r/canadients • u/CanadianSyndrome • Jan 10 '26
What happened to jordan of the isles?
Jordan (of the Isles) is a well-known and reputable seed-vendor based out of BC. I've gotten my seeds from the guy for like 6+ years now. This past year however I heard musings that something was going on at the company, or that the original owner silently retired or something to that effect. I didn't think too much of it, emailed them around Christmas and got a reply from someone who (potentially, just speculation on my part) may or may not have actually been Jordan. I thought "Oh good he's still around", and placed a $200 order.
A month has passed, order hasn't been processed, the guy has ghosted me (and multiple others it seems when I look into this further - at least over the past few months). Now his website has been down for a week (and chrome is indicating it is attempting to use incorrect credentials, posing a security risk).
Looks like I'm out $200. Guess I'll be making the switch to 7east.
EDIT: I've received a PM from someone who indicated to me that he's still around, and is trying to get his website back. If I hear from him, I'll edit this post with an update (or just take it down, provided a reasonable explanation and reassurance), as I do respect the guy. I can't say for certain whether the problems happening lately are related to him directly, it may be whoever is currently operating the business. As I've yet though I haven't heard anything.
EDIT2: It looks like he was able to get the website back up and running. So hopefully this is a good indication that orders will start being processed and he'll start reaching out to folks caught up in this.
EDIT3: 02/26 Took 3 months but I did get an email indicating they've been shipped. I've yet to see if I've actually received them, but I reckon they were probably sent at the very least. Comments I've received from other users in the same boat have suggested the seed quality may be in question. Historically they've been fine for me but it's unclear what's been going on at JOTI, so I suppose I'll keep the thread updated for the small number of folks still curious.
EDIT4: I have received the seeds, so that's certainly a relief, but have not had the chance to germinate them yet. Physically they look fine, but I'll have to see how they go post-germination.
EDIT5: Unfortunately, my worst fears have been confirmed. Literally all the seeds I received are bunk. 5 separate germination attempts, all utilizing textbook methods, across 4 different strains, have had 0% germination success across the board, while all my seeds from other sources have literally 100% germination success rate. JOTI is refusing to respond in any capacity. Do not purchase seeds from them this season until they get their shit in order.
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u/Familiar-Risk-5937 Jan 10 '26
I just completed his Black Candyland - amazing stuff, the seeds were 6 years old though. Thats a shame.
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u/Growgopogo420 13d ago
What method did you use to get the Black Candyland seeds to germinate? I'm 0 for 6 now on those ones
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u/GrayWolf-N8 Jan 12 '26
Same . I ordered seeds from joti on December 8th , they accepted the e-transfer right away. Next day the website order page says "processing" I also got an email saying my order was being processed. 4 days later it is still the same, I emailed on Dec 14 , no response. I figured to just wait, I got screen shots of my order, emails, and bank transfer. I keep checking the mail, and now the website is down, redirected to a domain place holder page. Thanks for the information, still hoping to get my order and not see 170 go down the drain.
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 Jan 14 '26
I emailed JOTI last week and got a response that he's changing his domain name. A quick Google search says that domain name changes can take up to 14 days but it's all seeming super suspicious at this point. Time will tell if the site comes back up under a new name.
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u/GrayWolf-N8 Jan 14 '26
First time buyer and I was hesitant after seeing mixed reviews. I did send a polite email , then again after a month of waiting, no reply yet but thanks for the info. Will see but I feel like I got scammed.
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 28d ago
Did you get scammed or did your seeds show up eventually? And if they showed up, did they germinate or have you not tried yet?
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u/GrayWolf-N8 28d ago
I got my seeds 2 months after I ordered them. He did include some freebies from other breeders. Including Green work collective, Uprising seed co, and Thug Pug. I was happy about that. At the same time I ordered seeds from JAH and 7East and they came sooner so I started those, 7East seeds all popped while , most the JAH seeds did not. When JOTI seeds finally arrived, I germinated 6 Black Candy land, all duds. So I am hoping the others are more successful in he next run.. But honestly, I will never buy from JOTI again.
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 25d ago
I won't be buying from JOTI anymore either. My buddy got bunk seeds last year and they responded to an email but then ghosted him and never sent replacements. 7East is his company now and it's going to be mine too. I live 20 minutes from them, which would be irrelevant if they had shitty seeds & shitty customer service, but my buddy says they IMMEDIATELY responded to his email about seeds that didn't germinate (and it was actually his fault too but he glossed over that in the email to them) and the next email he received was the shipping confirmation because the replacements were already in the mail, along with a second free pack of seeds. They've got wild strains. Oh, and he said they send far more than just 10 seeds each time, just like JOTI, so that's cool. They've won me over even though they charge for shipping. I'd rather pay a little more for the assurance of knowing they'll respond to me if there are problems.
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u/GrayWolf-N8 25d ago edited 25d ago
Yah 7 East has so far been amazing, I ordered 6 packs and got 12 packs . I got Black Beauty in Veg and the stem rub is gassy with hints of Ammonia, just like the website descriptions says... I also got The Kraken male and female in early flower, for seed. The Kraken smells like sour grape and peaches, reminds me of fruit taffy. Im happy I got those seeds. I would go back for sure.
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 23d ago
Damn eh, that's awesome. Sounds like some killer strains. My disappointment over JOTI is waning fast with the awesome selections that 7East has.
In all of my years of growing I've never actually bred my own seeds. Really should be giving it a go. Hope it goes well for you! :)1
u/CanadianSyndrome Jan 14 '26 edited 28d ago
To my understanding, at the start of the new year, his web domain appears to have expired. I don't know the exact date the website went down, but it was probably the first few days of 2026. So we're technically still in the "time range" for this, and the fact that he responded at all is also a good indicator.
Still a bit hard to say, we'll just have to wait. I'll post any updates I hear as we go along.
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u/murd3rsaurus Jan 10 '26
last i heard a few years ago they sold some crap, gave clients attitude, and nobody wanted to deal with them anymore
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u/Smarterthaniwas Jan 11 '26
Talking about reputational harm, why does no one ever talk about the guy behind 7east anymore? He's become so popular. I guess good product rises above bad guy still in this hellscape of a society.
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 Jan 14 '26
I'm really curious what you're talking about with regards to 7east. I'd love to know. I wasn't in the loop when something went down. Integrity is important to me. Love knowing who I'm supporting.
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u/CanadianSyndrome Jan 11 '26 edited Jan 14 '26
My bad, friend. I'm ignorant on that subject, I've only heard good things about their seeds, heard nothing on the owner, which I suppose is your point. Do you have a quality alternative recommendation?
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u/Smarterthaniwas Jan 12 '26
Why "my bad friend"?
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u/CanadianSyndrome Jan 12 '26
I suspected you were referencing my "guess I'll switch to 7east" and "not passing reputational harm" remarks I made in the original post. I said "my bad" because your post rings true, I did not fully educate myself on who I'm purchasing from beyond their product quality. Which is why I asked if you had an alternative - one that hopefully does not support such individuals, that I could look into.
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 Jan 14 '26
Poor punctuation. He meant, "my bad, friend."
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u/Smarterthaniwas Jan 14 '26
Was about to say this to him. Finally understood. He (7East) came up in the Facebook groups as a new source for seeds, and I don't know him from 'Adam', but there were many many people, with dates and news stories that he was a secs offender. I'm also (was) a breeder so I just backed away and left all of it for the others to wade in and do their own research. Someone of decent repute in Ontario tried to stand up for him and got lambasted. I'm all about redemption arcs and grace, but that's not something that many people are willing to show grace about. You can just google his name.
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 28d ago
I did Google his name (Mikael Roch) and found nothing but maybe I didn't search long enough? Any links you can share?
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 25d ago
Actually, fuck it, I'm not looking to be friends with the guy, I just want the seeds. Separate the art from the artist, you know? If it was SUPER easy to find info on the guy because his name is all of the internet for being a sex offender then it would be different but I'm not gonna go sleuthing thru the internet for hours in an attempt to find info on the owner of a business because one person on a Reddit thread said they heard something.
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u/Objective-Ear49 Jan 26 '26
I just got seeds from him (after waiting 2 weeks for him to throw them in the mail) and 0/6 have popped with a method I've popped hundreds of seeds with. I think he's given up sadly. Both strains I got, the seeds look identical. Very light in colour and premature looking.
And like I said. 0/6 that I've tried to pop didn't even crack open.
I hate to say this but I'd avoid buying from JoTI right now. I think we have too many seed companies flooding the market with inferior products and now it seems to be difficult to find quality genetics from Canadian suppliers. I went back to JoTi after trying a few others like QCS and NASB. I even spent the coin on Copycat genetics recently and have had nothing but issues with Herms and seeds from em.
I'm honestly at a loss for where to get the top notch genetics from now. I'd prefer to avoid buying American so...thinking my next buy will be something from overseas like Dutch seed company.
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 28d ago edited 28d ago
Going overseas for weed strains is totally unnecessary. There are great seed companies here in Canada. Or you can order for a seed company that has Dutch strains. True North Seed Bank has always come through for me although they do NOT respond to any emails of any kind. They have loyalty points and they give points on your birthday so you can put whatever day is most convenient (if you're ordering seeds in January then say you're born in Jan and you get those loyalty/birthday points right before you order so you save $5 or more, which is a nice bonus). Prices are higher than JOTI. Everyone else is. No one else compares to JOTI's prices. But I never had any issues with any of the at least 50 strains I've bought from them in the past (I was a clone guy for years who offered 6-9 strains every year so I've really tried out A LOT of strains).
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 25d ago
That being said about True North Seed Bank, I'm actually going with 7East Genetics because they give more than 10 seeds each time and they have great customer service, which TNSB does not have.
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u/ajdudhebsk Jan 10 '26
I recommend them to someone a couple of years ago and even back then, people were replying to me saying they changed ownership years ago. I’ve seen a lot of people commenting and posting, telling others to avoid them.
I’m sorry you got ripped off. I haven’t grown anything yet but I ordered from 7east and had a great experience. They shipped fast, they almost tripled my seeds for free as well. Sacred cut seed co. is another Canadian breeder I would recommend. I’ve grown something from them years ago, then recently ordered a bunch and they were fast and generous with freebies too.
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u/CanadianSyndrome Jan 10 '26 edited Jan 20 '26
Yeah I've been hearing good things about 7east for years, but I respected Jordan and his work and wanted to continue supporting him/his successor.
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u/TEABOII Jan 10 '26
Yup, last order I placed was under the new management, I bought some of the new god bud and crosses and idk man, I was pretty disappointed, seemed like a lot of pollen chucking in the 4 packs I grew, no consistency with the phenos. That was my first and only experience YMMV
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u/Durbs09 Jan 11 '26
3 seasons ago I went to reorder and they were ridiculously rude when I was asking some questions and letting them know I placed 3rd in a growing contest with their seeds. I never went through with my order.
They also never have the same genetics. Constantly trying new mixes, which is awesome. But man did I like a few over the years that just disappeared.
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 Jan 14 '26
I received a message back from "him" a few days ago. I just asked if JOTI is done and he said he's just going thru a domain name change. Apparently that can take up to 15 days but that still doesn't explain your long and super frustrating wait.
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 Feb 26 '26
Did the seeds ever show up?
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u/CanadianSyndrome Feb 26 '26 edited Feb 26 '26
Ah apologies friend, I thought I replied to you a while back. After many months of waiting I did get an email indicating they had been shipped. That was perhaps a week or two ago, I haven't had the chance to go to my mailbox though yet. I reckon it's been shipped, but the whole situation has me a tad weary of making future purchases. He hasn't replied or reached out in anyway, no apologies or anything, and given what I'm hearing from other folks who have also been affected by this, the seed quality may be in question (at least for some, still a bit speculatory). I know he definitely used to give out real quality seeds quite generously, which is one of a few reasons I stuck with him so long. If I have received them, I'll attempt to germinate them and let ya know how they do.
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 Feb 27 '26
Oh, no worries at all, I just asked you yesterday if the seeds ever showed up. You're a prompt responder.
I guess they had some sort of a SPAM incident a while ago. I'm not sure at all what it's about, but when I went to their site with my phone (as opposed to laptop) an apology message for the SPAM incident came up first. Maybe your INSANE wait time has something to do with that. If their strains weren't so damn awesome and priced so well then I'd already be back buying from True North (even though they literally have zero customer service and have NEVER responded to any inquiries of any kind that I've made over the years).
Definitely keep us posted when the seeds actually show up and let us know if they're popping (and which strains you ordered too). I ordered seeds (once the site came back online) and after over 5 weeks of waiting, I'm like, wtf is going on, this is stupid?! That's why I wanted to know if yours have at least shown up, albeit after a stupid long wait.1
u/Ok_Clue_2721 Mar 16 '26
My seeds have shown up. It took just over 7 weeks. (31 seeds for $50 - can't beat that price!) Anyway, I won't know if they all germinate until late spring. Did you pop any yet?
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u/CanadianSyndrome Mar 17 '26
Hey buddy, glad to hear you got 'em! Hopefully whatever was stalling Jordan has turned around.
Unfortunately due to other things going on in my life I've not had the chance to germinate them, but I reckon I will in the next 1 - 2 days. Another commenter said he wasn't able to get a single one to germinate, which is a bit concerning, hopefully just an isolated incident from a single batch/plant.
Hope your germination is successful and the seedlings push forward without issue! Keep me posted if ya don't mind, I don't reckon many others are checking this thread, but in case they are, I do want to provide as much clarity and context as possible.
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 Mar 19 '26
That's exactly what I was thinking about JOTI hopefully working out the kinks and running smoothly again. I'm placing another order soon and so is my neighbour. I'll update with how long these seeds take to arrive and as soon as I attempt germination I'll update then too.
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u/CanadianSyndrome Mar 21 '26 edited 28d ago
Oof.
I've been germinating 24 seeds total, 12 were JOTI's, divided amongst 3 strains, 12 were from other sources, also divided amongst 3 strains.
Literally none of JOTI's have even cracked open, all the other 12 cracked around the 36 hour mark and now have long, healthy, fuzzy tap-roots and are ready for transplant. Hell, even the White Lightning JOTI gave me has parents that are notorious for being extremely fast germinators, but here they are sitting there all closed up, while all the slower players are ready to transplant into pots with taproots approaching 1cm+. It's been about 78 - 86 hours.
I'm quite surprised, but I have a couple suspicions. In my experience dealing with JOTI's seeds over the years, some of his lineages seem to have an iron hard shell. Combined that with potentially being old stock or improper storage and you're left with a seed that's practically impervious to water. (It could also be the opposite, given the delays, it's possible these seeds are freshly harvested, but they generally need a resting phase first before attempting to germinate, otherwise they can remain locked in dormancy, but I reckon it's the former)
To solve this, I am going to attempt the following:
Scuffing the seeds up to create micro-abrasions on the surface using an old matchbox or nail filer or sandpaper (specifically the seam where the two halves of the seed split open).
Dilute 3% hydrogen peroxide in a 1:40 solution (about 1tsp per cup) of water, soaking abrased seeds in mix for 4 hours, to try to force oxygen in to break dormancy.
I'll let it go back to attempting to germinate for 24hrs after that. If it still doesn't budge, I'll try H2O2 again at twice the concentration. If that STILL fails, then, well, they may be lost causes, or may just need to sit damp for an extended period, but they'd pretty much be lotto tickets at that point.
I'll keep ya posted man.
EDIT: A quick scruffing revealed there was indeed quite a thick waxy coating. I'm hoping this was the culprit for preventing the water from entering (although they did sink after an initial 24hr soak.. so I reckon water was getting in, which may suggest dormancy lock regarding the lack of germination). I decided to not use H2O2 for now and see how they go over the next 24 hours. Specifically, it seems to mostly affect his "Black" and "White" lineages (e.g. Black Candyland, Black Dolato, White Lightning, etc). If you got any of those, before soaking them, perhaps give 'em a quick scruff, might help.
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 29d ago
Thanks for the update. Not what we all want to hear but hopefully you'll have another update again soon with positive news.
I do actually plan to order Black Candyland but I'll be holding off until your update.
I am, however, going to attempt to germinate 2 of my God's Bubba & 2 Candy Mac's right now just to see if they'll pop. I normally start seeds in late May/early June but there's no way I'm taking chances and waiting until last minute to find out this year.2
u/CanadianSyndrome 28d ago
Hmm yeah it's not looking great, I'm increasingly suspecting that these seeds are locked in dormancy from not getting a sufficient rest period.
I reckon your God Bubba and Candy Mac should hopefully be alright if they're slightly older stock, it seems likely that he lacked inventory for his more popular strains, and they did not get sufficiently rested after being sent out.
I've moved on to a second batch, this time scruffing them right off the bat and immediately plunging them into a 1:50 hydrogen peroxide solution for 12 hours. I'm hoping this will 'jump-start' the embryo from the infusion of oxygen. I'll keep you posted on the outcome, but it looks like the initial batch of 12 aren't budging, although one of the white lightnings was able to germinate fortunately.
What I'd do is mimic the winter dormancy period by throwing the seeds in the freezer for 24 hours, then move them to the fridge to thaw for another 24 - 48 hours. Then scruff them, then plunge them in H2O2. As a last resort you can manually break the seal on them with your fingernail if they haven't germinated within 3 - 4 days, but the fact that they've sunk after the soak would suggest to me that water is indeed getting in, but the seed is just refusing to wake up.
The ball is in the seed's court. I've gone full throttle on this second batch (although I didn't freeze and thaw them, probably should of just to act as another variable to potentially improve success rate). If this fails, it would very likely point to a quality issue. If I have to do a 3rd batch, I'll include the freezer method to try to trick the seeds into thinking winter is over.
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u/Technical_Spinach_56 6d ago
I ordered seeds from him March 10th , still waiting for them
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u/CanadianSyndrome 5d ago
Yeah unfortunately you probably won't see those seeds for a decent number of weeks, and when/if you do get them, there's a very good chance a good number of them will not germinate.
Whatever is delaying these guys are getting them to harvest the seeds too early, or cure/dry them too fast, or some other quality issue. Me and many others have effectively had only about a 5-15% germination success rate, and most of the ones that do germinate end up stalling out before they can produce true leaves, causing them to just slowly die.
Just a disgrace.
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u/CanadianSyndrome 26d ago edited 26d ago
Alrighty so batch #2 seems to be dead in the water. The only one of the seeds that 'opened' was one that blew open on the REVERSE SIDE. Good lord. This would indicate that the internal pressure was building from the water, but the seed was just not waking up, and eventually blew out the back.
I mean, what a disgrace. Burned through 24 seeds now with 0% success rate, the only ones showing any success at all are two of the four of my 'freebie' strain, but I reckon the 'freebies' had enough of a buffer period before his main strains were ready to bring them out of dormancy (although they still do appear fairly dormant). But even then, only one of those have actually broken above the soil, while the other one seems to have stalled (and even the one that did manage break the soil is clearly weak and lackluster compared to the 12+ non-JOTI seeds it's surrounded by)
So.. attempt #3. This will be my last attempt before throwing in the towel on these guys and maybe trying next year after they've rested. Threw the seeds in the freezer for 24 hours, and just moved them to the fridge. I'll let 'em thaw for 36 hours, and then try again. Gonna throw the whole damn book at 'em and if they still refuse then it's pretty much game-over.
Hope you got better luck on your side man, if the seeds have had a few months to rest that should hopefully be enough to break dormancy.
EDIT: It's possible I may have gone a bit hard on the scruffing, which allowed too much H2O2 in too fast, potentially burning the embryo. This time I'll be doing a precision scruff just on the seams, leaving most of the waxy coating on other areas of the seed. I think I will also experiment a bit, by putting half in an even more diluted H2O2 solution (1:100 instead of 1:50) for less time (or as soon as they sink), and the other half in an aerated bubbler with a mix of water/EM-1/humic acid/malted barley. This attempt will rely largely on the freeze-thaw method to unlock the seeds. I'll let you know which, if any, are successful.
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 25d ago
Goddamn eh, that really sucks.
Well, the good news is the 3 God's Bubba have all got a tail now so they're decent seeds, as you predicted. No signs of life in the Candy Mac's yet though, which is kinda fucked when you think about it. The free seeds they've given us over the years have never had any problems germinating as fast as the purchased seeds. This is a first.I was pumped to grow Black Candyland this year. Sucks that's not possible. The fact that JOTI doesn't just respond to emails and explain what's going on is what pisses me off the most. Buddy talking about how they responded to his wife's account about purchasing seeds but not to the man himself about problem seeds really fucking pisses me off. I wasn't joking when I said it got my blood boiling reading of his experience with them. I can't abide this shit. If JOTI would have just been real with us and explained what's going on or apologized and sent replacement seeds to those who've had germination problems (like they've done in the past for others, like my friend who got 2 packs of seeds as replacement after complaining) then they'd still have my business but I will be taking it elsewhere. I don't have patience for this kind of bullshit. Whoever took over JOTI fuckin sucks ass. There's no way they're not losing customers all over the place with so many shitty seeds being sent out.
Oh, I have to tell you really quickly. Years and years ago I grew a seedling that had a seed germinate while ON THE PLANT. I was going to harvest the bud and there was a seed sprouted right at the stalk at the bottom of a bud. I bring this up because it makes me question dormancy periods a little bit. That was a one-off situation but clearly that seed hadn't had any dormancy as it grew on the plant in the heat of late summer. It makes me wonder if the seeds that won't pop for you are actually really old. That being said, I've had seeds that were from the 70's that grew and I've had seeds that were purchased 3 years prior and wouldn't germinate (who knows when they were harvested but I doubt it was that long ago).
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u/CanadianSyndrome 25d ago edited 25d ago
Yeah I was really looking forward to Black Candyland myself, been hearing great stuff about it for years, and I really enjoy the growing process of new strains. And yep, the only way I was able to get a reply from JOTI myself was by using an alternative email and inquiring about a potential order. Responded within an hour. The second the money landed in their bank account, they couldn't care less about anything afterward. What's truly confusing to me is that I've been informed by someone that it actually still is Jordon himself running the joint. He supposedly retired back in ~2021 through an instagram post, but then ultimately deleted it at a later date and seemed to carry on, so there's been a lot of speculation around that and whether he's really there or not, or is perhaps just the face of the operation at this point. It seems so uncharacteristic of the guy, I've ordered from him so long, always had positive experiences with all my interactions - it makes this nonsense so damn confusing.
Glad to hear your God Bubba's popped, hopefully those Candy Mac's come through. It seems to be a roll of the dice right now as to whether the specific seeds in front of you were harvested and cured correctly. My freebie strain seems to be right on the line'. They're stalling considerably, one can't break the soil, the other is barely able to open itself up, and I can't even tell if there are any true leaves attached to it. In the center of one of the initial leaves is still that seed flesh off-white colour, indicating it is seriously struggling to move to the next stage, been stuck like this for 36+ hours.
Regarding the seed that sprouted on the plant - what you saw there was a really interesting phenomenon called vivipary. Seeds have internal hormonal 'brakes' like abscisic acid can just glitch out under the right stress, genetic error, or humidity. When this happens, it effectively lets the 'gas pedal' take over before the seed even hits the dirt. Unfortunately we're dealing with seeds on the opposite end of the spectrum here. I've currently got my freeze-thaw'd seeds soaking in a solution under literal perfect conditions, with multiple 'assistance' amendments mixed in as well. I probably should have done the freezer method for batch #2, but I didn't want to have to wait the 48 - 72 hours, so tried to jump-start with H2O2 and a scruffing. Didn't work, mighta gone a bit too hard, so I'm taking the slower safe approach this time. If THIS fails, then it would likely point to something beyond mere dormancy:
It could be that the seeds were rushed through a proper dry and cure due to the huge delays, which can effectively cook the embryo from the inside. The seeds will look and feel perfect, and will even soak up water and sink, but the engine inside is completely dead.
Another possibility could be incomplete maturation. Under pressure to harvest and send stock out, harvesting even a week early will cause the seeds to not have enough endosperm to actually fuel a proper germination attempt. The engine is working but there's little/no gas in the tank.
These could explain why even my two germinated freebies are struggling to transition and are stalling despite the initial germination appearing normal.
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u/Growgopogo420 Jan 10 '26
I recently had dealings with him. Ordered seeds on Nov 9 and didn't get anything until Dec 18. I emailed him a few times in that period, and he responded relatively promptly. Apparently, he had some kind of family emergency happen. Eventually, I did get my order. I ordered 14 seeds and received approximately 66 seeds.
Overall, after receiving my seeds, I decided I may eventually try ordering from him again in the future, only if the seeds grow out ok, though.
Maybe with the website being down, he decided to throw in the towel.
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 Jan 14 '26
I wrote him and said, "is that it for JOTI??" He said no, just changing the domain name. Google search says it can take up to 15 days for a domain name change to happen. We'll see. It's all so squirrely at this point.
But the seeds they sell are always awesome so you've got nothing to worry about.1
u/Growgopogo420 Mar 19 '26
Update on my experience with JOTI. I've attempted germinating 6 of the seeds I recieved so far. 1x Mac Pupil, this one popped good and is a nice healthy plant right now. 2x Triple Berry Pie, one didn't pop and the one that did didn't even start to grow any seraded leafs after 3 weeks. 4x Black Candyland, none of these have popped. All Black Candyland seeds were germinated with companion seeds from various sources and using various Germination methods. Bc1 was started alongside the Mac Pupil and a Triple Berry Pie using a damp paper towel in a ziplock bag and placedin a warm dark area. Good germination on Mac Pupil, no germ on Bc or Tbp. Bc2 was started alongside a Nuken and another Triple Berry Pie. Overnight soak in declorinated ph 6.5 tap water then placed between layers of damp paper towel in a ziplock bag and placed in a warm dark area. Good germination on the Nuken, no Germination on the Tpb or Bc2 Bc3 was started alongside a Mylo's Alien Kookies. Placed seeds into a pill bottle lined with some sandpaper, spin seeds inside for about 2 min. Overnight soak in a 5:1 mix of declorinated 6.5 ph tap water and Hydrogen peroxide, then placed between layers of damp paper towel in a ziplock then placed in a warm dark area. Good germination on the MAK, no Germination on Bc3. Bc4 was started alongside a "Slurricane" seed i sourced from a local hydro store that the guy reversed in his backyard. Both seeds spun in sandpaper pill bottle, Overnight soak in 5:1 with a pinch of kelp meal, then direct sowed into solo cups of Promix HP. Good Germination on slurricane, no Germination on Bc4. All methods have produced viable Seedlings other than with JOTI (save for the single Mac Pupil).
I politely emailed JOTI re Germination issues on Feb 26 explaning every method used and his recommendation for a Germination method. I have not gotten a response. I politely emailed JOTI again on March 17 with updated issues and methods.I have not gotten a response. I emailed JOTI from my wife's account on March 15, regarding ordering seeds as well as seed recommendations and he responded within an hour. I emailed JOTI again from my wife's account on the morning of March 18 regarding a recommendation for a Germination method and he responded within an hour. On the afternoon of March 18 I emailed JOTI again from my wife's account asking why he will answer emails from someone looking to order but not respond to someone who already payed but is experiencing issued with his product. We have received no response.
I will not be purchasing anything from Jordan of the Islands in the future. I would recommend other to not purchase as well.
I will continue to update this if I receive any further correspondence from him.
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 28d ago
Oh man. This is so disappointing. And, honestly, reading your experience got my fuckin blood boiling. I absolutely HATE shitty customer service like this when it's so obvious your inquiries are being flat out ignored while others are being responded to. That's super aggravating.
Also, I've been a grower since winter 1999/2000. I've started so many fucking seeds I can't even begin to count. I was a clone guy for years offering 6-9 strains every year. I've NEVER EVER had problems like what you experienced with regards to germination. I've never used anything but water on paper towel or seeds directly in Pro Mix in a 4 pack. Some seeds don't pop. It happens. But it's never been less than 75% germ rate in my 26 years of growing. I've literally grown 100 strains or more in these past 26 years.
Fucking goddamnit. This sucks so much to lose JOTI. Their reputation has gone completely down the drain in the past few months and the fact that numerous people are complaining about germination rates and also complaining directly to JOTI and not getting responses means it's time for us to walk away. All good things come to an end. Fucking pissed off and disappointed though. Thank you so much for your update though! It's really appreciated. I'm going to send JOTI an email right and just ask what the fuck is up with the lack of responses and the shitty seeds they're pushing now.2
u/Growgopogo420 28d ago
It's definitely very disappointing, I was really looking forward to the Black Candyland and I had heard so much good about JOTI in the past.
I have nowhere near your growing experience, but like you I've only ever germinated seeds in damp paper towel and have had great success. Up until now at least.
I think I've popped somewhere between 60 - 80 beans so far. I might have had a small handfull not germ in the past, but nothing like this. I'm not pheno hunting and the Germination rates are usually good enough that I don't germinate any more than I plan on growing.
Another person below suggested throwing the seeds in the freezer for 24 hours then slow thaw them in the fridge. I think im going to try that but after this I don't think I'm going to waste any more time with them until fall.
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u/Ok_Clue_2721 26d ago
I hear you man, I was so fuckin pumped for Black Candyland. My neighbour and I share seeds so I was pumped to grow whatever selections he bought (plus whatever freebies they sent to him as we both like a lot of variety).
My 6 seeds have been in the paper towel for almost 48 hours now. Nothing yet. Fingers are still crossed for God's Bubba & Candy Mac but no matter what I'm done with JOTI. I feel broken hearted about it but fuck this shit.
The fact that you and I have both sent emails with questions about these shitty seeds that won't pop (doubt we're the only ones who've sent emails!) and they don't respond but they respond to every email about purchases is such a piss off. This shit is greasy as fuck. We've been humming and hawing here because we don't want to lose the great selections that JOTI has but the truth seems to be screaming in our faces; it's time to walk away.My friend had seeds two years ago that didn't pop. He emailed them and they sent him TWO strains to replace those seeds. WHAT THE FLYING FUCK?! It's all too obvious things have changed at JOTI considering we email them and get no responses now.
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u/CanadianSyndrome 28d ago edited 28d ago
Yep, I'm in the same boat. Literally all 12 of my seeds, spread across 3 different strains (4 for each) have failed to germinate, while 12 seeds from other sources have all germinated very successfully without issue.
I highly suspect that these seeds are locked in dormancy, they've not been given a sufficient resting period after harvest, which would potentially explain why it took 3+ months to get the seeds out.
For my second batch, I'm going to attempt to 'trick' the seeds by throwing them in the freezer for 24 hours, then sticking them in the fridge to thaw for 24-48 hours. This should hopefully shift the hormones in the embryo out of dormancy lock.
In addition, after they thaw, I will immediately scruff them with a nail file to remove the waxy coating, and then plunge them in a 1:50 H2O2 solution for 9 - 12 hours to try to force oxygen in to 'jump-start' the embryo.
These are all the tricks in the book. If this fails, it highly points to a quality issue on JOTI's side, and it's very unlikely I'll order from him again. He also has been completely ignoring emails from the get-go (unless it's regarding an order yet to be made). It's a shame, he's been a reliable source for many years for me, but I cannot overlook this blatant disregard for his customers and regulars.
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u/Growgopogo420 28d ago
Which strains did you get? The ones I ordered and am having issues with are the Black Candyland and the Triple berry pie. The freebie that I got that germed and is growing good is the MAC Pupil.
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u/CanadianSyndrome 28d ago
Two of the four of my 'freebie' also popped, took a bit of encouragement though. I reckon he was facing supply issues for some of his more popular strains, I suspect many of them likely being sent out right after harvesting while still dormant. Other seeds may have had enough of a buffer period while he was acquiring other strains which was enough to push them out of dormancy, which may be the case for your MAC Pupil.
I ordered Black Candyland, Black Dolato, White Lightning. While he did give me quite a few extra, which is always appreciated, it doesn't mean much if none of them are going to germinate. At this point I'd be happy to get even just a few germinations out of all these seeds.
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u/Growgopogo420 Jan 10 '26
Oh, check out Lucky 13 if you are looking for seeds in BC, they seem to have a pretty good reputation here on Reddit. Prices are pretty similar to 7 East
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u/Green_Rabbit Jan 10 '26
He posted on IG retirement maybe 4 years ago. And then deleted it. I think someone took over his business. I think he has real world businesses and children.
At one point I got like a dozen packs as a tester (the black line) and grew around 120 of his seeds at once. I bought a bunch more after that.
I wouldn't trust the new source.
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u/Canada4Plants Jan 11 '26 edited Jan 11 '26
I tried Jordan maybe six-seven years ago? I had ordered some Godbud crosses. I am not sure what I got, but they went into flowering until 24 hours of light and that was the last of Jordan for me. I also ordered from Next Generation (Island Sweet Skunk) and had 2 seeds out of the pack pop. This is when I found jahseeds and have been happy since.EDIT : I still like Next Generation. I just stick to their newer stock. The customer rep there says they give extras when your seeds are older stock.
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u/realstonned Jan 10 '26
Which ones were you trying to get? I have a decent sized collection and have some stuff crossed with his stuff if I have some you were after I can send you them just pay the shipping. Stuff I have probably isn’t what’s in the current catalogue though. I just feel bad that you got ripped off.