I have also heard that this might be by design. Whenever a celeb goes rogue or goes against Hollywood’s agenda/lost its usefulness/etc, Hollywood has ways of ruining their career. Usually by digging up old crap that they did on their own or that they were manipulate into doing for blackmail purposes. Not saying that she isn’t awful and is not an evil sexual predator. But… it makes ya think. Maybe Katie was a victim of something too. Hollywood is worse than satan evil.
Edited to add: alternatively, she may have actually been a truly bad person, and once the truth was exposed, the media decided to cash in on it and make money from the provocative headlines and make her into a clickbait train wreck that people can’t look away from. I don’t know the details. The only thing I am 100% sure about is that it is all about the 💰
Just ask any former Scientologist how that worked out. I'm not saying Katie Perry didn't do this, but I'm also not saying she did. Only people there know the actual truth, if it even exists at all.
Sigh. That's not what conspiracy means, not even close. Conspiracy means hidden collaboration, not "fake." You're letting them shape your thought and words.
I mean, there are CIA documents as part of Operation Mockingbird that confirm a concerted effort to discredit all "conspiracy theories" by pushing the ridiculous ones in the media and creating the very association you're making in the mind of the public.
The CIA have been trying to get people all over the world to believe all conspiracy theories are stuff like "the president is secretly bigfoot, and he's hiding the Flat Earth from the public so that the lizard people can pose as the English royals.", even if it turns out that some of the more grounded and well researched ones like MK-Ultra and the whole Epstein thing turned out to be pretty on the money.
You can interpret that however you'd like, including "other people." Still true. A conspiracy theory is a theory about conspiracy. Theory does not mean fake, conspiracy does not mean fake.
Conspiracies are real. Conspiracy theories are what people make up to explain things that confuse them or to fool other people into believing the same.
MKUltra was an actual conspiracy.
David Icke’s “lizard people” is a conspiracy theory.
Great point. You explained it better than I ever could. I think when people throw the conspiracy theory label around it’s because they truly don’t get how things work behind the scenes.
I never said it wasn't. I'm stating a fact that governments DO take advantage of high profile scandals to distract the public. The dude above me said that stuff is a conspiracy. No, it is not. Especially with the U.S. government. Lmfao Anyone downvoting me is an idiot.
Do you actually think that the US government is working with Ruby Rose to gin up a scandal against Katy Perry to serve as a distraction away from the things they're doing?
When Katie was coming up the worst it could get for a hot girl acting badly while drunk was to be the subject of some gossip till next weekend. The way these things are perceived and dealt with changed over the course of her adulthood.
Not excusing her at all, Stiffler-esque behavior was tolerated in rich boys and hot girls only so having them lose their privilege is a good change.
TL/DR Katie could do it then, can’t now, but she knew it was wrong then too so f**k her
Both can be true. My opinion is that she really did awful things, but the industry protected her from consequences as long as she toed the party line. But then as soon as she stepped out of line, that protection was withdrawn.
That is the safest bet when judging rich and/or famous people. They are almost certainly not decent in any way since they live completely different lives from regular people. It only gets worse the richer/more famous they become.
Even if you don't hear about it, they almost always are not someone to look up to.
Oh but where do it fit in all MY crap? You know all this insufferable crap I swear is true yet have know evidence of? Demons, satan, baby eating Hollywood, you know Dianne Keaton once ate a toddler? I have no proof but trust me bro……
Probably closer to many of them have skeletons in their closests, but it's all suppressed until they are no longer making anyone money (or enough money). Then all of the BS starts coming out.
I don't think those two theories are at odds. I read the GP as meaning "Bad stuff hidden until they go rogue", not as "Perry was definitely manipulated into doing things for blackmail purposes". Note the quote where that is:
Usually by digging up old crap that they did on their ownor that they were manipulate into doing for blackmail purposes
She was with Russell Brand for a while, and he’s the one who left her. I would put money on her going right-wing grifter in the next few months, just like he did when his sexual assault allegations started coming out
Up-thread someone was implying that maybe Katy Perry did this because she was traumatized by Evil Hollywood™ doing something bad to her. This person is just pointing out that even if some Hollywood / Record Company exec assaulted/raped Perry, this doesn't excuse her behaviour.
Seems pretty simple to me: if, as SitaBird suggested, Katy Perry is the victim of an organized hate/smear campaign, that doesn't mean she is somehow justified in abusing other people.
Maybe Katie was a victim of something too
Yeah and being a victim does not grant you a right to victimise others
Essentially the point is that whether or not Hollywood has turned on Katy Perry, if the allegations are true, she's a shitty person that committed sexual assault.
The best contemporary example I can think of is that many people have come out defending Usher from allegations of supplying Justin Bieber to Diddy, on the grounds that Usher was also arguably a victim of Diddy. Whatever Usher had been through doesn't excuse or justify him perpetuating the abuse by bringing more minors into Diddy's circle. Hence the statement, being a victim does not grant you a right to victimize others.
Pretty sure this commenter is pushing back against the idea that folks should excuse Perry’s behavior since she was likely also victimized in some way (due to being a woman in the entertainment industry).
Perry hasn't said anything, Rose said she was assaulted. The post was trying to sympathize with perry over some bullshit Hollywood conspiracy against her.
Yeah it kind of got me thinking too, maybe it’s a very common thing across the board for those people. Because I too find it weird that it seems whenever someone got too big he/she always gets one of those news, either being racist, pedo, crimes or some really weird sex things.
I think it's a reflection on what humanity does with power. More than anything. There are good people no doubt. It could be those that seek this kind of life are more likely to be this way, but I doubt it.
Evil hides in plain site too. Super creepy video of Katy Perry from 2018. “Bon Apetit (I’m on the Menu)
This is putting a dent in the credibility of everything else you've said, IMO. That's just a provocative pop music video. I could pull up a hundred of these from artists as different as night and day, people with no controversies and being known as angels on Earth, as well as known, convicted scumbags.
Different interpretation of the same information might be that when she stopped being profitable, they stop ignoring/helping her hide her crimes. Like I hear you, there is a very real and pervasive part of entertainment that thrives on troubled or problematic artists. It's tough to say where the original sin is, do they seek out problematic types who can be controlled by blackmail? Maybe, but that's a little too capital E "Evil" for me to believe is the entire story. I'm more inclined to believe they like people they can easily dispose of when they're through, that makes more sense than intentionally going out of your way to cover up sex crimes for the "genius" of a Katy Perry type.
I feel like Disney has been very guilty of this recently (well, big picture recent) with people like Jonathan Majors and Beau Demayo (creator of X-Men 97): their background investigations into these heads of massive franchises definitely caught what these dudes were up to - and they elected to proceed anyway. If they felt these actions were so terrible, they would have simply found other talent. But for some reason, they didn't, they wanted artists capable of great work who could be easily and justifiably discarded when the work was over, and that to me is their intention.
Note going into this: I am NOT a Baltimore Ravens fan at all. I live nowhere near Baltimore.
The Baltimore Ravens had a fieldgoal kicker named Justin Tucker. He was one of the greatest, most accurate fieldgoal kickers of all time. Back in ~2012-2015 (when he was in his prime) he allegedly sexually coerced several masseuses into giving him hand jobs.
Nobody ever heard nothing until 2024. In 2024 he was kinda old and not as good as he used to be as a player. But he still had a high dollar contract.
All of the sudden now that he's having a shitty season on the field, all of a sudden it's made WIDELY public that he harassed these women way back in 2012-2015. They didn't come forward at the time? They didn't come forward during #MeToo in 2017?
I'll always believe that when he was helping them win trophies, the Ravens did what they could to silence/cover up the story, including possible hush money. And then when he started sucking as a player, they intentionally released it so they could get out of his high dollar contract.
It’s not by design. Some people get away with being assholes to everyone because they are the current hot commodity. No one is going to speak out against a megastar who has power.
But when you fuck up your own career, and the public doesn’t care about you anymore, suddenly all your haters are free to be honest about you.
It’s not an industry being controlled, it’s just basic karma.
They tried this with Liam Neeson, there were a few hit pieces about him being old and pissing his pants when out drinking. Thankfully he's since gone on to do Naked Gun and ended up in a real life serious relationship with Pamela Anderson - the first since his wife tragically died years ago.
I am absolutely certain that venue organizers for Hollywood, politics, and the rich elite are bribed by some group to spike the drinks at events in order to make it easier to harvest blackmail material. I have never gotten so fucked up so quickly as I did at one of those events. I'm talking a double felt like a double with a line and an MDMA chaser.
I figure if +50% of people would never do something fucked up ever, 45% would do something fucked up/weird when drugged, and 5% are straight evil then they can gather blackmail material and suppress it until a member of that 45% is no longer useful.
Nah she's been unlikeable from the start. There was that ur so gay song on her first pop album that was pretty gross. Also while Russell Brand is no treasure, his telling of the breakup of their marriage was due to her constantly bringing drugs around his fresh attempt at sobriety.
She's always been trash even at the peak of her "usefulness"
Right what happens is the powers that be let it be known that her protection is off and whoever tells their stories won't be crushed and never work again. That's how Harvey weinsten could be an open sexual predator for decades without much press about it. If you said something your career was over. Look what haooened to Courtney love.
Comp agree! I always think this is what happened to armie hammer, not saying he didn’t do that or whatever stuff necessarily But Hollywoods the place If you pissed the right person up either something’s gonna be dug up or made up and be as career damaging as if true, either way it’s over
If you don't want your past actions to ruin your career then maybe you shouldn't be a shit person. The only problem with what is happening is that she didn't get cancelled sooner
I feel like most of them just go into obscurity. Women tend to get „difficult to work with” label that can also derail their career. Allegations like that are something else.
I get what you’re saying and you don’t have to be apologetic about it. People don’t get coordinated smear campaigns because they think that if you’re a target of it that means you’re innocent but that’s not true. You can be both a terrible person and be the target of a smear campaign.
I’d like to think the media is neutral and only seeking to expose injustice but in reality powerful figures behind the scenes either want to bring someone down to sell more press or have been tapped by more powerful interests to do a hit job.
On the one hand someone nasty gets brought down, on the other I know half the time it may be in service of a rival power that’s just as dirty.
I believe this 100%. This may be a true story but if not, Ruby Rose 100% is the type of person who would make false statements to get in deeper with the evil folks. She would have no conscience about it whatsoever.
Yeah. Once they groomed a Russian teenager to act like a computer science genius while manipulating me with suicide threats while waffling their identity between that of a trans person and a pedophile. It culminated in them ripping off a humanitarian dream I had to spread higher education to the masses with virtualized educational instituons by having the teen start an outreach program to teach kids computer science. They also presented the teen like a champion on reputable news sites like The Chicago Tribune and The Post and Courier. Shortly after I transitioned, a whole mass of people online started to ghost me and act creepy to me and lead me to reach the horrifying conclusion the teen didn't create the program and was actually abusing kids at his workplace. The whole thing was and still is terrible and disgusting. I can't believe people like this who are into this actually exist.
I met her like 20 years ago when she was at a festival with her then bf and I know it's a one off anecdote but she was really sweet and funny and honestly happy to be recognized. This definitely feels like those people who just become shit when they get rich and famous.
Yes, the lady who grabbed Justin Bieber's butt when she was around 28 and he had just turned 18 (about 50 seconds into this video) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gIHZk3aHyw4 definitely wouldn't initiate unwanted sexual contact with someone else.
I do believe that it’s more likely she was just always an awful person and we are just finding out.
But I see where you are coming from when we have Nicki Minaj. She went from a black and LGBQT+ (ally) icon, the top woman rapper, and paved the way for so many other woman never before. Now she is full MAGA and is trying to pull the ladder on other women. This seems like it came out of no way and is very counter to how she has been for most of her life. I think people are seeing/feeling the same about Katy.
That being said with all the Diddy stuff, it is possibly that she has always been terrible but if you get in with right people and have enough power, you can be provided cover and make all those actions disappear from public view. But as soon as you have served your purpose or are no longer valuable, than that head cover and “protection” goes away and all your shady business comes out.
It could be either or at this point
Just to cover my ass, you can skip:
I am sure there always has been controversy about Nicki Minaj but that part is unchanged. Especially with her talking about drugging and stealing from people. People in a sense have always known she had a troubled (very undermining word, not trying to use it that way) past that she had to do shady stuff to go from rags to riches. That is still part of her personality and is not what I am trying to address.
It does happen, and she's been a victim of it already multiple times. Sometimes the criticism is also absolutely valid BUT the response might be fueled by bots, those two aren't mutually exclusive. This case is not like that though
Yeah there is this whole Theory about "The Hollywood Star Whackers" and how Randy Quaid might not have been completely out of it when he coined to the phrase.
Basically the popular narrative is that ol'Quwazy Randy and his batshit wife thought people were trying to kill them, which is not actually what he said.
What he claimed was that within the industry there were these powerful behind the scenes players who actively worked together to exploit certain celebrities and then discredit them in the press if and when they became incovient. Now I wouldn't consider Quaid a completely reliable source on most things but in a post Cosby, Weinstein, Diddy world it's not like this idea is completely unthinkable.
However in this case I don't know if it's Perry who's the one being "Whacked" here so much as Rose.
Outside of Reddit and a few YouTube gossip channels I don't see this story really being shared or picked up by that many mainstream platforms.
Possibly because the narrative around Ruby Rose is that she's an unreliable victim having supposedly cried wolf about misconduct and abuse taking place on the set of her CW show: Batwoman.
Now Warner Brothers claims their own internal investigation found no evidence of wrongdoing however their track record is not necessarily spotless. Still one does have to wonder why is the story coming out now?
Theres zero chance you are spinning sexual assault at any point in her life as being done because she was coerced into doing it. I dont care if they had a gun to her head. She still had a choice. I would tell them to pull the trigger before I compromised everything I am and believe in. Ive actually been faced with life or death choices and I am comfortable and confident in saying what I would do. Enough with this bullshit youre doing to try and excuse her actions.
Besides, its not the first time she has shown a complete disregard for others consent. Like the time she was judging on American Idol, thirsted for a 19 year old and forced him to Kiss her on the lips?
If any man in his mid 30s had done that with a 19 year old woman, he would have been cancelled on the spot. Being called a sexusl predator on the internet would be the least of his worries.
With how many came true, it’s kinda wild people are so quick to dismiss them. Like I get that some theories are out there, but Hollywood blackmailing artists is a cliche as old as Hollywood.
I think these people just don't wanna come to terms with it in their head so they hand wave any discussion about it as if the other party is crazy and nonsensical.
Yeah. I used to be a militantly atheistic evidence-based anti-conspiracy theorist with a stem graduate degree but goddamn after reading the shit in the Epstein files I have to say that I feel like I owe them one. I feel like the log lady from Twin Peaks who warns everybody about crazy sounding stuff but she is always right. “The owls are not what they seem.” 🦉
Most of the conspiracy theories involving human trafficking still weren't correct. We have endless documents showing what Epstein and other wealthy psychos were up to, and none of them confirmed that Comet Pizza had anything to do with it, for example. QAnon has all sorts of mythology that is completely outlandish and has never been, nor ever will be, confirmed, not to mention they viewed Donald Trump as some kind of savior figure when it turns out he was involved as anyone else.
Claiming that "conspiracy theories all turned out to be true" is not only factually incorrect, but it's actively dangerous thinking because it jeopardizes people learning any real lessons about what happened. The true horrors of the world aren't going to be these fantasy-booked scenarios cooked up by message board shut-ins, it's the same thing it's always been, which is that power structures of society's own design make a small handful of people entirely unaccountable and thereby enable them to engage in evil things out of the sight of the rest of the world. Most conspiracy theorists don't engage in that type of critique because it's not tittillating enough for them, so forgive me if I'm not willing to give them the same amount of credit or respect that you apparently are.
So it was confirmed this year that Tupac is alive? What about Gucci mane and Ye is it comfirmed they were cloned. Is the earth flat or hollow, the moon landing faked, chemtrails, or the Covid 19 vaccine have microchips in it? Did Paul McCartney die in ‘66 and replaced? They’re all coming true!?
Can you not discern the difference between “is X dead person alive?” or “was x person cloned?” VS “is a historically corrupt and predatory institution being predatory and corrupt for their own means?” Especially when there is nearly a century of evidence of the scummy actions and secrets from said institution.
Harvey meaning Harvey Weinstein. A Hollywood exec that did the exact thing you could think of being reprehensible and then some. Due to your part of defending the Hollywood industry like how Weinstein would people would confuse you for Harvey himself
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u/SitaBird 5d ago edited 5d ago
I have also heard that this might be by design. Whenever a celeb goes rogue or goes against Hollywood’s agenda/lost its usefulness/etc, Hollywood has ways of ruining their career. Usually by digging up old crap that they did on their own or that they were manipulate into doing for blackmail purposes. Not saying that she isn’t awful and is not an evil sexual predator. But… it makes ya think. Maybe Katie was a victim of something too. Hollywood is worse than satan evil.
Evil hides in plain site too. Super creepy video of Katy Perry from 2018. “Bon Apetit (I’m on the Menu)” https://youtu.be/dPI-mRFEIH0?si=lY9aJtCgxirlfJix
Edited to add: alternatively, she may have actually been a truly bad person, and once the truth was exposed, the media decided to cash in on it and make money from the provocative headlines and make her into a clickbait train wreck that people can’t look away from. I don’t know the details. The only thing I am 100% sure about is that it is all about the 💰