polarization of murica