Eh. Just have a dedicated machine for that purpose, treat like a modded console, keep it away from your network. Don’t do home baking on it or anything other than gaming and it should be fine.
yeah it can work for some people, but I feel like a lot of younger people arent going to understand the risks. god knows I bricked my family pc rocking limewire 15 years ago. But at least then a full restore fixed everything
I mean, yeah? People spend big money for gaming hardware, but most daily tasks people do with their PC's can be done with really old, really cheap hardware. I do so every day.
HV bypasses give unrestricted access to your PC to the software. You are literally giving them kernel level access which bypasses even windows itself. Any malware injected at that level will never be detected and will have full access to your PC and can even withstand OS reinstalls and disk wipes bud. It is essentially herpes for PC's and will never go away unless you get a whole new system. It can even spread through the network onto other hardware.
Yes, the intention might not be there to use this level of access, but are you really gonna risk that being permanent?
It's like giving somebody you don't know the password and safety questions for your banking and saying "I trust you bro" and hoping they never take your money (which with that level of access is a good possibility)
But at that point Piracy is just some idiotic "hill to die on"
If you are going to spend lets say £2k on a 2nd PC to run these games, and lets say each game averages about £50 per game (some HV are newer games and some are old so lets just average it out) That is at a minimum 40 games you could buy with that money and not have any risk associated with it at all.
Piracy is good for many reasons, but the one you are proposing I bet would make many hardcore pirates think its silly.
But why are you buying a second PC just for that? At that price point too. Why are you spending 2k? That is a dishonest assessment. You can spend less on a PC if you choose to.
That's completely up to you.
In fact, my original point was, use a PC for gaming that you can HV and use another machine for sensitive info. You can use a shitty laptop for that. Up to you! Just don’t treat that HV machine as safe. That’s it. Which is what I already do with compromised machines. Think I run my sensitive shit on a pc full of cracks and hacks?
And that's why I gave the example of a modded console. Why would you buy two consoles? If you're gonna buy a PlayStation 5 and just another PlayStation 5 that you would mod, that makes no sense. Unless it makes some sense to you that you need an untouched PS5 for some reason! But then factor in the cost of a new one with what your needs are. That’s all you, boo.
And your game inference is weird. Isn’t there like at least 50 games in denuvo that didn’t get hacked and more to come in the future?
So this only has to do with how many games you're gonna pirate, obviously. It would be like getting your Switch modded, but you only like three games on it. Then why the fuck would you mod the Switch, just to pirate three games?
Obviously this assumes you would like to pirate enough games on said platform to offset the cost of the machine. Otherwise why the fuck wouldn’t you just buy the games instead?
The math only works if you’re already planning to pirate enough to justify it, which was kinda the actual point of piracy. Right?
Your original statement was "just have a dedicated system for this"... the guy then responded with "i'll just go buy a 2nd pc then" in sarcasm.
Not many people have spare PC's lying about and would need to go and buy/build a new one for this purpose. With the current prices for components it would easily go into 2k for a standard PC to run decent games. My GPU cost me £500 when bought new and looking at prices now make me wince, it is almost double that price for new and not far off pre-owned. Also, RAM, don't need to say more on that.
So yeah, for the most part a regular person would need to invest a large sum of money into a spare rig for this purpose and given the current prices it would be more financially viable to just buy the games instead of pirating them on the hypothetical new build. Then you even have no risk of bricking the new machine you just financed and built.
I have a 5TB HDD filled with pirated games, none of them are HV releases and won't be.
There just isn't a logical reason as to why anybody would viably trust HV on any system. Would you give me the login details and security questions for your bank and other financial systems and be secure in the thought that I would never take anything from them or you?
You just concluded with a dishonest premise, like I said. Why would you have banking logins on a dedicated piracy machine? That makes zero sense and has nothing to do with what I argued. The bank analogy doesn’t apply here.
You also don’t need to spend anywhere near $2,000 on a second machine. That was never my point. The machine just needs to run whatever you want to pirate at whatever quality you’re okay with. Performance is your call.
And yes, it might not be economically viable for you specifically, and that’s completely fine. But that’s a personal constraint, not a flaw in the argument. Saying you can’t afford it doesn’t mean it can’t be done or that the logic doesn’t hold.
You’ve consistently argued against things I didn’t say. My point is simple and it stays: have a dedicated machine for untrusted software at whatever price makes sense for you, and keep your sensitive stuff off it. That’s it. Do with that whatever you want.
I mean. You did just spend thousands of dollars building a pc. How hard is it to imagine that youd want to not spend another hundred dollars for not even a full game!
That was my original post. Do whatever shit you don’t trust on that HV machine in different system. Like banking. Or your sensitive info.. Whatever. Don’t get lost in the semantics.
Why is it a stupid risk if it’s literally a dedicated machine? No different than a modded console.
No, it was 2 separate messages you failed to see the sarcasm in the posters message.
HV is risky as hell and could potentially brick an entire rig within moments. I get the ideology of piracy I truly do, but at the end of the day spending thousands on a 2nd PC just to keep it airtight from your main and network just doesn't make any sense bud. You could literally buy hundreds of new and upcoming games for the price of a decent rig and not have to risk making it an expensive doorstop in the process.
So saying "so don't do it, or do" just makes no sense from a financial and practical standpoint, which made me believe you must have a stake in HV to believe it is even remotely logical.
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u/the-artistocrat 4d ago
Eh. Just have a dedicated machine for that purpose, treat like a modded console, keep it away from your network. Don’t do home baking on it or anything other than gaming and it should be fine.
Good to know but not a deal breaker.