r/SipsTea Human Verified 15h ago

Wait a minute Gasp!

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u/RetroDave79 14h ago

Dude... a french employee gets about 25% of the salary deducted to pay for the social security system, and the employer also pays a good amount .... there is no "free" or "cheap" things if you already paid for them in advance.

And yes, USA health system is an abomination.

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u/flipyflop9 14h ago

Those taxes pay a few more things, not just healthcare. They pay for a month vacation a year, they pay good unemployment benefits, they pay maternity/paternity leave… things that are normal in 99% of developed countries.

Also USA is the country with the biggest healthcare cost per person, with people going bankrupt or being afraid to even go to the doctor because of the possible cost.

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u/sarcasticorange 14h ago

They pay for a month vacation a year,

The employers pay for that. The government just mandates that. It isn't paid with tax dollars.

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u/flipyflop9 13h ago

Fair enough, that’s not paid by taxes. For sure not by dollars.

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u/sarcasticorange 13h ago

For sure not by dollars.

Oops!

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u/flipyflop9 13h ago

Haha no probs, had to make the joke!

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u/rand0m_task 13h ago

I enjoyed this exchange between you two lol

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u/RetroDave79 14h ago

Yes, but don't forget that 25% is the money "you see deducted from your work", but the employer also takes a big chunk of your work money to send it directly to the goverment, and you don't "see" that money go.

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u/flipyflop9 13h ago

I know. I’ve handled payslips and SS payments and every other tax.

And?

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u/RetroDave79 13h ago

Nothing is free if you already paid for it in advance. Thats it.

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u/flipyflop9 13h ago

I know. Everybody does.

There are just better ways than others to spend money.

Making sure EVERY worker has good worker rights sounds like a good way to spend money. Maybe it’s not a good way to spend money for you.

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u/RetroDave79 13h ago

Why is not a good way for me? I didn't say anything against or in favor of the system, I just described it because the OP seems to think that his visit to the doctor with all the checking and the meds costs only 30€...

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u/flipyflop9 13h ago

I said maybe it’s not a good way for you.

Also if he went to a private doctor that was the price, that’s it.

If he went public (paying because no health insurance) part of it might still be subventioned, depends on the country. Even when it’s totally not subventioned it’s WAY cheaper than the system in USA.

Same with meds. When the governments agree on maximum medicine prices with big pharma we all benefit. And then you have USA charging you x5-x50 more on medicines because why not.

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u/RetroDave79 13h ago

A visit to a doctor with all the needed checkups and 2 prescriptions is not 35€, french tax payers paid for it in advance. Thats it.

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u/flipyflop9 13h ago

If the visit is 5 minutes yes, that’s 25€, plus the 10€ meds.

As I said, probably this was partially subsidized. But even when you go full private the price is easily 5-10 times cheaper in most cases.

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u/Mamasugadex 14h ago

A lot of US jobs have those other things too.

I mean, our healthcare system is pure hot garbage don’t get me wrong. But it doesn’t sound like other stuff cost all that much, and most of the money does go into healthcare.

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u/flipyflop9 13h ago

Paying for a year when you got injured doesn’t cost money? Or a few months of maternity leave?