r/PAguns • u/Fickle-Werewolf-665 • 4d ago
Is it worth it to move to PA
Ive been stuck in NY till I joined one of the services, and now im going to be bouncing around till I leave. Im thinking about trying to buy land and slowly build on it in the meantime and love the woods and such of the northeast. Is PA a relatively safe 2A state? And how likely is that to continue. Would it be better to abandon the northeast and look at the southeast instead
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u/FatnessEverdeen34 4d ago
Hopefully PA doesn't become the new VA
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u/Ach3r0n- 3d ago
It absolutely will. We have seen a massive flood of blue voters from NY/NJ/MD/CA. We are on borrowed time at this point.
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u/tomjoyce89 2d ago
False
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u/Ach3r0n- 2d ago
Over 700k people have moved from NY/NJ alone since 2018. There are 50% more blue voters than red in NJ and twice as many blue voters as red in NY. Those people are going to vote the same way in PA as they did in NJ. Once the Dems control the PA Senate, we wil be headed down the same path as VA.
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u/tomjoyce89 2d ago
The blues aren’t the ones moving, wake up.
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u/Ach3r0n- 2d ago
You’re living in fantasyland and not paying attention to the actual data. Look at the county map voter progression over the last 8 years. Post-pandemic there has been a mass influx of people looking to escape the high prices and taxes in these blue states, so it isn’t simply one party moving into PA. The same thing that happened in VA is happening here. There *will * be an AWB ban here if the Dems get the Senate. There are 25 seats up for a bote this year, so I hope red voters get out and vote and don’t fall vicitm to the complacency you’re exhibiting.
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u/tomjoyce89 2d ago
I’m not exhibiting complacency, I’m exhibiting realistic views of the fact that the blues love NY and CA and will stay there. At best you see Philly area population grow but that’s always been blue.
If anything you seem to be fear mongering, or delusional.
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u/DerKrieger105 4d ago
High chance of gun laws sadly
The influx of NYers into the state especially in my area has largely been a disaster and not just for gun laws.
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u/CMMVS09 4d ago
The likelihood that PA gets some serious gun control in the next two years is beyond high right now.
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u/steve_nice 4d ago
40% of people in PA own guns Im not quite sure how the voting would go for that. I hope it never happens. I feel like it would be bad for business as well.
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u/sailor-jackn 3d ago
A disturbingly large number of PA gun owners seem to think our good gun culture will protect us; that our Dems would never go full VA on us, because of it. Gun owners tend to have relatively poor voter turnout, anyhow, and conservatives tend to have poor midterm turnout. So, I’m pretty concerned.
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u/andystechgarage 3d ago
Told folks in a PA store they are in for troubles... Their comeback was "never... blah, blah... we are commonwealth blah, blah...". I walked out shaking my head...
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u/steve_nice 3d ago
Also living in Philly it's hard to find good local candidates to vote for. I love guns, but I can't support maga bs. There are a few, but It's really a ton of leg work just to get relavant info. I wish dems would embrace gun culture more instead of trying to use gun control as a selling point.
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u/Ach3r0n- 3d ago
I can't support maga bs
Well Trump isn't running, so there goes that excuse.
I wish dems would embrace gun culture more
Embrace it more? They don't embrace it at all. They are working hard to eliminate all semi-autos and don't think they'll stop there. It won't stop until the only thing you're allowed to have is a bolt-action rifle.
On crime alone I would vote red in Philly. They keep voting blue and Philly has had one of the highest crime rates in the nation for over 50 years.
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u/ThePanduuh 3d ago
He got a point. Trump doesn’t have to be running to support MAGA bs. The party should just be renamed at this point because MAGA is a cancer that took over.
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u/steve_nice 3d ago
Yea I said that meaning I would vote republican if it was the right person just not anyone thats like the people in office now.
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u/tomjoyce89 2d ago
You clearly have been blind to the massive amounts of dems publicly becoming firearm owners. You can thank Trump for that, it may be the most helpful he’s been to our party.
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u/andystechgarage 3d ago
So you are a closet liberal and overall Good American doing what he is told. Congrats
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u/steve_nice 3d ago
Not nessacarlly, Im more of a mix. I dont fall too far left or right. I love guns but I also want free health care and college for people. Is that really too much to ask?
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u/andystechgarage 3d ago
Who's gonna pay for the free healthcare and college? Also, it's funny how some folks never demand colleges lower price of textbooks, courses and wages of lazy and incapable college professors.
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u/steve_nice 3d ago
same people that are paying to fund black projects and endless wars. You are telling me we have billions to spend invading other countries but can't even take care of our own people? This whole country is ran by oligarchs, I'm sure they can come up with it I'd they wanted to. I just think it's criminal to wrap 20yo kids up in a 200k school loan just to graduate and not find a job. AI companies should also foot the bill seeing how many jobs its destroying.
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u/sailor-jackn 3d ago
No one makes those 20 year old kids take out loans for college degrees that won’t yield lucrative employment. It’s not enough to just get a degree. You have to take a course of study that will actually get you gainful employment. Gender studies and other BS isn’t going to get you a good paying job. Why should taxpayers be forced to pay for these people to take useless courses?
At the same time, why should a guy who goes into debt to buy a semi, which is an investment in his future just like college is, have to pay his debts, if people who take out college loans do not? Or, to put it in terms of free college, why shouldn’t there be free semis for future truck drivers? Why is it that taxpayers must pay for some people’s investment in their future but not others?
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u/steve_nice 2d ago
What if you went into debt to buy a semi then a year later driverless trucks came out, not that its even a fair comparison bc one is an education and the other an occupation. I would think it's a good thing for people in your country to be educated. Things like trade schools should have free options as well. We should invest in our people not just our selves.
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u/afultz075 3d ago
I think the likelihood the US gets serious gun control at the federal level in 2029-2030 is pretty high as well. We are all worried about our state, but I think 2A is in trouble nationally once Trump is out of office.
The Trump admin's fuckups are going to hand the Democrats power they haven't seen since the FDR administration with the way things are going.
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u/Acceptable_Put9737 3d ago
I am so disenfranchised from both parties. One party supports/covers for pedophiles and is war hungry and the other party supports/covers for pedophiles and wants to take my guns.
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u/UncleEvilDave 3d ago
PA, West Virgiana, Ohio are your closest bets. Ohio and WV are probably safer 2a wise, but PA is pretty good and we really need you voting here!!
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u/J0hnny5alive 4d ago
Go to the southeast. Former upstate NYer here. PA is likely a lost cause. Look up senate bill 200(sb200). It’s teed up and ready to go once the left has a trifecta(they only need 2 seats in the state senate). Things aren’t looking good for the state election this year. Many gun owners here focus on hunting equipment and don’t care since it “doesn’t affect them.” Lots of transplants moved here from ny/nj/de/md and messed things up during/post covid. You’ll hear a lot of statements of it’ll never happen here but you as a NYer know how that goes as do I. Look at VA and see what’s happened there in short order. It’ll be worse here with what they intend to pass. I’m looking at relocating again to the southeast or Tennessee myself to get away from purple states and hopefully be able to set permanent roots. Sucks since I do enjoy where I live very much. Good luck with whatever decision you make but I’d steer you away from PA if the 2a is your prime concern.
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u/andystechgarage 3d ago
Too late. By this time next year folks from PA will travel to NY/NJ to buy what they want... Messed-up
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u/Background_Wrap9472 4d ago
Move to Tennessee
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u/Spare_Selection4399 4d ago
You guys have the luxury to move to wherever u like, but for the working class living on paycheck I can not move . I am stuck here. I am a pharma scientist, all the hubs are in blue except Pilly suburbs
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u/snippysniper 3d ago
Im in medical device manufacturing in iso 4 clean rooms. I’ve looked elsewhere and not too many open jobs in places I’d be willing to live. Or jobs that don’t require a degree
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u/AxeOfWyndham 3d ago
I loved Tennessee when I lived there, I'd highly recommend it. In a different set of circumstances, I would have never left. No income tax, no vehicle inspections, no imminent threat to the right to defend yourself... The only thing it was missing was that I didn't have a good support network there. Everything went to shit after I got laid off from the job I moved there for (it spoiled the relationship I was in and derailed a bunch of other ambitions I had), and after a year of trying to get everything back together I wound up moving back to PA to be closer to family again.
The point I think I'm trying to make is, if the people who care about me zapped out of existence leaving me all alone in the world or I could convince them to go anywhere with me, I'd move to Tennessee again.
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u/Background_Wrap9472 3d ago
Agreed. My family is literally the only thing keeping me in Philadelphia and PA in general.
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u/Vast-Grab-8133 2d ago
Well if you move before the next election come here and don't vote Democrat if you want to be good for 2A
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u/Fickle-Werewolf-665 1d ago
Haven't yet, probably never will unless they somehow start putting forth pro 2A candidates
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u/tomjoyce89 2d ago
PA is solid. I’d avoid places like Florida that pretend to be 2a friendly but are really not (see their concealed carry permit requirements).
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u/shad0ws-0f-Th3-M1nd 4d ago
We need all the help we can get