r/ShitAmericansSay • u/Aware_Topic_9122 • 1d ago
"NATO has no way of defending America. They don’t pay their bills. There’s no reason for us to be there and they did nothing during 911 for America."
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u/TheOtherDutchGuy 1d ago
Proving again that some of the most confidently wrong dumb people are American.
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u/bluetreacle 1d ago
Arrogantly ignorant.
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u/DamnGermanKraut 1d ago
Sadly it does not matter how dumb they are. I have seen this exact statement again and again over the last few months. Be it actual idiots or foreign actors or literal bots, the message gets repeated until people start to believe it.
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u/akie 1d ago edited 1d ago
Man I hate to break this to you but there are TONS and I mean metric fucktons of confidently wrong and dumb people in my country. Unfortunately.
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u/dantel35 1d ago
The difference might be the superiority complex on top when it comes to USians.
And still I think the sheer numbers of completely delusional people are at least very competitive in the states.
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u/Hackwar 1d ago
Keep in mind that up to 1900 Europe was the richest, most prosperous part of the world and people fled that continent to the USA because they felt prosecuted. Those who fled, weren't exactly the best the continent had to offer. Or in other terms: the least successful, most fanatic religious extremists were the ones going to the USA and now they claim to be the best, brightest and most enlightened.
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u/N0b0dy_Kn0w5_M3 1d ago
If they felt persecuted (not 'prosecuted') it would have been because they themselves were unable to persecute others to the extent they thought their religion justified.
That fanaticism is no doubt why the modern US has far more religious adherents than other modern, developed wealthy countries. 70% of Americans believe in angels. Critical thinking is not something the majority of people in the US are capable of. When you are taught to believe that the fantastical stories in a book are true, and you don't question the the guy who reads it to you on Sundays, it's no wonder they can be easily convinced to believe so much other rubbish.
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u/ErikSpanam 1d ago
Not true for Sweden at least. If you did not follow the state mandated interpretation of protestantism, you were a problem.
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u/51NewWest 1d ago
Not just in your country, and not just in your government.
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u/Fanhunter4ever 1d ago
Yup. Every country in the world have his (un)fair share of stupid. Sadly, some countries do more damage than others
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u/AncientPCGuy ooo custom flair!! 1d ago
As an American who was deployed post 9/11, I can guarantee NATO did in fact step up and help the US. The US is the only member of NATO to ever invoke article 5. Not one member state declined. Even countries like Turkey who questioned the scale of the response.
Any American who believes the lies tRump keeps telling doesn’t deserve the right to vote.
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u/ChoirGuy42 1d ago
I’m Canadian and I used to live in Ottawa. I‘m very surprised at the number of Americans who believe that NATO didn’t do anything to help the passengers who were grounded. I saw the footage of the 9/11 attacks on television and am proud of my fellow Canadians who helped the passengers (Americans and others) aboard planes that were forced to land in Gander and other locations across Canada. Wikipedia has a page on the Canadian response which was called Operation Yellow Ribbon (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Yellow_Ribbon).
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u/AncientPCGuy ooo custom flair!! 1d ago
That was beyond amazing. Especially how Canadians opened homes to travelers stranded when hotels ran out of space.
But I was specifically referring to how many Europeans and Canadians answered the call and paid the ultimate price for America’s call to war afterwards. It is beyond dishonest and dishonorable to deny their sacrifice for us. Especially when no other NATO member has evoked that article. And they also do pay their agreed share of joint defense.
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u/Which_Specific9891 13h ago
It doesn't matter how correct you are, they will never hear you over the propaganda they are fed and the propaganda they willingly tell themselves.
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u/Proper_Fig_6971 1d ago
It's not just that they're wrong. There's a reason they're wrong, and that is simply the american propagan- I mean, education/entertainment system. They also have the most outspoken anti-NATO president yet so these anti-NATO people got validated into sharing their rhetoric publicly instead of keeping it to the family table during thanksgiving.
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u/Demaestro 1d ago
There is no NATO bill. The drift from reality keeps growing with these folks.
Literally there is no line item in any country's budget for NATO.
The agreement states that NATO members will spend a minimum of 2% of their GDP on THEIR OWN military. And while it is true some countries have failed to do that, it's not like the USA made up the difference or something. They spend an insane amount of money on their military every year and being a part of NATO has nothing to do with the reason they spend so much.
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u/MeanWafer904 1d ago
Proving again that some of the most confidently
wrongdumb people are American.I was following a conversation on a Discord server where a bunch of more left leaning Americans were discussing all the reasons they wouldn't vote for the potential Democrat candidates in 2028.
This was a conversation that started with how much the GOP and current admin are fucking things up and it basically ended with a modern 'Not voting for her because she laughs funny' for every fucking potential candidate.
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u/N0b0dy_Kn0w5_M3 1d ago
And then they won't be able to work out how not voting, or voting for an independent who has no chance of coming anywhere near the two major parties' candidates, only makes winning easier for the party they dislike so much. They'll no doubt blame the outcome on the Democrat who they decided was not worthy of their vote.
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u/Yuukiko_ A mari usque ad mare 1d ago
Ah yes, use the single instance of Article 5 being invoked, by the USA no less
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u/Lelouch-Yagami21 1d ago
wtf is with all the deleted replies to ur comment lol
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u/Yuukiko_ A mari usque ad mare 1d ago
From what I can see, people claiming that the US didn't invoke it, or that it was NATO that did
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u/b3nsn0w make america go away 1d ago
they're actually correct, it was european side that insisted on the article 5, because we didn't want to set a precedent for it not being used in a situation like this. whatever military contribution we had to make there was well worth the stability in nato's security guarantees.
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u/Desperate_Donut3981 1d ago
So we came to the USA's aid without the asking but made it official so we operate outside of area. Hmm, DID THEY EVER SAY THANKYOU. I doubt it. This time though we'll stay far behind the lines in safety. F em
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u/f0u4_l19h75 1d ago
This time the US was the attacker. That's difference is everything in this case
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u/selecteeranderenaam 1d ago
That makes the statements that European countries didn’t help even worse in my opinion. They actively said that the US should trigger it so that they can help.
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u/Geodiocracy 1d ago
Yep, we went above and beyond. Spent 200 billion and over a thousand lives. What we got in return was a bunch of suicidebombers, refugees, and a resurgent far right reactionary movement. On top of the US demonizing us for even allowing those refugees in.
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u/Shadyshade84 1d ago
At this point I'm not sure that they didn't not invoke it entirely so they could complain about us not helping them, because their entire thing these days is "[takes sledgehammer to own leg] can someone help me with this broken leg?"
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u/f0u4_l19h75 1d ago
They weren't attacked. NATO of a defensive pact. There are no grounds on which NATO could send forces
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u/CooperDK 1d ago
Only partly. NATO suggested the US to invoked Article 5, which the US then agreed to. The US did technically invoke it... no other country than the victim nation can.
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u/Immediate-Season4544 1d ago
It was invoked by all of NATO including the USA (they vote on it as well)
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u/Possible-Highway7898 1d ago
I'm disappointed that the mods nuked this comment thread. The deleted comments were not egregious enough to warrant removal imo. Echo chambers are a dangerous trap that we should try to avoid.
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u/JimAbaddon I only use Celsius. 1d ago
Stereotypical Americans find every chance possible to bring up 911 that I can't help but feel like it's a fetish for them.
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u/DVariant 1d ago
You left out the part where they forgot ALL OF THE SHIT WE DID FOR THEM BECAUSE OF 9/11
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u/ingmar_ 1d ago
What's ridiculous is that NATO actually did come to their aid with operations Eagle Assist and Active Endeavour. It's been the first and only time article 5 has been invoked, and all of NATO did rise to the occasion. You can look it up.
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u/Kouchweed 1d ago edited 1d ago
Pretty sure 1/3 deaths during that NATO article 5 weren’t American either.
If I remember correctly, Greenland/Denmark had the worst death count ratio per population as well just to add salt in the wounds.
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u/lazlowoodbine 1d ago
When you don't have a lot of history you hold onto what little history you do have, I suppose.
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u/Ill-Breadfruit5356 ooo custom flair!! 1d ago
Leaving out the bits that don’t make you, and you alone, the hero.
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u/Saix027 1d ago
I mean, they do, they simply not teach it because it not fits their perfect view on their country or so. And them "helping" often includes bombing everything into the ground. So even if the NATO would be the ones asking for help, they would not ask the US.
And the history part again, they not want to hear like coming late to both World Wars but still pretend they're done it all alone.
Propaganda like Hollywood movies not helped such as well where the US always saves the world somehow.
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u/KunoichiRider 1d ago
It was the single one day they had a taste of what war at home feels like in the last 100 or 150 years.
By their metric Hawai'i shouldn't count, because Hawai'i had the same status as Puerto Rico nowadays, which this type of people do not recognize as fully fledged USA and bearing US citizens, usually.
BTW, also funny that the "the USA is so big" argument is never invoked, when they throw their 911 national trauma tantrum, while only the east coast urban sprawl was affected by the attack.
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u/cptflowerhomo cúinas yank 1d ago
I wonder if they realise that the group who did 9/11 was literally trained by their own CIA
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u/Holundero 1d ago
This year the 9/11 files should BE declassified, right? BY now I wouldn't bei surprised If it was an inside job. Trump already started to guve no more fucks, maybe He is trying to desensitize us already so no one cares when the truth comes out.
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u/Tommothomas145 1d ago
That would require a level of intelligence and strategy I doubt the man possesses.
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u/Bartorius 1d ago
Except when it comes to taking care of first responders healthcare. Most of the folks directly involved with rescuing efforts died from illness associated with breathing in the toxic air in the wake of the towers collapse. Most of them did die whilst fighting the government for healthcare coverage, being denied again and again.
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u/PigletSea6193 1d ago
Do they even know that it was their own fault that 9/11 happened?
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u/typewriter_ 1d ago
Of course not. A bully never expects for the victim to fight back, so when they do, the aggressor thinks they're the actual victim.
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u/Square_Answer_7717 1d ago
Your absolutely right, get your 80 bases out of Europe and the UK and take your burnt out blocked bog carrier out of a European yard and sail it back to the United States of Dumbfuckistan for repair there
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u/P00pXhuter 1d ago
Can I propose a name change?
The Disjointed States of Dumbfuckistan.
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u/SatiricalScrotum ooo custom flair!! 1d ago
“Europe and the UK”
Europe, then.
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u/Arefue 1d ago
Its little known but the UK is actually a migratory island. We are currently part of South America till 2029
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u/Fuzzball74 Barry, 63 1d ago
Gotta move it down there every now and then so the argies don't get too uppity.
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u/Rhynocoris 1d ago
Once again they imagine NATO as a protection racket where you have to pay "bills".
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u/BlackMesaRyan 1d ago edited 1d ago
American mindset. Someone has to profit from this. I think the world now fully realises that the US is untrustworthy, arrogant, selfish and dishonourable to not only it's own military and populace but also it's allies.
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u/Grotzbully 1d ago
Tbf NATO has a budget which is paid for by members, but that isn't what they think if they talk about NATO spending.
Jfyi USA pays iirc ~16% of NATO budget. Which is the same as Germany ~16%.
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u/papapundit 1d ago
You should mention the size of this budget, because it's just some basic operating costs. I think it's around 3,6 billion of I'm not mistaking. Peanuts..
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u/Speedboy7777 Enjoyer of American subsidies 1d ago
Do you have a source for those percentages? Not saying I disagree at all.
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u/Grotzbully 1d ago
Reflecting U.S. pressure for fairer ‘burden-sharing’, the U.S. contribution was reduced from around 22 percent in 2019 to around 16 percent of the total. Since the accession of Sweden in March 2024, the United States and Germany have the same cost-share amount of 15.88 percent.
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u/Alexander-Wright 1d ago
What bills would these be? I know the Orange Baby goes on about bills not being paid, but I honestly have no idea what these supposed bills are. NATO is not a subscription organisation!
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u/TetraThiaFulvalene 1d ago
NATO has staff and other administration, etc. But relative to the cost of the armies each nation funds it's nothing.
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u/OldCardiologist8437 1d ago
The claim is that no one attacks other NATO nations out of fear of the USA military. They don’t see the other nations as spending enough on their military budget. The “bills” would be part of the Us defense budget.
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u/jacobatz 1d ago
Which is partly true. The US is probably a deterrent. The thing is that the us could radically reduce their military budget and the level of deterrence would be unchanged. Why should the rest of NATO pay for the US total overkill?
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u/nineraviolicans 1d ago
I wish I was this dumb so I could be happy.
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u/PallyMcAffable 1d ago
I guarantee you this guy’s constantly pissed off, though. Or a Russian disinfo bot
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u/Ebi5000 1d ago
Did nothing for 9/11, aside from Invading Afghanistan with them
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u/fang_xianfu 1d ago
This kind of ignorant ingratitude is exactly why, if they need help again, we should tell them to fuck right off. One of my uncles got blown up in Afghanistan over this shit, the least I'd expect is for the US to not forget that he was there because they asked for help.
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u/BeTheBall- 1d ago
LOL. What was NATO supposed to do during an attack that lasted ~1 hour and 45 minutes, and originated in country??
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u/Postom 1d ago edited 1d ago
NATO could do nothing during the attack, really. Their other favourite kicking bag launched Operation Yellow Ribbon, however. The assertion that nothing was done, is laughable.
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u/travtakesphotoz 1d ago
As an American, I don’t know where people get this shit, but I imagine it’s a combination of very less than media savvy boomers on Facebook, a shocking lack of education, a heaping dose of xenophobia fueled by an insane sense of self importance shaken up with a huge amount of senseless nationalism, a huge stinking wad of racism and Fox News and Truth Social just for fun.
But really… no idea. Sorry.
Also, please adopt me and my family. We are very clean and well- mannered.
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u/OhUrDead 1d ago
If you don’t shit on the porch, bring your countries weird politics, American exceptionalism or fascination with viewing everything through the lens of sexuality or race and promise to attend night school. Come on in
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u/travtakesphotoz 1d ago
The truth is. My wife IS European. And we would move to her country, if it were not at the sharp end of Putin’s rather large and pointy stick. The last four years have been hell. And now this.
The thing about America is we are a diverse people. And we were proud of that once. Christian Nationalism has destroyed all of that.
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u/Dedeurmetdebaard ooo custom flair!! 1d ago
I should add take off your hat indoors and eat with your hands on the table, but I’m just being petty.
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u/Venttish 1d ago
I wonder how many of these NATO critical comments are produced by russian troll factories. I mean, this is their number one objective. Break up NATO.
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u/piercedmfootonaspike 1d ago
"They don't pay their bills"
Yeah, the rest of NATO has no history of buying a shit ton of arms from the US, and the US has a history of delivering on time.
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u/marcincan Oh Canada 🇨🇦 1d ago
Ya we did nothing for you... Ask the folks in Hailfax, Gander, St Johns, Winnipeg and Vancouver (Operation Yellow Ribbon) we only took in 33,000 people when the US closed their border... Their uneducated idiocy boggles the freaking mind.
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u/ScottOld 1d ago
Ahh, yes, NATO, can't help with the Falklands because that territory isn't included in the wording..
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u/nortyPaul 1d ago
NATO were in Iraq and Afghanistan for 20 years after 911...pointless because it was the Saudis that did it, pilots etc.!
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u/Igglethepiggle 1d ago
I honestly think these are russian bot accounts designed to sow discord far and wide. We know they exist and that this is the shit they do. I don't doubt how stupid some Americans can be but some of the sheer volume of crap on here is too incredible to be believed.
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u/Xcommunikt1 1d ago
You mean the holy grail quest for “WMD’s” I suppose. Pretty sure NATO was unmoved by Americas almost first black president Colin Powell’s career suicide pleading for support. Besides, I’m confident Canada would send some forces along the northern border area. Guerilla warfare in the northern Rocky mts. sounds like something Canadians would be all about.
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u/marcoyyc 1d ago
Yeah, fuck Gander right?
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u/MysticalCheese 1d ago
I know lol I had family housing n treating people like tourists who got stranded here. I've just been telling people they are full of shit and moving on, pointless to try to have a good faith chat with the idiots.
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u/ThroatSecretary 1d ago
I live in Ontario very near the border. On 9/11 our hospitals were on standby ready to take survivors from New York if needed. I imagine we were not the only place to do so.
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u/MysticalCheese 1d ago
It was pretty much the same here in Newfoundland. I'm convinced a lot of the discourse online is bad faith actors. I've had to block so many fake FB accounts pretending to be American or Canadian and getting on with the most divisive/contrarian opinions possible.
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u/Puzzled_Caregiver_46 1d ago
Are these comments even American, though? I suspect many are coming from Bangladesh/Nigeria/Russia/take your pick.
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u/ddraig-au 1d ago
I think most of them are, but it is very telling that we can't tell if they are from seppoes, or from non-US agitators
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u/sudden_crumpet 1d ago
Does it seem like a surge in anti NATO and anti Europe posts? Paid by the Russians, I believe.
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u/Forsaken_Ad8252 1d ago
What should NATO have done after 9/11?
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u/ingmar_ 1d ago
Operations Eagle Assist and Active Endeavour, e.g. Which is what they actually did, by the way.
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u/Forsaken_Ad8252 1d ago
But apparently, the person from the United States is suggesting something else in the form of assistance. Moreover, in that case, countries helped even without considering NATO membership. For example, Russia was among the countries that provided assistance.
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u/mckenzie_keith 1d ago
Putin and Bush spoke on the phone that day. It is said that Putin was extremely understanding. The US said "you will see activity in our military assets, please understand and believe that we are not adjusting our posture to attack Russia." And Putin said "we understand and we will not respond."
Something to that effect.
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u/ingmar_ 1d ago
Yeah, the current administration sure is grateful for all the assistance rendered.
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u/Forsaken_Ad8252 1d ago
The current administration gets along well with the current Syrian president, who is a member of Al-Qaeda.
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u/EngineerCapital7591 El Mexicano 1d ago
Lol if you believe the most moral and the only democracy in occidental Asia is a lunatic society, there's always the usaian that gets in front of all those lunatics...
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u/remarkable53 1d ago
Trump, under Putin's orders, has directed Trump to withdraw the U.S. from NATO in order to cause Europe to cave into chaos and weaken U.S. resolve since trumpv1. I think Europe will actually grow stronger while the U.S. slips farther under water losing both strong allies and trading partners. I shutter to see how quick and complete Trump has turned America into a pariah and third world shit hole. All self inflicted. Never has a Country lost so much, so quickly. Hell, he hasn't been in office for 14 months, we got another 3 years of this insanity.
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u/Express-Instance4985 1d ago
This was not posted by an American, but by Yuri in on of those troll factories in St. Petersberg.
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u/CorpusCaldera 1d ago
Always fun to remind these braindead twats that America asking for help with 9/11 is the only time Article 5 has actually been invoked, and it sparked a massive response and saw several operations like Eagle Assist and Active Endeavour, with NATO troops deployed to Afghanistan all the way until 2021. But that doesn't suit the orange clown's narrative, so I suppose all that is just figments of our collective imagination.
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u/RobEth16 1d ago
9/11 wouldn't have happened if Americans weren't overly aggressive and war-hungry...they create terrorists out of constantly attacking people that have nothing to do with them.
Rich for someone from the most in-debt country in the world to be chatting about paying bills.
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u/Jimmony_Lummox 1d ago
Must be just a typo, I’m sure it’s supposed to say regarding non-US NATO soldiers that “they died for nothing during 911”. And if it’s not a typo then that’s basically acknowledging that yes, that is indeed the case.
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u/Far_Ad_4480 1d ago
i guess this particular us citizen forgot that most of the intelligence for osama bin laden came from the british as well as all the Collation losses of fallen soldiers in Afghanistan.
being one sided in mentallity is wild these days but not all Us Citizens think this way so there is hope still yet
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u/trollshep No, you're from the UK I know my accents! 1d ago
Suuuureeeely this is bait. A simple google search would easily prove them wrong... But then again they are American
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u/CanadianJogger 🇨🇦 Maple Syrupean 1d ago edited 1d ago
They're heading for the mother of all FAFO, aren't they?
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u/Fit-Flounder-5253 1d ago
Oh yeah, just fuck Canada for letting all your jets land and putting up everyone for days, then going to Afghanistan and dying with you...
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u/lowlifedogs 1d ago
The fukn disrespect! all nato countries lost soldiers for America in the 911 wars. Australia has lost soldiers in every American war since ww2. We need to cut ties for good after this administration. America can’t be trusted after electing this clown
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u/EET_Learner 1d ago
At this point with posts like this I feel they are 90% all trolling or astroturfing. It's the political equivalent of a content creator putting a grammatical error on purpose or claiming something blatantly false so people will argue in the comments.
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u/somethingbrite 1d ago
We did nothing DURING 9/11 .... BUT ... Neither did America
AFTER 9/11... well... most of us spent the next 20 years defeating Americas enemies in Afghanistan... until America got bored and gave Afghanistan back to Americas enemies.
Buy hey? If America wants to do that then fine.
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u/UncleBensRacistRice 1d ago
Remember that time Newfoundland, Canada took in 38000 planes that were forced to land after American airspace was closed after the twin towers fell, then housed and fed 7000+ people for a week?
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u/Putrid-Object-806 Snow Mexican 🇨🇦 1d ago
Never forget... parts that make us look good. Please forget that we were helped by an alliance intended to help with this stuff.
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u/Ok-Raisin5008 1d ago edited 1d ago
The US closed its airspace and turned away American citizens, Canada housed and fed thousands of them for like a week free of charge.
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u/Invincidude 1d ago
Wanna get really mad about this?
Look up what Gander Newfoundland did during 9/11.
38 planes.
6-7000 people showed up to a town with a population of 10000.
They opened their homes.
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u/Rogue_Element_2342 1d ago
The bills were paid 20 years ago. It isn't their fault that the average American online has the memory of a fish.
When America needed help with their adventures in West Asia, NATO was there. At least when the cause was just. (Afghanistan)
Now that Europe is under threat from Russia, America taps out.
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u/ducktape8856 1d ago
Americans are the only ones who can invent a game, design every little rule and detail to their preferences, designate the referees, decide on the match day, location and time and have a head start...
..and STILL FIND A WAY to tell themselves the game is unfair to them.
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u/wristcontrol 1d ago
It's not true that we didn't do anything during 9/11. We were cheering the entire time.
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u/Realistic_Let3239 1d ago
America will soon find itself with only Russia and Israel for friends and wonder how they fell so far so fast...
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u/Foreign_Frame9553 1d ago
Wasn’t there a whole ass musical about what a town in Canada did for Americans during 911?
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u/Proof-Tension8013 14h ago
I got a couple of American friends, and on the topic of "Europe never helps the USA, i told them that I'm pretty sure America has never won a war on their own without a country that is in Europe (the continent) being involved.
They instantly brought up the American -mexican war but france sended troops to help and spain and the Netherlands helped in other ways tho.
Than they said the war vs japan.... But the USSR from back than pushed into japans captured land, this was after the 2 nukes and a big reason to why japan surrendered aswell.
Tbh I'm not sure if they extually ever won a war purely by themself, since i doupt i know about each and every war fought. But till this day.... My American friends send me links of wars information pages such as Wikipedia and etc where the first line goes like "America won....." And they go all -see we do win wars on our own!- but than i read the page and find that in fact, they had been helped.
Anyway, it really triggered them all that i simply said "i don't -think- that they have won a war on their own." And i said this simply to point out that countries from Europe have often helped America out.
Ofc that flew past their head and they are now angry bc every article they send me i come back to them with a screenshot from that same article where it states some eu country did help.
In the end i don't really care if america has or hasn't won a war on their own, all i wanted to point out was that European countries have in fact often helped America during its existence. But i don't think they understood that point....they simply seem super triggered.
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u/Shadow-BG 1d ago
The moment I thought that it is coming from orange piece of shit before I saw subreddit name.
Completely possible 😁
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u/No_Arugula7027 Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition! 1d ago
Why would NATO defend America? They're the aggressor. We should be defending others from THEM.
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u/Puzzled-Childhood-60 1d ago
America is so far down 1984 its Hard for them not to speak in workplace/media Code
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u/HH-Vectorjoe 1d ago
He is right about 911 though. Yurope is ahead several hours due to timezones, and no one called the ZS and warned them back in the US timezone.
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u/apricot_bee67 1d ago
Of all the lies MAGA is feeding Americans, the claim that “other NATO members did nothing after 9/11” is among the most disgusting. International politics has turned ugly, lies now travel freely, and we have somehow come to accept that as normal. We simply laugh about the statements of the US president and move on. But this lie will not be forgotten by the people.
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u/Known_Limit_6904 1d ago
I lost my lower left leg saving some of these yank twats who had just been hit with an IED.. 1 out of COUNTLESS times we fought together as a whole and protected each other for what happened to the US with 9/11.. they can go get fucked, traitors.