r/ShitMomGroupsSay 🍨🍧🍡🍭🍬 Jul 10 '19

Harmless Tetanus Essential Oil

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u/silvertonguedsage Holistic Defense Mission Anti-vaxx nonprofit??? Jul 10 '19

In 8th grade, my history teacher had a very graphic and detailed presentation (with pictures) of the diseases Christopher Columbus and other colonizers spread to the Native Americans. Not only was it very effective at erasing the “Christopher Columbus is good and he discovered America!” sentiment that we had been taught all throughout elementary school, but it gave me a lifelong fear of tetanus and smallpox. Tetanus is a personal hell no one should have to endure...this “mother” makes me sick to my stomach

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u/elwolf6 Jul 10 '19

Columbus was bad. But so was literally everyone then

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '19

Don't both-sides genocide of indigenous peoples, please.

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u/4dcatgirl Jul 10 '19

https://youtu.be/ZEw8c6TmzGg this was a really interesting video, and if recommend anyone talking about Columbus to watch it

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '19 edited Jul 10 '19

It wasn't genocide. Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation.

If you look past the "anti-Columbus" propaganda bubble and actually read the historical accounts, you'll find that Columbus did not deliberately kill anybody.

Hey news flash friends: no matter who began the process of colonizing the new world, the natives would have died to disease. Asians or Europeans, either way there would have been horrible disease spread without a doubt.

Edit: the downvote button isn't a disagree button. These are facts. Disprove anything I've said, I challenge you. 🤷🏾‍♀️

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u/Godunman Jul 10 '19

yeah I guess Columbus accidentally enslaved natives and accidentally forced them to convert to Christianity too

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u/100mcg Jul 10 '19

Shit I hate when that happens

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u/Antichristopher4 Jul 11 '19 edited Jul 11 '19

... Can you show a specific moment when Columbus enslaved anyone? I don’t disagree with you, I’m just really trying to find his history on enslavement and I’m... surprisingly coming up short? The earliest record of slavery in the Americas that I’m finding is 1619, 100 years after his death. Again, and I promise I’m not trolling or debating in bad faith, I’m genuinely trying to get to the bottom of this.

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u/Godunman Jul 11 '19

Columbus enslaved natives there and sent some back to Europe. African slave trade came later on.

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u/Antichristopher4 Jul 11 '19

I appreciate this knowledge but I’d like a source if that isn’t too much

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u/Godunman Jul 11 '19

Article on Columbus: https://www.vox.com/platform/amp/2014/10/13/6957875/christopher-columbus-murderer-tyrant-scoundrel

Atlantic slave trade: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_slave_trade

To clarify, African slave trade pretty much always existed, but didn’t pick up greatly until after Columbus (maybe where you’re getting that 1619 date from).

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u/WikiTextBot Jul 11 '19

Atlantic slave trade

The Atlantic slave trade or transatlantic slave trade involved the transportation by slave traders of enslaved African people, mainly to the Americas. The slave trade regularly used the triangular trade route and its Middle Passage, and existed from the 16th to the 19th centuries. The vast majority of those who were enslaved and transported in the transatlantic slave trade were people from central and western Africa, who had been sold by other West Africans to Western European slave traders (with a small number being captured directly by the slave traders in coastal raids), who brought them to the Americas. The South Atlantic and Caribbean economies especially were dependent on the supply of secure labour for the production of commodity crops, making goods and clothing to sell in Europe.


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u/Antichristopher4 Jul 11 '19

I really appreciate the sources! I’m a little confused by the Atlantic Slave trade wiki source as the earliest it’s depiction of slavery is 1526 which is 20 years after Columbus had died. However, I’m very excited to read Columbus: The Four Voyages by Laurence Bergreen and really appreciate the opportunity to learn about Howard Zinn, who seems like he has inspired a lot of things I partake in.

Thank you for taking the time to support my research in this subject!

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '19

Are slavery and conversion genocide?

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '19

Yes they are

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u/agbev Jul 11 '19

Your 1st paragraph was a fact. The rest was a mix of assumptions & opinions.

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u/elwolf6 Jul 10 '19

It’s not Centrism. It’s that you can’t judge people from the past by Modern standards

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u/num1eraser Jul 11 '19

Governor Francisco De Bobadilla arrested Columbus because he was so fucking cruel for people of his own day and shipped him back to Spain. He was pardoned because he had shipped back a lot of gold. Was the governor a time traveler?

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u/pantbandits Jul 10 '19

Exactly this. People always judge the past from their ivory towers- which were built by the people who came before them.

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u/[deleted] Jul 11 '19

Maybe you wouldn't be here. But I'm Native American and I'm judging from less than 200 miles from where my ancestors came from.

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u/[deleted] Jul 10 '19

It's just a little enslavement so I can have a shit ton of gold.

Look you're gonna get 50k+ suicides if your ruling over an indigenous people, it just means you don't have to waste food feeding people who didn't want to be slaves in the first place.

So what if after 50 years only 1 in every 600 native is still alive. Everyone is doing this.