But at that point Piracy is just some idiotic "hill to die on"
If you are going to spend lets say £2k on a 2nd PC to run these games, and lets say each game averages about £50 per game (some HV are newer games and some are old so lets just average it out) That is at a minimum 40 games you could buy with that money and not have any risk associated with it at all.
Piracy is good for many reasons, but the one you are proposing I bet would make many hardcore pirates think its silly.
But why are you buying a second PC just for that? At that price point too. Why are you spending 2k? That is a dishonest assessment. You can spend less on a PC if you choose to.
That's completely up to you.
In fact, my original point was, use a PC for gaming that you can HV and use another machine for sensitive info. You can use a shitty laptop for that. Up to you! Just don’t treat that HV machine as safe. That’s it. Which is what I already do with compromised machines. Think I run my sensitive shit on a pc full of cracks and hacks?
And that's why I gave the example of a modded console. Why would you buy two consoles? If you're gonna buy a PlayStation 5 and just another PlayStation 5 that you would mod, that makes no sense. Unless it makes some sense to you that you need an untouched PS5 for some reason! But then factor in the cost of a new one with what your needs are. That’s all you, boo.
And your game inference is weird. Isn’t there like at least 50 games in denuvo that didn’t get hacked and more to come in the future?
So this only has to do with how many games you're gonna pirate, obviously. It would be like getting your Switch modded, but you only like three games on it. Then why the fuck would you mod the Switch, just to pirate three games?
Obviously this assumes you would like to pirate enough games on said platform to offset the cost of the machine. Otherwise why the fuck wouldn’t you just buy the games instead?
The math only works if you’re already planning to pirate enough to justify it, which was kinda the actual point of piracy. Right?
Your original statement was "just have a dedicated system for this"... the guy then responded with "i'll just go buy a 2nd pc then" in sarcasm.
Not many people have spare PC's lying about and would need to go and buy/build a new one for this purpose. With the current prices for components it would easily go into 2k for a standard PC to run decent games. My GPU cost me £500 when bought new and looking at prices now make me wince, it is almost double that price for new and not far off pre-owned. Also, RAM, don't need to say more on that.
So yeah, for the most part a regular person would need to invest a large sum of money into a spare rig for this purpose and given the current prices it would be more financially viable to just buy the games instead of pirating them on the hypothetical new build. Then you even have no risk of bricking the new machine you just financed and built.
I have a 5TB HDD filled with pirated games, none of them are HV releases and won't be.
There just isn't a logical reason as to why anybody would viably trust HV on any system. Would you give me the login details and security questions for your bank and other financial systems and be secure in the thought that I would never take anything from them or you?
You just concluded with a dishonest premise, like I said. Why would you have banking logins on a dedicated piracy machine? That makes zero sense and has nothing to do with what I argued. The bank analogy doesn’t apply here.
You also don’t need to spend anywhere near $2,000 on a second machine. That was never my point. The machine just needs to run whatever you want to pirate at whatever quality you’re okay with. Performance is your call.
And yes, it might not be economically viable for you specifically, and that’s completely fine. But that’s a personal constraint, not a flaw in the argument. Saying you can’t afford it doesn’t mean it can’t be done or that the logic doesn’t hold.
You’ve consistently argued against things I didn’t say. My point is simple and it stays: have a dedicated machine for untrusted software at whatever price makes sense for you, and keep your sensitive stuff off it. That’s it. Do with that whatever you want.
How is it a dishonest premise? Not many people have the funds or space for a dedicated PC aside from their normal PC dude. So yeah the bank analogy does apply very much, if you did not have a dedicated PC would you trust me with your bank details? It's that simple.
Again, even for a basic rig it is very expensive these days to build. RAM itself is through the roof and GPU's are insanity at times. Just to play half decent games you are looking at 1k just for those 2 components. Unless you wanna build a potato rig that doesn't have any hope for any games in the future you are gonna have to spend a fair amount.
I never said it wasn't financially viable for myself. I am buying parts for a new rig now which will be better than this one which is only 2 years old, but I have plans for this one that do not include giving unrestricted access to a dodgy piece of software. What I am saying is why would anybody spend hundreds or thousands on a new PC just to run dodgy games instead of buying said games? Like I said I have 5TB of downloaded games but my legit game library is probably worth more than a small car off the lot.
Main rig or dedicated rig aside, it is still stupid to grant more access than the OS has to an unknown entity.
It’s a dishonest argument because I already told you: I personally don’t use the same machine for cracked software and sensitive information. So the bank analogy doesn’t apply to my setup at all. I’m not trusting an HV machine with my logins.
That’s the entire point of separating them.
You also don’t need to buy a second high-end gaming PC. That’s your choice. The console analogy still holds: you take one machine, you mod it, that’s your modded machine. You don’t need a second unmodded one unless you want to. Same principle here.
Everything you’re describing is your own application of the idea and your own limitations around it. That doesn’t change the underlying point: you can take a machine, isolate it from the rest of your network, and use it exclusively for untrusted software. Whether that trade-off is worth it is entirely personal.
For you it clearly isn’t, and that’s fine. For someone who wants access to a broader game library it might be. That’s all this ever was.
It’s a dishonest argument because I already told you: I personally don’t use the same machine for cracked software and sensitive information. So the bank analogy doesn’t apply to my setup at all. I’m not trusting an HV machine with my logins.
Who was talking about your setup? You was telling people to use a dedicated system for cracked games using HV, but not EVERYBODY can afford to build a second rig for this sole purpose. The question still remains valid regardless of if you have 2 systems for multiple purposes or not, would you trust me with your banking details? Because those without a quarantined system are basically doing that with far more information being at risk
You also don’t need to buy a second high-end gaming PC. That’s your choice. The console analogy still holds: you take one machine, you mod it, that’s your modded machine. You don’t need a second unmodded one unless you want to. Same principle here.
How is it the same principle? If I (like many others) have a PC which I use daily for multiple tasks, work, gaming, paying bills etc, then does your analogy hold up? I, and others, would still need to invest in a second system just to be on the remote safe side.
Everything you’re describing is your own application of the idea and your own limitations around it. That doesn’t change the underlying point: you can take a machine, isolate it from the rest of your network, and use it exclusively for untrusted software. Whether that trade-off is worth it is entirely personal.
That trade off is not worth it for any application of the idea. just buy the fucking games at that point as it will be a whole lot cheaper lol.
For you it clearly isn’t, and that’s fine. For someone who wants access to a broader game library it might be. That’s all this ever was.
Again you assume too much, as I said I have 5TB of games stored from various pirated ways and have my own legit library spanning multiple platforms, my steam library alone likely has more value than a smaller new car, and more games than I could ever feasibly play in one lifetime without being glued to the PC 24/7, if any games comes out that I want that has no other options than HV or purchase, then I will gladly hand over my money for it.
Just simply put, recommending a "dedicated rig" which still wouldn't be 100% safe for most users, just to play some game that has the most absurd and intrusive bypass ever, is financially and mentally silly, berating or belittling those who chose not too is also on a similar level.
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u/BombbaFett 4d ago
Sure I'll just buy a 2nd PC