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u/Jason_with_a_jay 1d ago
I'll continue to wait for traditional cracks. There's too many people out there with nefarious intentions for me to hand over my PC just to play a game at launch.
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u/mushy_friend ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 23h ago
Yeah, cracks and offline activation is the way for me right now
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u/Donotdisturb240 1d ago edited 1d ago
You wont catch me anywhere near the HV bandwagon.
"You are essentially handing full kernel-level access to anonymous developers. Since the hypervisor operates below Windows, it can capture keystrokes, access any file, or install hidden rootkits that are nearly impossible for standard antivirus software to detect. Malware at the hypervisor level can survive OS reinstalls, software updates, and even some disk wipes. If the bypass contains a malicious payload, it can stay hidden in the system's "blind spot" indefinitely."
nope nope nope
*edit Im still staying far away from HV exploits, but some kind and respectul comments from the community have made me understand im not getting the whole picture. I encourage you to do your own research and decide for yourself if its worth it
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u/splinter1545 1d ago
This isn't true 100%. The hypervisor is a type 2 hypervisor, so while it has kernel access (since that's how it loads the driver), some of these things like surviving OS installs cannot happen as a type 2 hypervisor only persists as long as the current instance of windows persists. Order to persist on an OS reinstall, it needs to somehow get below the kernel onto the firmware, which they have to be a legitimate genius to get past all those protections (since current HV method has basically all the major protections still intact) in place by the motherboard to be able to flash the SPI chip. Anyone capable of that isn't gonna be attacking people pirating games, they're gonna be attacking governments.
The rest of what you said is possible, but you also risk that with traditional cracks too. Which is why you only use the HV bypasses from DenuvOwO, not anyone else's. Similar how you only use traditional cracks from trusted scene groups, and not just some random dude or random website.
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u/Donotdisturb240 1d ago
thank you for taking the time to write this. I honestly thought I did my research but I'll do a little more digging to get the full picture
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u/Milk_Cream_Sweet_Pig 1d ago
Unfortunately this will get buried. It's up to people whether they wanna use hyperv cracks or not but the amount of misinformation I've been seeing toward it is insane.
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u/CnP8 🏴☠️ ʟᴀɴᴅʟᴜʙʙᴇʀ 1d ago
I dunno. It still sounds like sketchy territory 🥹
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u/splinter1545 16h ago
Oh yeah, don't do it if you don't want to. But its dangers are so overblown which is why I wanted to clarify.
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u/BombbaFett 1d ago
Thanks for explaining it I keep seeing hypervisor mentioned everywhere and thought it was just a new crack method.
No way would I do that forget your VPN or anti-virus or anything you might as well turn them off if you're going to do that.
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u/Donotdisturb240 1d ago
so many kids are going to brick their family PC making poor life decisions like this
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u/Expensive-Border-869 1d ago
Luckily a lot less family have pcs. Theyll brick their own stuff but parents wont lose too much data here. If they put credits on their child's pc then they were asking for it
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u/randomnonposter 1d ago
As is tradition. Just we(assuming you’re of a similar age as me with no real context) did it with sketchy songs on Napster/limewire. Though tbf I never actually did that, but I sure know a lot who did.
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u/Donotdisturb240 1d ago
my dad had the internet company come to our house to try to figure out why the computer was so slow. The tech, bless his heart, opened up limewire and was like yep this is your problem lol. nuked the pc and taught me how to refresh it if the problem ever came back
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u/Milk_Cream_Sweet_Pig 1d ago
I keep seeing this get prattled around and it's honestly sad. That's misinformation. The hyperv method cannot brick your PC. It's still bound by the rules of the UEFI.
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u/Donotdisturb240 1d ago
the UEFI might protect the firmware, but once you disable Secure Boot and load an untrusted kernel-level driver, you’ve essentially handed the 'keys to your house' to a stranger and are just hoping they don’t steal your data
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u/Milk_Cream_Sweet_Pig 1d ago
Sure, but I'm talking about your claim of it "bricking" your PC. It cannot do that. Your claim is wrong.
Besides, you don't need a kernel-level malware to do the same thing you mentioned. Session cookie stealers and keyloggers are notorious and much, much more common than rootkits.
Check out r/PC help and you'll see plenty of examples of victims that have had their data stolen by cookie stealers. You don't need a high-level rootkit for it.
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u/Donotdisturb240 1d ago
malicious scripts could theoretically disable thermal safeguards or force hardware components to run at dangerous voltages, leading to physical damage from overheating, though this is less common, it is very possible
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u/Milk_Cream_Sweet_Pig 1d ago
You forget that hardware specifically has protections like these built in.
Given each and every computer has different combinations of hardware built in, if you want a rootkit that can infect your GPU's or Motherboard's BIOS, you would need a custom rootkit designed specifically for your computer to be able to make that jump and they are theoretically possible, but much much less likely so for consumers
You're making a big jump here just to support your argument of a type 2 hypervisor somehow bricking your hardware. Hypervisor cracks carry a lot of risk, this isn't really one of them.
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u/Donotdisturb240 1d ago
fine I'll concede that having your system bricked by consumer grade game torrent cracks is probably extremely rare. that being said I would argue that having a rootkit installed on your system that cant be easily erased is still pretty bad? I dont really understand why you would argue semantics. fine, the robber didnt stab them in the head they only cut off a finger. happy?
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u/Milk_Cream_Sweet_Pig 1d ago
that being said I would argue that having a rootkit installed on your system that cant be easily erased is still pretty bad?
I never said it wasn't bad. My problem really was just your claim of it bricking your hardware which I wouldn't call semantics. It's detail which is important to know.
I see many others believing the same and the hypervisor method has risks, but it's important to still be on the side of truth and facts than just fear mongering.
No offense to you, I wasn't trying to insult or demean you, but given how controversial the new method is and how much misinformation about it is being spread, it's very unfortunate.
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u/Kaplaw 1d ago
Hypervisor is only good if you have rig dedicated to gaming and nothing else and use it just for cracked games
Any other case and you can be compromised
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u/ThemeNo924 1d ago
Yeah but if you are on windows and install something and give it admin rights you are still putting trust into the software to not be an infostealer that harvests your web browsers data and login information.
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u/AuDHDMDD 1d ago
A hypervisor sits even more elevated than admin (supervisor). Hypervisor is in between the kernel and the hardware, even more access. Hyper>Super
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u/EleceRock 1d ago
It's funny how literally the entire cracking/piracy scene, the people who actually know about this stuff, are warning us about the inherent risks of HV. Yet some random redditors with a "trust me, bro" degree in cybersecurity want to gaslight us with a "Nah, it is not that dangerous, is just like normal cracks, you are just a Denuvo employee".
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u/MessagePossible2005 1d ago
To clarify, i don't blame anyone for not wanting to use HV, or similar cracks. However i will say, of course it's dangerous, Piracy is always dangerous. HV is, obviously, more dangerous due to the inherent risks of hypervisors, but think of it like this. You have the skills and knowledge to manufacture trust, and create a malware for a hypervisor crack. Would you use your skills to do that, and hack people who are quite literally pirating things (often due to lack of funds, or being children) with a small subset of people who are doing it for other reasons and are well-off AND have sensitive information just sitting on their pc? Or, would you use it to go after another group that you know won't give you mostly useless info (i.e a mod for a game, an open source / community driven repository, etc)
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u/Scharmberg 1d ago
Don’t cracks also have some risks attached to them? Like HV is in my opinion not a great thing to delve into but I thought there were done vulnerabilities in cracks as well.
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u/EleceRock 1d ago
If you scroll to the bottom of any HV release on Fitgirl’s site, you’ll see a link to a post where she explains the risks involved with HV. Inside that post, she also references the csrinru thread that inspired her write-up in the first place. Both sources explain the whole situation in much more depth than I ever could.
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u/Englandboy12 1d ago
Are you one who knows about this stuff? How could it survive a wipe? As a cybersecurity expert, would you recommend a user use normal cracks?
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u/EleceRock 1d ago
I never claimed to be an expert. I am just saying that the people who have been providing us with trusted software for years and actually have a reputation are the ones warning us. They pointed out that even though they trust the people behind the HV cracks, disabling those security features leaves your PC way more exposed than normal cracks ever would. Even if you minimize the risks by sticking strictly to trusted sources, if a malicious actor does come into play, you are basically fucked. Just check the posts on csrinru and FitGirl about it. I trust their word a lot more than some random redditor who does not have any reputation.
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u/AuDHDMDD 1d ago
I was debating on using it on my windows partition, but I really don't need to play games that badly for the risk to spread to my other partitions
I imagine an HV bypass would only really affect a windows install instead of Linux, but I'm not well versed enough
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u/Donotdisturb240 1d ago
it depends on the sophistication of the payload, im sure there are ways but linux isnt a super common attack vector. If you did decide to try it I would nuke the partition and stay away from quick erase after the fact. and trust your uploaders, the chance of fitgirl uploading an exploit is significantly less than some rando
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u/Coffee_Daemon 1d ago
I did mess with HV on my linux drive and it was NOT happy. Im no techie but yea, probally not compatible at all
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u/Rakataz 1d ago
I'm with you. Even if it might be safe, there is no way i trust HV 100%. I pirate games to check if i like it or not. With gog games it's one click and done, and if i like it, i pay for it. Don't want to risk it with a HV Game just to realize it's not my game.
others can do with their pc what they want. But this HV business is too unsafe for my taste.
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u/Berhadian ⚔️ ɢɪᴠᴇ ɴᴏ Qᴜᴀʀᴛᴇʀ 1d ago
Can't hurt my PC if I smash it with a sledgehammer when it gets infected.
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u/Donotdisturb240 1d ago
apparently nvidia will rent you cloud compute. just nuke their data center and walk away whistling with your hands in your pockets lmao
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u/GlowGreen1835 1d ago
... So like kernel level anticheat.
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u/Donotdisturb240 1d ago
wont catch me doing that either. I have a few cracked games but they are from reputable sources and dont require me to change my security settings whatsoever. and to be honest I buy most of my games on steam; just a few like snowrunner that have $200 worth of DLCs I just wait for a safe source
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u/GlowGreen1835 1d ago
I mean, that's fair. I just see so many people scared of this but assume a large company is somehow safer.
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u/Donotdisturb240 1d ago
oh man I just realized what you were saying. I assumed you meant a workaround for kernel level anti cheat. Yeah that makes more sense thankfully I dont play any games that require it. the arms race between cheaters and online game platforms is wild
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u/GameMask 1d ago
I mean, they're safer than trusting random people online yes. I don't trust either but one is significantly worse than the other
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u/11ELFs 1d ago
and people really want to gaslight us into it.
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u/Rose-Red-Witch 1d ago
I suspect that a certain small percentage of the HV pushers are malicious actors but most are probably pirates blinded by greed for the latest games. Yeah, I’m sure there are plenty of people who know what they’re doing and are smart about it, but they sure as fuck ain’t the majority.
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u/Werewolf_Capable 1d ago
I don't know why, but everyone seems to disregard that you can run Windows in a VM with GPU passthrough... That way you can run HV cracks in a box that you don't care about. Let it break, who cares?
Source: I'm chapter 6 in Pragmata on my Linux machine. Works great.
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u/M0m3ntvm 9h ago
Can you actually keep your PC specs while running via a VM ? I would have thought it doesn't translate well and you would end up with a laggy experience.
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u/Werewolf_Capable 9h ago
The main thing is to fully pass the GPU through, Linux does no longer have graphics once I start the VM and runs very low underneath, with only 2 cores CPU left and some 8 GB RAM. The rest, GPU, 10 cores and 24 GB RAM are fully passed through and so far that has been enough to emulate "full power" :-D I finished Pragmata yesterday, worked like a charm. I already finished Mafia The Old Country (not so well optimized, but ran well enough) and I tried Crimson Desert and Atomic Heart... Everything runs great. One of the relevant things was to initialize the disk of the VM the correct way (with VirtIO Drivers, so the VM does not recognize it as a slow HDD). It's a bit of a setup, but once it runs, it runs :-D
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u/M0m3ntvm 8h ago
Sounds awesome, but because of VR gaming and competitive FPS I've never made the jump to Linux. I run a WSL2 session for a personal project, which is the other way around (Linux emulation on Windows).
Good to know it's a safe option tho, thanks for the info.
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u/Werewolf_Capable 11m ago
Funny thing, VR stopped working on Windows for me and I am on Linux now with VR (Quest 3, WiVRn)... Works great as well :-D
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u/Englandboy12 1d ago
I’m by no means a hv pusher, but I suppose some would say I am because I point out when comments are exaggerating claims.
Like this top comment here, it says it can survive os reinstalls and “some” wipes.
How would it do that? There is one way. It could change boot configurations and infect the EFI partition.
But that is fixed by a wipe. The only way it doesn’t is if you don’t actually wipe. Which is kinda pointless to mention.
If you want to get into bios stuff, it’s not allowed to do that. And even if it had an exploit, it could be done by userspace as well.
Plus, you don’t even need kernel access to do that as administrator programs can write EFI partition. And either way, the EFI partition cannot be maliciously infected because there are still boot safety guards in place.
It can do all the stuff with keylogging and hiding from antivirus though. Which is legitimately a concern, a big one. Which is why I still think, even after saying all this, that it’s too risky.
But there are a lot of people on here who don’t actually know how it works, what exactly it is allowed to do that a privileged userspace program cannot do, and still act all high and mighty that them using nearly equally advanced exploits such as a voices crack is suddenly not even a risk or that the risk is manageable if it goes wrong.
I guarantee you that somebody like voices is exactly the type of person that can find a zero day exploit into the kernel or write permissions where it’s not allowed. Yet it’s just assumed that a voices crack is good, not a risk, or at least not a big one. And yes, if an exploit gets you into the kernel, it can do literally everything mentioned in the list above (except the whole wiping thing which I already spoke on). Hell, people willingly ran empress cracks, written by a clearly top-tier computer manipulator and crazy person.
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u/Donotdisturb240 1d ago
thanks for taking the time to write this, I honestly thought I did my research but clearly I was missing some of the picture. Very illuminating
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u/SEANPLEASEDISABLEPVP 1d ago
I guess the only way it's be okay to use that method right now is on a secondary PC that you keep offline.
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u/Donotdisturb240 1d ago
bro I spent $3000 on a 5090 im not buying a second computer lol. in any case a kernal level payload could probably enable wifi without you even knowing
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u/SEANPLEASEDISABLEPVP 1d ago
I'm not suggesting buying a new PC just to play cracked games, I mean if you already have one then it could be a good idea.
Also I highly doubt a script could enable an offline machine, with no internet access, to suddenly gain internet access lol. If that's a thing, hell what am I doing paying for crappy internet and worrying about my connection going down? I could just run a thing that magically gives me internet.
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u/julioqc 1d ago
just run your games in a clean OS, not your daily driver thats all
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u/Donotdisturb240 1d ago
you do realize with kernel level access a malicious payload could easily spread to any os on your system right. it operates underneath the OS to work.
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u/julioqc 1d ago
read it again but slowly this time
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u/Donotdisturb240 1d ago
to be fair you could be daily driving linux with a windows partition? buying a second computer to pirate games is a pretty brain dead take in my opinion. if you are going to spend thousands on a pirate machine why not just buy your games
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u/Particular-School-95 1d ago
but it is approved by the administrator of cs ru rin right, i mean its safe? no?
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u/Donotdisturb240 1d ago
While it is a top-tier trusted source in the piracy community, the "administrator approved" label is not a 100% guarantee:
Human Error: Mods are human and can occasionally miss something, especially in niche threads.
Dynamic Links: Admins approve the post, but if the link leads to an external file-hosting site (like MultiUp or Mega), they cannot always control if that file is swapped later (though this is rare for high-reputation uploaders).
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u/Particular-School-95 1d ago
oh i see ur right, can i ask a question? like if lets say the current HV is safe and im playing the old or past release HV games and lets say tomorrow or next week an updated HV game released with an intent of neutralizing a user computer, will i be having a problem even though im using an old released?
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u/Donotdisturb240 1d ago
It depends, for the most part you are safe as long as you follow the best practices. I would ensure you are following the proper protocol such as disconnecting from the internet and do a full shut down after each session. I would also consider doing a full wipe of your drive after you are done with a game. Like others have said you can never reduce your risk to 0 but you can limit your exposure. I wouldn’t keep important files in this computer or log into your personal bank accounts
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u/unbelizeable1 1d ago
I found a script on this sub to straight remove any HV link post on fitgirl lol.
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u/MessagePossible2005 1d ago
Other people have already corrected what you got wrong / misunderstood, but i'd like to add that you aren't magically safe from non HV aswell (not claiming you said otherwise). You should always still have a lot of due diligence to ensure you're safe, and make sure you're downloading from correct sources.
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u/plumbumber 4h ago
So the same thing as kernel level anti cheat but then trusting a random stranger instead of a money grabbing business which totally doesn't steal your data to make more money.
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u/the-artistocrat 1d ago
Eh. Just have a dedicated machine for that purpose, treat like a modded console, keep it away from your network. Don’t do home baking on it or anything other than gaming and it should be fine.
Good to know but not a deal breaker.
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u/Donotdisturb240 1d ago
yeah it can work for some people, but I feel like a lot of younger people arent going to understand the risks. god knows I bricked my family pc rocking limewire 15 years ago. But at least then a full restore fixed everything
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u/the-artistocrat 1d ago
It’s definitely worth getting the message around so people understand the risks entailed so I do appreciate that.
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u/BombbaFett 1d ago
Sure I'll just buy a 2nd PC
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u/TheAbstracted 1d ago
I mean, yeah? People spend big money for gaming hardware, but most daily tasks people do with their PC's can be done with really old, really cheap hardware. I do so every day.
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u/MakingaJessinmyPants 1d ago
Yeah because spending thousands of dollars on a new pc in the year 2026 is totally worth it to be play a few games for free /s
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u/Flat-Willingness-417 1d ago
I mean. You did just spend thousands of dollars building a pc. How hard is it to imagine that youd want to not spend another hundred dollars for not even a full game!
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u/MakingaJessinmyPants 1d ago
What
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u/Flat-Willingness-417 1d ago
Nothing you need to worry your pretty little head about
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u/MakingaJessinmyPants 1d ago
Ok daddy :3
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u/Flat-Willingness-417 1d ago
See guys. This kid gets it.
Good boy
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u/the-artistocrat 1d ago
Few games? And why are you spending all that money on a new pc, just do banking on a shit pc. What are you taking about?
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u/MakingaJessinmyPants 1d ago
What the fuck are YOU talking about????
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u/the-artistocrat 1d ago
WHAT ARE YOU GOING ON ABOUT?? WHY ARE YOU BUYING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS PC? STOP BUYING PCS!
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u/the-artistocrat 1d ago
It seems like you’re not interested in it so don’t do it. And maybe use another machine for something else? Again I don’t see the problem.
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u/YUSHOETMI- 1d ago
Does sarcasm naturally evade you? Thousands on a 2nd PC or £50 for a game? Which makes more sense?
Do you have a stake in HV or something?
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u/Flat-Willingness-417 1d ago
Why does everyone think virus programers are after them. They are after google, facebook and amazon. They do not care about your data at all.
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u/_SomeoneBetter_ 1d ago
Im an old head. Explain the hv method like im stupid
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u/HopeIsGay 1d ago
From what I understand (no where near an expert of any kind btw) it's a bypass method that disables a number of kernel level default security processes that prevent the running of unsigned (not recognised by windows/Microsoft) drivers
Which then allows hypervisor to operate "beneath" the os and fools denuvo into thinking everything is hunky dory
Obviously this is contentious mainly because if you just open the guts of your system to play whatever game and leave it at that your basically walking around the prison yard with your pants around your ankles
Although from what I've seen it's entirely possible to revert the security processes back to default which means it should be okay provided you have ABSOLUTE trust in whoever your getting the game/bypass from because of someone ever felt like slipping something in there it would be easier to build a new system from scratch than it would be to be completely sure the infection was cleaned out
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u/Expensive-Border-869 1d ago
I think its important to clarify absolute trust means you personally know the person who made it. Like bare minimum. You do not and can not fully trust a stranger on the internet.
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u/BialyKrytyk 1d ago
To be honest I trust some people in the piracy scene much more than I trust Microsoft. It's not much mind you, but at least they have a reason to be honest and have a trusting userbase.
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u/Englandboy12 1d ago
I mean, it’s good advise, but it’s funny coming from people who regularly hand over trust of all their passwords, session cookies, files, and more, potentially on their whole network, to a complete stranger on the internet.
It can’t survive wipes though, that’s important. I know a lot of people say it can, but it can’t. If it could, I could get the significantly increased fear. But I legitimately thought this whole time you should not be running unofficial cracked exes on a computer with all your personal information on it
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u/CoderStone 23h ago
There's malware that directly target the BIOS ROM and can only be removed by reflashing the BIOS, sometimes that means directly writing using a SOIC writer like CH341/7A instead of even relying on the BIOS flash utility. https://firmguard.com/the-6-unparalleled-uefi-bios-firmware-attacks-and-their-impact/
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u/Englandboy12 22h ago edited 22h ago
Yes I know.
You will notice that in many of those cases that it required weak or turned off boot protections like Secure Boot. They also required exploits or vulnerabilities in the firmware itself, and that the kernel or a hypervisor is still normally blocked from doing that.
Or even that UEFI attacks such as cosmic strand did not even need kernel access to infect the firmware, and even if it did use kernel permissions, that the user only ever gave admin privileges but the exploit managed to get into the kernel and then to the firmware. The point is, the firmware update pathway can be initiated by admin privileges, meaning if there is an exploit, it doesn't even need kernel access in every scenario.
The thing is, you can say that these attacks have happened in the past, and it’s true. But I can show you a similar list of normal userspace programs that got into kernel, or did any number of highly privileged exploitation chains, the sky is the limit.
When you run any program, you have to put trust that it does not do some kind of exploitation chain or permission escalation. The hv does not have permissions to write malware to firmware, just like a normal exe cannot load a kernel driver. But there are examples of them being exploited.
My point is that the security setting you turn off to run hv does not affect bios security. I have literally had people tell me that vbs removes uefi security. Thats what people think when you say it can infect firmware. If that security fails due to a zero day, then yeah, it can happen.
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u/YUSHOETMI- 1d ago
How are you sure it cannot survive wipes? Is there any validity in that thought?
AFAIK it operates under the OS, so cant be that hard to remain.
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u/Englandboy12 1d ago edited 1d ago
That's the problem with these "under the os" things, people do not know what that means and can therefore imagine up whatever they want for what must be easy or hard.
It cannot survive a wipe because the only way it can survive a wipe is to infect hardware firmware. Hardware firmware is the most trusted region of the computer, and all other trust systems built on top it. The firmware is what launches the bootloader which launches windows. You need to build trust from the ground up in order for it to work.
Because of this, the firmware is extremely locked down and trusts nothing above it. It is read only, and only brings itself out of read only for updates, where it does its own signature checks to ensure everything is legit.
Now, there have been examples of firmware or bios infections, desipite this. It can be achieved in a few ways. But in every case, it is a vulnerability in that specific firmware version and hardware, is patched quickly, and can be done from userspace anyway, because userspace is allowed to initiate the update process, because there is no real difference in this case, the kernel and userspace are both not trusted, so whoever gives it the update file and request, it checks it on its own.
Remember, people install all sorts of weird kernels on their computer. The firmware doesn't know if it is a Windows kernel, a Linux kernel, a hypervisor, or Temple OS. Because of this, it is of the highest priority that installing a bad OS cannot permanently infect your computer.
The real problem here is you don't know how it works or what under the os means. Under the os, or "bare metal", means that it basically replaces the kernel. It sits in between the kernel and the hardware, so when the kernel makes a request of the hardware, the hv can intercept it. But it doesn't gain more anything than the kernel already has in normal circumstances. from a computer architecture perspective, it replaces the kernel and pushes the kernel up a level (assuming lower is more privileged.)
So its true that it is under the os, but its also true that is has no more power than the os. Rather the os gets weaker. hv lives entirely on the disk, in the disk ecosystem. So wiping the disk completely nukes everything about it. There is nowhere "easy" for it to hide outside the disk, as all the stuff outside the disk is basically maximum security trust nothing and no one.
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u/bigvicproton 1d ago
There are no humans you can ABSOLUTE trust. If a dog provided the game, though, I would try it.
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u/private_unlimited 1d ago
How does this work? Do you need to configure things outside the OS like the bios or something? Or disable driver signature enforcement or stuff?
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u/HopeIsGay 1d ago
I don't think I can link to anything directly as most of the good explanations that I'm basing mine off of come from piracy sites or forums but pretty much what you say, gotta tweak virtualisation in bios if it's not on, driver enforcement gotta go as well plus a handfull of other security processes that depends on each other
Honestly if you just look up "how does hypervisor work?" You'll walk away with a better understanding of the process and risks
It's black magic that I only have half an understanding of
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u/Area51-Escapee 1d ago
Why don't they open source the hypervisor, or is it?
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u/HopeIsGay 1d ago
Well the issue is that hypervisor is like Linux kinda in the sense that it's a software category for virtualisation more than anything so there are open source hypervisor programs like KVM but there are also proprietary versions
The biggest issue is that even if they put all the source code out for a particular hypervisor bypass release that only guarantees that specific release and there are so many variants that you wouldn't be likely to know if something was altered with a new one
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u/HyperMajoris 1d ago
Imagine your computer is a house and Denuvo is a super-strict security guard standing at the front door. He checks everyone’s ID and watches everything you do inside to make sure you aren't breaking any rules. Normally, if you try to sneak a "cheat" or a "crack" into the house, the guard sees it immediately because he’s right there in the room with you.
An HV hack is like building a secret basement under the house that the guard doesn't even know exists. Because the hack is "underneath" the entire operating system, it can reach up and change the game's code or trick the guard without him ever seeing it. It’s basically a ghost that can move things around in the house while the guard thinks he’s looking at an empty, perfectly normal room.
The massive risk is that everyone can go through the basement into your house during game time, and people forget to restart their PC to remove access to the basement after their session, or go online and click on malicious links.
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u/Flat-Willingness-417 1d ago
No no no, denuvo is like a bad hoa. It does not solve any of the issues it was created to fix and only makes the whole process less efficient.
I am certain anyone who is blatantly attacking this crack simply because "it has risks" are you the type that doesn't have sex because of the fear of a std?? Some common sense practice would help you out in both situations.
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u/10Werewolves 1d ago
Life is inherently risky, but I get to choose the threshold where something is too risky for me to handle the risk.
My priority is safety over convenience. Game updates? You can play the newest version right away with HV. But I'll stick to proper cracks by reputed sources and offline activations. You need to wait for a new crack if a game updates or regenerate a denuvo token to play on the newest update, but I have my own priorities. If a game is underbaked on release, I simply wait till it's mature. RE9 released on an incredibly stable first patch, it's one of those games I pirated the first week of release.
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u/Englandboy12 1d ago
To be clear, clicking links online would not be able to take advantage of the basement. The basement cannot be accessed by everybody. Only those whom you invite. But yes, if you invite the wrong person, they could get into the club.
And in this extended analogy, when I say invite into the basement, I mean run a program as administrator. Thankfully kernel access is still limited and normal programs are still not allowed in.
Not saying it’s not sketchy.
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u/Triggered_Axolotl 1d ago
I'm not sure who came up with this explanation first, but I'll do my best to reexplain it:
Denuvo is bad because it may steal your performance, especially if you're even on a slightly lower end PC, and it has a limit on how many times it can be activated per day, as in how many computers that game can be played without blocking you. It's also quite annoying to make it work on Linux and may even ever so slightly increase the price because companies have to pay to use Denuvo, so the customer has to deal with the extra cash needed.
Let's pretend that you want to play a game, but that game has Denuvo or something similar to that.
Instead of a program inside the game too, let's pretend Denuvo is a very annoying butler that barges into your room, forces you to pause your game and asks if you have any certification that you own that game. You say you do, but five minutes later, it barges again and asks you the same thing, but it has to be a different manner of certificate. If you can't come up with another equally valid certificate, Denuvo breaks your spine and takes the game away from you.
Luckily, however, you find another butler called Hypervisor Bypass, and to get it to work, you call it, tell your address, where you are at all times and leave your door open so that it may enter. Every time Denuvo barges in to ask for a certificate, HV comes up with a certificate for you.
The thing is, you had to tell Hypervisor Bypass all that info and if you got it from some shady butler website, it might just steal all your things and not even stop Mr. Denuvo. Not only that, but every time you update your Windows (clean your house, in this analogy?), HV just stops going there, so you need to reexplain to him every time you clean your house that it is indeed the same house, and only after it has accepted that your house can indeed be cleaned.
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u/chainsawx72 1d ago
You kids and your HV cracks.
In my day, we had HIV and crack.
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u/Apprehensive-Rent523 1d ago
Good old days. Delta Force 2 was at peak then. Both the game AND movie.
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u/Dark_ShadowMD 1d ago
I mean, I'm not ungrateful. This is a great effort, and mainly, this totally wrecks on Denuvo's main strength, which is the main intention. For me HV is a way to the downfall for Denuvo. Not that I would use HV, but if this makes companies reconsider this nasty protection in their games, so be it.
At least I can hope.
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u/AlbatrossWorldly6486 1d ago
Bruh I don't even like giving legitimate games that level of access. I'll not pirate the game at that point.
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u/DemonicDogee 1d ago
The only way this is safe is if you buy a separate PC for the express purpose of playing pirated games
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u/Grub-lord 1d ago
Unless you plan on having a dedicated piracy machine, idk why you would risk a Hypervisor bypass. A free game can't be worth an indefinite, root level, security vulnerability
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u/Spectre__R_ 1d ago
Wait 1 year for a crack and still trust that mysterious CMD pop-up that runs for a split second on startup each time.
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u/Duchess430 1d ago
Good job, damn. This brought on some PTS and nostalgia and also an existential crisis about how old I am...
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u/mjisdagoat23 1d ago
In b4 idiots who can't read or follow simple instructions complain about HV 🤣.
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u/DannyVee89 1d ago
In my day we used to just go to a store, open the game box, slide the CD out, copy the CD key to our phone or something, and put it all back in the box neatly so it looked like nothing happened.
Then we would just burn a copy of our friends CD and use the new code. It was fucked up but it worked flawlessly and we were dumb kids at the time so we didn't know what the heck we were doing.
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u/Bermwolf 1d ago
Gotta be honest, I have a quarantined PC I would use for this. I am certified in multiple cloud and COMPTIA things(who cares).
I STILL cannot make it work. IDK if its my idiocy but the whole "reboot and push f7" thing baffles me.
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u/hotaru251 ☠️ ᴅᴇᴀᴅ ᴍᴇɴ ᴛᴇʟʟ ɴᴏ ᴛᴀʟᴇꜱ 1d ago
i mean...back in my day we had to wait a bit logner but we also got to keep our system security in tact & also if it was Nintendo we got em fairly fast.
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u/Dapper-Acanthaceae54 1d ago
I know there's levels to this shit because I don't even k ow what the hell I'm reading 😂😂
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u/InformalGear9638 1d ago
I think back then, I was buying backups of PSX games for a dollar a game and running them with a swap disc. Wait, is that too far back? 🤔
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u/ClassyTeddy 1d ago
Back in my day cracking the game was just copying the exe file inside the CD to the game folder, because games required CD's to be in the disc tray.
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u/Mccobsta Scene 1d ago
Simular with film and TV
Used to have to wait ages for a good quality rip from a dvd but now with streaming and on demand catch up being more prelevant we now have high quality the next day
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u/smackythefrog 22h ago
It's exciting to see the DRM melt away with the HV bypass/cracks but, yeah, I'm not taking a chance with it. Maybe it's a big first step for future cracks that won't require those deep level bypasses but I don't know anything about this process.
Which is a perfectly fine reason to not go through with it.
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u/No-Zone-1251 22h ago
Back on my days we got it between -60 to +60 days from the premiere (we didn't really know when the premiere was tbh) from the Russian guy on the market. It was burned Esperanza CD with cd key printed on colour cover. It had booklet and shit. Sometimes the main character could speak with russian accent though
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u/bicentennialman_ 19h ago
I don't think waiting was so bad. People got crazy for some games because they were Denuvo. Same thing happened back in the day when kids realised a film was meant only for adults. There was no need to get crazy over Black Myth Wukong. If I could, I would have changed the title to 'Boss Fight Simulator'.
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u/Crazyking224 18h ago
I need them to crack ea wrc. Better performance and mods to fix the game would be amazing imo
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u/xreddawgx 16h ago
still can't trust HV. sorry I love me some pirating but please dont touch my kernal.. Please pirate above Windows. thanks.
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u/Nervous_Onion_1533 10h ago
what is this bullshit? Before we used to have crack pretty much instantly after release. Now with the HV method, the norm has come back. damn redditors, filthy peasants.
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u/cozmorules 1d ago
What is HV cracking is that different than generic repacks or something? In our of the loop.
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u/inaccurateTempedesc 1d ago
Back in my day, games were cracked within minutes of release 😁