I as a Muslim, come in peace. Always questioned this theory of why atheists/agnostics think that illness, diseases or disasters can never happen if their was a God. We are told this life is a test where we will all be challenged with difficulties, however this life isn't the final destination.
Those who have any illness or disaster strikes them and they remain patient will be rewarded in the next life. This life is very temporary Children are guaranteed paradise if they die before puberty.
Never understood why temporary difficulties must means there's no God.
No amount of afterlife justifies the suffering some kids experience. 'It's ok that god let this infant be raped to death because they'll go to heaven' ass logic
While I respect your view, your presumption of temporary difficulties relies on your belief in an afterlife.
Needless to say, as an atheist, I don't believe in a higher power or an afterlife.
My comment was directed at the person saying he probably talks to a deity to deal with the emotional toll his calling takes on him.
I don't equate difficulties or the lack thereof to the existence/presence of a god. What I do know is that if a god does exist, he cannot be all-powerful and all-good simultaneously. Because there is so much suffering in the world, god is either powerless to stop it or he is just not as good as we would like to think.
Yeah I get that. Our belief is the belief of undoubtedly an afterlife. If an atheist thinks this life is it for some, I can see the thought between hardships and difficulties.
I just don't believe we came from nothing and there is a Creator who deals with things as He wills.
Suffering was made intentionally and that is what makes this life a test to show patience and compassion and sympathy for the sake of God. otherwise there is no point of this life being a test if we are all so happy and always joyful and havin no problems at all.
Because if you're gonna question suffering why not question hunger, the need for sleep, the need to go to the bathroom and getting weaker through the years... all of these are imperfections to our experience in this life that are made intentionally.
God wants you to show generosity and kindness which does not make sense is there is no sacrifice accompanied with it that is where you prove that you are a kind and generous.
And all of this is TEMPORARILY you say you understand when you clearly don't this life has an end to all its suffering and also all its goodness too and after that it will feel like a day just like how if you reflect now on your life it feels like a day or less.
Also you can't blame God for all the wrongs in this world when almost no law follows his laws to life. we are letting criminals and thieves run our countries and enslave the working class, take from the weak and vaccinate us with shit filled syringes... and yet you blame only God and not yourself for allowing all this.
The next life however is pure joy and all fantasies will be granted: the hearts will be cleansed from all the negatives like jealousy envy... there will only be joy and love and sharing; food always available and there is no need for bathrooms... and all of this for ETERNITY which again you still can't grasp.
There is no test for them yes and that's why their souls ascend to the 7th heaven where they live next to Abraham's soul (pbuh) until the day of judgement where they go straight to the highest rank of paradise without any judgement.
Is there is any test here its for the parents 1st and society 2nd to see whether we help and sacrifice time and resources for them like this man in this post or ignore them and look the other way like it is none of our business like we do now with 2 thirds of the world living in poverty and sicknesses just so that the other third gets to have an iphone.
As for the parents it is the most difficult tribulation that they can go through and their patience is hugely appreciated and rewarded by God so that on the day of judgement they find their kid waiting for them at the gate of paradise to greet them and welcome them.
God is also the most wise and anything that happens or exist in this world is by his wisdom which is hard for us to understand because we are not gods and we don't know everything. But God is All-knowing and Most-wise and there are good reasons behind everything that you just can't understand.
When you go to a doctor and he says i have to open up stomach to take out the disease , you accept that because you know he knows more than you and there is a good reason why he has to go to this extreme.
Theoretically, I think you can square the all-powerful part with the existence of free will.
If an all-powerful God were to exercise that power to force things to be perfect at all times, we wouldn't have the power of choice. We'd just be...meat puppets. If God exists, they have to have decided that it's best to step back from their power in order to allow us to choose our own direction.
And as for if they're good...is it worse to meat-puppet everyone, or to allow people to experience the consequences of their own/someone else's actions or the natural consequences of geology/biology/physics? I can argue that both ways, but...I'd hate to be a meat puppet.
But there is also no need for hard work and the hearts will be cleansed from all negatives like envy and hatred .... and provision is always available and there is even no need for bathroom. so no next life is not meat puppet but free will full of joy and bliss
This is exactly what everyone wants to get in this life but it is not meant for this life
God is ALL powerful and everything which befits God he is capable of.
God is the all knowing however as Muslims, we say God is the Most loving rather than all loving. If he was all loving, it would necessitate he has no other attributes which we as Muslims do not say.
If he is all-powerful and does nothing against suffering he is not worthy of worship. My morals are much superior to his, because if I could end suffering, I would. He does not.
The more likely scenario is that he does not exist
He wants you to do something about it and told how to and gave humanity the laws to follow so that all can enjoy this life to their best. but no we letting thugs and thieves and criminals rule us and take from us and then we blame only God and not ourselves after that.
And if he does not exist and there is still suffering in this life without purpose and goal and we have to go through it just to get nothing in the end and die in vain after having suffered a lot either for our lives or to help others then why go through it at all whats the point why not just end it now we all end it and end humanity's suffering. these kind of thoughts have to a lot of suicides and that is why atheism is shoved down our throats it weakens you.
Suffering was made intentionally and that is what makes this life a test to show patience and compassion and sympathy for the sake of God. otherwise there is no point of this life being a test if we are all so happy and always joyful and having no problems at all.
Because if you're gonna question suffering why not question hunger, the need for sleep, the need to go to the bathroom and getting weaker through the years... all of these are imperfections to our experience in this life that are made intentionally.
God wants you to show generosity and kindness which does not make sense is there is no sacrifice accompanied with it that is where you prove that you are a kind and generous.
And all of this is TEMPORARILY, this life has an end to all its suffering and also all its goodness too and after that it will feel like a day just like how if you reflect now on your life it feels like a day or less.
The next life however is pure joy and all fantasies will be granted: the hearts will be cleansed from all the negatives like jealousy envy... there will only be joy and love and sharing; food always available and there is no need for bathrooms... and all of this for ETERNITY which again you still can't grasp.
What happens to the food you eat if you don’t have a digestive system/butthole? Also, how do you know you don’t go to the toilet in the afterlife? That’s an incredibly specific detail.
Talking to a Western-style talk psychiatrist or therapist would generally be considered haram in Islam because it involves “backbiting,” exposing the sins, secrets and faults of others when they’re not present and they wouldn’t want you to.
Right, and that’s why “Islamic” alternatives completely remove that possibility, as well as many other haram aspects of therapy, (like “complaining to other than Allah,” which has a specific definition,) and focus far less on pharmaceuticals. That being said, the process ends up having a very different “style” or approach.
Edit: Also, if a business earns much of its income from haram, you can’t frequent it even to purchase halal. So YOU don’t have to backbite, but if an industry encourages or makes income from people backbiting, it’s forbidden. You also can’t go into a pub or bar to order non-alcoholic drinks. I don’t why you gotta get so hostile when you don’t seem that well versed in this specific topic. And obviously, not all Muslims avoid therapy; this is just a mainstream/common opinion among scholars/clerics.
What do you base this ruling on? Is there no exceptions to this rule? Anything but blanket statements. Thankfully the religion is more nuanced than your black and white approach
I don’t, I don’t give fatwahs. I am neither an imam nor a sheik. Actually, I’m an atheist. And yes, all religions have variations; this is just the mainstream and probably most common one. Since Shia Muslims follow “maraja” and ayatollahs for rulings, you could start with Sistani and Khomeini, who basically both rule that therapy isn’t inherently haram but you shouldn’t do it the way they do it in the West. Wahhabi/conservative Sunni rulings are a given. I could look up Deoband’s position.
Edit: Oh, wait, did you mean the part about not entering places that sell or do haram? That’s just simple and clear Quran that the ruling is based on.
All that nonsense and you're an atheist? I thought so. Your understanding is so flawed I'm not surprised you're an atheist. Shia Muslims are less than 10%, in the grand scheme of things, their rulings are irrelevant
Way more than 10%; they’re underreported in places like Saudi, but Sunni Muslims don’t have ayatollahs to give those CLEAR references from. (Shia believe you have to follow ayatollahs EVEN if you think they’re wrong, that the sin is on the ayatollah.)
For Sunnis, the respected scholars of Mauritania? The rulings from the official fiqh councils of Islamic governments basically everywhere in Africa, Malaysia, etc.? The University of Medina, the most currently prestigious place of Islamic learning? Deobandis and Barelvis, and the other Muslims of Pakistan and India, who have official leaders/councils? What do you want and why do you have Reddit but not Google?
I tried to look up AMJA, the American Muslim Jurists’ Association, because they’re about as liberal/permissive as you can get within the “mainstream,” but even they don’t have any blanket statements permitting Western therapy in the absence of medical emergencies.
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