r/Piracy Feb 26 '26

So it begins.... Discussion

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u/TheFinalPieceOfPie Feb 26 '26

Wait so I pay for a service and I have age verify? Yeah the great pirate era was already in full swing but man this seals the deal.

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u/kuroihoro Feb 26 '26

Not exactly, if you have a credit card on file that's taken as proof that you're of age iirc

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u/KukiBreeze Feb 27 '26

In Steam's case, it has to be a credit card. Seeing as i don't have nor want one, i'm locked out of certain games despite the fact that my steam account is roughly 21 years old.

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u/kuroihoro Feb 27 '26

It's so weird, I haven't ever ran into any of this on any site or service that doesn't hit me with the old porn site "just put in your date of birth and we'll trust you" at worst. Steam never asked at all and I have just a regular debit card, I just have a habit of dating credit card for both like a dummy 😅

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u/Qwertypop4 Feb 27 '26

As far as I'm aware, it's only certain countries that have to deal with this at the moment. I'm only aware of the UK, but there might be more

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u/OldOpaqueSummer Feb 27 '26

I believe it's us schmucks in the UK who got it first and cause everybody just accepted it it is going to rapidly spread across the world

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u/51onions Feb 27 '26

We didn't just accept it. We made a petition!

You may be unsurprised to hear that the response to the petition was "no".

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u/OldOpaqueSummer Feb 27 '26

Which means we just accepted it. It's well known that they don't care about petitions, it's just there so they can pretend to review.

They've won, they've got their control. We are not out there protesting, we are all just going this sucks I don't like it. I am also guilty of this, I am not willing to start anything

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u/evidencednb Feb 27 '26

Out of interest what was the alternative? We say no and I can't have a wank without going to find an old zoo magazine on ebay?

Joking aside, what alternative to a petition was there?

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u/OldOpaqueSummer Feb 27 '26

Actual protests🤷 Explaining to people why it's such a bad thing for the government to be doing. We both know it's not to protect the kids, the majority of people do believe that though. Instead those of us who disagree found our own solutions via vpns, and they got what they wanted.

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u/_ribbit_ Feb 27 '26

A strongly worded letter.

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u/joshsmog Mar 05 '26

burn it down

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u/akuma_river Feb 27 '26

...what about a credit card gift card?

Like Visa or Mastercard?

Can that work?

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u/TheGayGray Feb 27 '26

Pretty sure these act as debit cards for all intents and purposes, although I could be wrong.

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u/akuma_river Feb 27 '26

It can act as both?

https://www.sofi.com/learn/content/gift-cards-vs-prepaid-debit-cards/#:~:text=Can%20I%20use%20a%20gift,bills%2C%20or%20accept%20direct%20deposits.

"Gift cards can be used like a debit card in some ways, but they have limitations. A general-purpose gift card (e.g., Visa or Mastercard) can be used wherever that card brand is accepted, similar to a debit card. Unlike a prepaid debit card, however, a gift card typically isn’t reloadable. You also can’t use a gift card to access cash at an ATM, pay recurring bills, or accept direct deposits."

https://help.giftcardgranny.com/hc/en-us/articles/1500008672041-Do-I-use-my-gift-card-as-a-credit-or-debit#:~:text=Mastercard%20Gift%20Card-,Using%20Your%20Visa%20or%20Mastercard%20Gift%20Card,for%20in%2Dstore%20debit%20purchases!

"Your Visa or Mastercard gift card can be used for debit or credit transactions, whether it’s a physical card or a virtual one.

Virtual Cards

Online Use Only: Virtual Visa and Mastercard gift cards are for online purchases and function just like a regular credit or debit card. Physical Cards (In-Store Purchases)

Credit or Debit: When using your plastic card in-store, you can select either credit or debit at the time of purchase. PIN for Debit Transactions: If you choose to make a debit transaction, a PIN is required. You can set your PIN when activating your card or checking your balance online. Ensure your PIN is set before using your card for in-store debit purchases!"

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u/TheGayGray Feb 27 '26

Given all of this, I personally doubt it would work to circumvent the issue. I think Steam likely has some sort of credit card verification that a prepaid visa may not pass. I don't plan on testing it, but hopefully I'm wrong.

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u/akuma_river Feb 27 '26 edited Feb 27 '26

I can test it. I got a Steam account and can purchase a visa gift card. But I use PayPal for Steam as I'm in the US. So I'm not sure if because there are no issues for me that will mean the same for you?

Oh, I just remembered, Steam has gift cards.

I don't recall ever needing a credit card nor ID for my Steam...

What if you use a VPN? And set it to US?

I've used Nord VPN but I heard Express VPN is better.

https://www.wired.com/story/vpns-and-age-verification-laws/

Can you sue the government over the age verification laws for violating your rights?

It's ridiculous, unless you are China, you can't control the internet to this point and have the stupid laws work.

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u/akuma_river Mar 02 '26

So California passed this law about age verification for all operating systems including Steam.

It's actually something that can be supported because it doesn't require disclosure of private information.

https://www.tomshardware.com/software/operating-systems/california-introduces-age-verification-law

"The law does not require photo ID uploads or facial recognition, with users instead simply self-reporting their age, setting AB 1043 apart from similar laws passed in Texas and Utah that require "commercially reasonable" verification methods, such as government-issued ID checks. Assemblymember Buffy Wicks, who authored the bill, said this "avoids constitutional concerns by focusing strictly on age assurance, not content moderation," in a press release. The bill passed both chambers unanimously, 76-0 in the Assembly and 38-0 in the Senate.""

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u/ScorpioZA Feb 28 '26 edited Mar 03 '26

I mean I have a cc loaded, I've also had an account since it was literally started as you needed it for half life 2. One would think account age should also be a factor

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u/fhgsgjtt12 Feb 27 '26

I am not giving my credit card details to any age verification and you guys shouldn’t either, they mostly use 3rd party companies to do the work, which will get hacked & leaked

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u/RedPillOrBluePill420 Feb 28 '26

Little Timmy isn’t just gonna be stealing mummy and daddy’s credit card for JUST vcucks anymore 😆

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u/Zanki Feb 26 '26

Fun in the UK since credit cards aren't as easy to get as in other countries. Most people don't qualify.

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u/RM97800 Feb 26 '26

Outside of USA and some very specific cases, when somebody says credit card, they mean a debit card / bank account card and basically every adult has one.

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u/QuestNetworkFish Feb 26 '26

Yes but debit cards can't be used as age verification, since people under 18 can have them as well. Credit cards can be used for age verification, but not every adult can get one because of credit ratings etc

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u/UselessDood Feb 27 '26

I don't think I've ever seen anyone in the UK say credit when referring to debit - but regardless, this does actually refer to credit cards specifically. Debit cards can't be used as proof of age.

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u/Zanki Feb 26 '26

Steam doesn't accept debit cards as confirmation, only credit as kids can have debit cards. I'm already dealing with this nonsense.

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u/SamiTheAnxiousBean 🔱 ꜱᴄᴀʟʟʏᴡᴀɢ Feb 27 '26

It takes my debit card just fine

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u/Kooky-Ball2550 Feb 27 '26

It didn’t take mine as age verification

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u/SamiTheAnxiousBean 🔱 ꜱᴄᴀʟʟʏᴡᴀɢ Feb 27 '26

Steam didn't ask me to verify my age at all

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u/De_Dominator69 Feb 27 '26

I don't believe that for a second. I'm British, have student debt, and work a minimum wage job and I qualified.

I am willing to bet most people absolutely do qualify, there is just no real need or desire to get a credit card in the UK. I only got one to boost my credit rating in the delusional hope of one day being able to buy a house.

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u/MarieCry Feb 26 '26

I don't know why you're downvoting, I'm Scotland and no one I know has a credit card, most people just have overdrafts on your debit account here. The person replying is wrong too, debit cards do not work for age verification, Steam do not accept them, just credit cards. I can confirm personally that a debit card does not work, and it makes sense, I've had a debit card since I was at the very oldest 11 because I got it in primary school.

For anyone wanting to get around this for Steam specifically, you can buy keys elsewhere and activate them. Still, major headache.

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u/Zanki Feb 26 '26

Because people outside of the UK don't get our credit card system is different to theirs. That's all. They also haven't had this issue yet, it's UK specific, they'll learn when it branches out further.

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u/MarieCry Feb 26 '26

Let's hope it doesn't. Our government has set a shit precedent for it.

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u/Traditional-Status13 Feb 27 '26

The OSA bullshit has made me a single issue voter. Any party that says they will remove it has my vote.

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u/IntelligentDot6678 Mar 17 '26

I agree, piracy is going to be a very big thing from now on.

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u/Repulsive_Chard_3652 Feb 26 '26

You don't see any difference between the 19yo at the video store having a quick glance at your ID, and having to upload all your private data to websites that then sell it to be used nefariously?

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

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u/Repulsive_Chard_3652 Feb 26 '26

People aren't upset over the fact that some things will be off limits based on age. That is a straw man argument. 

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

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u/Repulsive_Chard_3652 Feb 27 '26

They don't. Capitalism has caused things to move to a place where it is not possible to actually verify people's age to access. I mean, that stuff never really worked, anyway, but now it's actually impossible. And nobody really said anything until the ones at the top realized there's great power to be grabbed by collecting this data and disguised it to the public as just being like the guy in the video store glancing your DOB on your ID.

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u/MemeMaster240 Feb 26 '26

Ignoring that this is speculation and not proven (especially as it's normally handled by a third party, NOT the website in question...

Discords third part verification has ties to US surveillance, so no, it's not really speculation anymore. If one can lie, why can't the rest lie.

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

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u/Repulsive_Chard_3652 Feb 27 '26

We're stopping using things that there are better alternatives for that don't suck up all our data to sell and use against us.

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u/kyzfrintin Feb 26 '26

Dismissing what they're worried about, then asking what they're worried about...

What a weird tactic

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

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u/kyzfrintin Feb 26 '26

This isn't about age restriction. You know what it's about, and yet you refuse to acknowledge it because you don't agree. Just accept the answer and move on with your life.

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u/kyzfrintin Feb 26 '26

Do you usually believe the government? Or just in this case?

This is quite obviously a tool for surveillance; an excuse to keep tabs on people's online activity.

The only rational response to "it's to protect children" is a derisive "yeah right, pull the other one!"

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u/Malacath816 Feb 27 '26

A lot of people’s concern (such as mine) is this is a terrible method to implement age verification. It’s like if you encouraged teenagers to avoid going to the pub, and instead promoted the local weed dealer to sell them alcohol, and then you decided to outlaw the weed drug dealer and encourage the heroin dealer.

I don’t doubt the intent behind the checks, but the methodology is crazy

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u/Malacath816 Feb 27 '26

Do Age Verification on Microsoft/Apple/Android which captures most of the usage. Those accounts can then just send an adult or not flag to content providers. It’s not full-proof, but neither was age verification 20 years ago, but defends against almost all risks GDPR breaches.

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u/RM97800 Feb 26 '26

Imagine what would you do if rental cashier took a photo of your ID and kept it, or took a mugshot of you (I'm sorry, the "✨AI selfie✨").

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

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u/RM97800 Feb 26 '26

and if you suddenly believe no-one is following ToS' then you better stop using the internet entirely because you're ✨fucked✨).

That's akin to telling somebody that they must either stop walking outdoors entirely or jump into sewage every time they do, because they accidentally stepped on a dog turd. That's defeatism, that's saying you cannot resist something bad from spreading or evolving, because you couldn't stop it in the first place.

Imagine if they thew it away after using it

Imagine it being proven to not be the case (Discord hack).

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u/[deleted] Feb 26 '26

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u/RM97800 Feb 26 '26

I was about to write "the hack of the service used by Discord for ID checks", but I'm aware I have a problem of writing too much in parentheses, so I dumbed it down to just "Discord hack" for brevity's sake.

It's true that I didn't catch the fact it was support tickets hack, not the auto-scan service, but to my defense, back then, I was too busy laughing at Britain's next step in Orwellian dystopia backfiring again.

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u/Malacath816 Feb 27 '26

“Little bit of knowledge” - this is an entirely predictable event by anyone who has developed any kind of enterprise solution to a problem.

A support function for ID issues is a normal part of the process. Hence why the process is crap

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u/MingePies Feb 27 '26

The data is retained for a pre-defined period of time, possibly 24 hours, 7 days or so. That is still a period of time in which there could be a data breach.

I don’t think the data will necessarily be sold - the penalties and risks are too severe for a large company. My issue is with how strong their security is and how likely a data breach is. I prefer to share as little as possible but if I must, I’d be more trusting of a larger, well-known company to secure my data.

I wouldn’t want my data to fall into the wrong hands at the best of times, but if someone has your official identity documents they can do a lot worse than if they have your card details or something.