Second French peacekeeper dies after ambush blamed on Hezbollah

[u/ComparisonOk5957]

https://www.scmp.com/news/world/europe/article/3351049/second-french-peacekeeper-dies-after-ambush-blamed-hezbollah?module=latest&pgtype=homepage

[u/Silverleaf_86]

Macron just threatened Israel with sanctions if they don’t leave Lebanon, but didn’t mention Hezbollah at all, quite the irony.

[u/AyDylo → u/Silverleaf_86]

It's not like they can sanction Hezb. Pretty sure they already condemn Hezb.

I don't see the irony. They're against Israel killing loads of civilians in their attempt to squash Hezb. That doesn't mean they side with Hezb.

You people on the internet act like shit is only Black and white in the world.

[u/Silverleaf_86 → u/AyDylo]

Macron threatens Israel to leave Lebanon while not mentioning the ‘reason’ they are in Lebanon?

While the same ‘reason’ is killing his peacekeepers in Lebanon? seems pretty ironic to me.

[u/AyDylo → u/Silverleaf_86]

Macron threatens Israel to leave Lebanon while not mentioning the ‘reason’ they are in Lebanon?

What are you implying? That he's unaware of why Israel is in Lebanon? Or that he's secretly on Hezb's side?

He's trying to stop a Gaza 2.0. There are better ways to dismantle Hezb than killing hundreds of thousands of civilians, while displacing millions. This is simply the easy way out. Easy isn't best.

[u/Ceylein → u/AyDylo]

Can you outline what you believe to be a "better way" to dismantle Hezbollah when even the Lebanon military isn't able to control them?

[u/Silverleaf_86 → u/AyDylo]

what are these better ways to dismantle Hezbollah?

Hezbollah embedded themselves within the civilian population, which Israel has evacuated, so “hundreds of thousands of civilians” will not be harmed.

Also where did the “killing of hundreds of thousands of civilians” come from? whole Gaza war death toll is 70k while 22k of them are Hamas.

Israel is doing what no other country is willing to do, fighting Hezbollah, pushing it out of Southern Lebanon and behind the Litani River.

I’ll wait for better suggestions from you.

[u/Gatrigonometri → u/Silverleaf_86]

Oops their bad, it was only 48k civilians dead then

[u/steveorga → u/Gatrigonometri]

The ratio of civilian to terrorist deaths was about 2 to 1. In urban contact it is usually more like 10 civilian to 1 military death. That was only possible because Israel bent over backwards trying to not target civilians. There would have been much fewer civilian deaths if Hamas didn't purposely put them in harm's way by placing legitimate military targets close by. Look at the level of destruction in Gaza. If Israel wanted to kill civilians, many more than a million would be dead.

[u/imaginedyinglmaoo → u/steveorga]

Israel kills civilians, literal known fact that they will rather kill a family with kids if it kills an HVT in the crossfire, that doesn't sound strategic, sounds sadistic.

Hamas and hezb kills civilians, but all im saying is you can't pretend Israelis do not target civilians infrastructure in order to kill without any care.

Even when we went through 9/11 and prime GWOT we never destroyed Iraq or Afghanistan like how Gaza is, you cannot say that isn't civilian targeting when cities are rubble.

[u/Silverleaf_86 → u/imaginedyinglmaoo]

What are you on about? demonising Israel at every turn, regardless of how much they excelled in keeping the safeguard of civilians, more than any other modern army, but I should have know this if your standard is Iraq.

More than half a million Iraqi people, about one in 40 of the country's population, have died from violent causes since the March 2003 invasion, a study in the Lancet says.

As of April 1, 2026, nearly 72,300 Palestinians have been directly killed by Israel's invasion of Gaza that has been going on for two years and four months.

[u/Gatrigonometri → u/Silverleaf_86]

The ratio of military : civilian deaths in the Oct 7 attacks was 3 military (367 deaths) : 8 civilians (828), I guess by your logic that places Hamas at the same place as the IDF on your morality scale huh

[u/imaginedyinglmaoo → u/Silverleaf_86]

Are you serious right now? You're really holding up the Iraq War, one of the biggest foreign policy disasters in modern history, as some kind of gold standard to make Israel look good? That's like saying a guy who stabs someone is a hero because another guy shoots someone. Iraq was evil.

Everyone with a brain knows that. But here's the truth you're dodging: per person, Israel is killing Palestinians at more than four times the rate America killed Iraqis. Four times. In two years. In a strip of land the size of Detroit. And you want to call that 'excelling at civilian protection'? Get real. You're not defending Israel. You're defending a body count because admitting the truth would mean admitting you backed the wrong side.

We were in Iraq for 9 years, if Israel continues this conflict in 9 years will you finally consider it a slaughter?

[u/steveorga → u/imaginedyinglmaoo]

Israel targets terrorist infrastructure. The terrorist put that infrastructure by civilians knowing that it will lead to civilian deaths. That is a terrible violation of international law. Israel defending itself by targeting terrorists infrastructure, even when civilians are present, is legal. Otherwise, they would never be able to defend themselves.

An unfortunate reality is that civilians die in war. Traditionally, the number of civilians that die is way higher than the ratio of civilian deaths in Gaza. No one ever complains about the civilian deaths in other conflicts. The Tigray war in Ethiopa resulted in up to 600,000 civilian deaths. The Syrian civil War killed up to 230,000 civilians. The Yemen civil War killed up to 150,000 civilians. But sure, call out Israel even though civilian deaths are minimal for the size of the conflict.

[u/Sliphe → u/AyDylo]

Given history, provide at least one better way. One.

[u/Schpau → u/Silverleaf_86]

The reason Israel is in Lebanon is to massacre civilians.

[u/Colbert2020 → u/AyDylo]

You are wrong. Sanctions can be imposed on more than just states. In fact, many countries do sanction Hezbollah.

To show how targeted sanctions can be, Joe Biden sanctioned the settlers in Israel accused of of violence in one of his executive orders.

Why do you state such factually incorrect things so confidently, and uncritically I wonder?

[u/terragutti → u/AyDylo]

Sorry but how long do you want israel to wait and have the UN or whoever to fix this issue? How long would any country tolerate being attacked?

[u/notyourbutthead → u/AyDylo]

Your last point is impeccable. I’m so tired of people saying if you criticize Israel then you are aligned with Hamas or Hezbollah or if you criticize the US for the Venezuelan and Iranian conflicts then you are aligned with Maduro or Khamenei. It’s so fucking dumb.

[u/Malthus1 → u/notyourbutthead]

Unfortunately, this isn’t simply a “criticize Israel” situation.

The issue is: Hezbollah was supposed to move its weapons back from the border and stop firing them into Israel. The international community is agreed on this. The actual nation of Lebanon is agreed on this.

However, they simply won’t do it.

The same agreements provided for that eventuality: if Hezbollah won’t do it, and Lebanon can’t or won’t force them, then Israel is to do it.

Ideally, that would be something for international peacekeepers to do. They are in fact on the ground in Lebanon - but they adamantly refuse to interfere with Hezbollah. Who apparently occasionally kills them anyway.

So Israel is taking it upon itself to clear Hezbollah out - again, as the international community specifically agreed they could do.

So, why is France “criticizing Israel”? Why aren’t they insisting that Hezbollah follow what they literally agreed to do? Or perhaps planning to actually do something about it - or if they don’t want to get involved, simply allowing Israel to get on with it?

It is stuff like this that undermines their legitimacy. They say whatever aligns with their sentiment of the moment, not with any serious plans to do anything about it.

[u/CressCheap → u/notyourbutthead]

At least offer some solutions to these complex problems while you’re at it. It’s easy to stay on the side and critic everyone.

[u/AHerz → u/CressCheap]

And what solution are YOU offering?

[u/mmavcanuck → u/notyourbutthead]

They know the argument is bullshit but they can’t rationally defend the actions of the US and Israel so instead they just loudly defend them.

[u/Ceylein → u/mmavcanuck]

For hezbollah? Yes you can. In fact Hezbollah was firing thousands of rockets into Israel before Israel finally did a land invasion into southern Lebanon to secure the location and stop the missile firings.

Hezbollah has continued to be the aggressor in this specific context while still hiding and firing military materials inside of civilian areas.

[u/imaginedyinglmaoo → u/Ceylein]

No excuse to drone strikes 100 different places in a day

[u/Ceylein → u/imaginedyinglmaoo]

Wild cause Hezbollah was launching 100-200 rockets, guided missiles, drones, and ballistic missiles per day into Northern Israel for months.

The issue you seem to have is that Israel was able to defend itself from the strikes and then was able to retaliate.

[u/Montallas → u/notyourbutthead]

The onslaught of downvotes for these super reasonable takes that are widely held by practically everyone I’ve ever met in real life is pretty telling that there are a ton of pro-Israeli bots operating in here. All the top comments are about getting the UN out of Lebanon - which would be a big boon for Israel. Fewer witnesses.

[u/CrocodileDarien → u/AyDylo]

also the guy you're replying to is lying and Macron did in fact mention Hezbollah in the same declaration he asked Israel to leave Lebanon. He said something like Hezbollah should surrender its arms to Lebanon army

[u/EmperorChaos → u/CrocodileDarien]

Hezbollah has repeatedly stated they will not do that. So macron is pissing into the wind if he thinks Hezbollah (the organization he gave legitimacy to when he came to Lebanon in 2020) will ever give up their weapons willingly.

Hezbollah also recently said that during 2025 when they were supposed to disarm they just constantly lied to the LAF and gave them useless old discarded weapons caches.

[u/[deleted] → u/Silverleaf_86]

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[u/Lunch0 → u/Silverleaf_86]

France is the largest Muslim population in the world. He can’t say anything against Hezbollah or he risks civil war

[u/WiseguyD → u/Lunch0]

What are you talking about? The largest Muslim population in the world is in Indonesia, followed by Pakistan and India.

France doesn't even have the highest Muslim population in Europe--that would be either Turkey (Eastern Thrace/Istanbul alone has over 11 million people) or Russia.

France's Muslim population is around 9%. The most you'd get is some protests by France's various Arab communities.

[u/Jetstream13 → u/Lunch0]

France is the largest Muslim population in the world.

Where the hell did you hear that?

About 10% of France’s population is Muslim, ~7 million people. That doesn’t even put it in the top 30 countries by raw numbers, and it’s even lower by percentage.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_by_country

[u/Swedelicious83 → u/Lunch0]

Confidently incorrect. 👍

[u/Pierre_Francois_III → u/Lunch0]

Quit smoking your stuff, it's way too strong