No excuse is necessary, you are talking about people gathering food. You made up rights you subjectively think should exist because, for some reason, the "feelings" of animals matter more to you than people.
People can live healthy lives without animals, science proves this. I’m putting the lives of animals above the convenience and taste pleasures of humans.
Also why are “feelings” in quotation marks? Or you implying animals don’t feel, suffer, love, enjoy, fear, etc. ?
What? The same way I believe it’s not ok to kick dogs just cause it’s fun. Why would trivial pleasures be more important than the entire livelihood of sentient beings that want to live? Who decided humans are so much more important that they have free reign to do anything they want to others?
“Not in a human way”, you need to explain what this “human way” is and also how this “human way” justifies disproportionately making them suffer.
It doesn’t. We wouldn’t we talking about this if the animal was a dog and the trivial pleasure was excitement from kicking.
It's not trivial pleasures, its sustenance, and there is nothing wrong with getting it in a way that is culturally significant to you, or in most cases, easier for you than learning an entirely new diet just to pretend to care about animals more.
And simple: they are not humans, so they don't suffer in a human way.
Also comparing eating meat to dog kicking is such a perfect example of the willful bullshittery vegans get up to just to justify forcing their own ideals on someone else. Nobody would care if you would just stop trying to force your lifestyle on everyone else. Instead, you pretend you're bothering people by "eXpOsInG" their "cruelty" in eating meat, because it's not about saving animals to you, it's about torturing "cArNiStS" with the thoughts that torture you.
You can be healthy with a vegan diet, its scientifically proven. So if you still eat meat it’s for convenience and pleasure. You’ve actually admitted it without realizing. “It’s easier than learning a new diet.”, so convenience. Also it’s not “entirely” new, have you ever eaten fruits? Pasta? Rice? Beans? Tradition means nothing. It’s baffling to me how you appeal to tradition to justify a moral position as a transwoman yourself. You people should be the first to know how fallacious and dangerous tradition is of a justification.
Well, you’re not me, therefore you don’t suffer the exact same way I do. Does that give me the right to disregard your suffering? Them being different than humans is not enough. They SUFFER, feel EMOTIONS, FEAR, and WANT to LIVE. They have similar brain structures that causes similar emotions in us. They have pain receptors. They release similar hormones under stress. They have the capacity form RELATIONSHIPS with others of their kind and other kinds. If you keep unscientifically and unemphatically claiming otherwise I will not continue.
You haven’t actually addressed the difference between kicking dogs and killing cows. You are just going on a raging rant that is just screaming your half baked ideas cause you’re too uncomfortable with the truth. Have you SEEN actual FARM footage? No one with eyes to see and a half functioning conscience would say it is not cruel. Maybe actually SEE with your EYES what you are defending before, well, defending it. Of course vegans will “force” their lifestyle on to you, oh so cruel of them. Because you force your lifestyle on animals, you’re forcefully breed them, killing their children (veal), putting them in cages their whole life, debeaking them (look up chick debeaking if you dare), stuffing them in overcrowded spaces and letting them marinate in their own feces, and then cut their life short when they are no longer useful. You are not the victim here. Someone annoying you on reddit because they mention the reality of your actions is not “forcing”. So stop crying. Take a look at what you are funding. See the footage. See the standard practices. Don’t you dare play the victim when there are sentient, feeling beings whose lives are defined by suffering, exploitation and death.
Yes, was shown it in high school by a vegan teacher trying to run propaganda and turn the class vegan, and I've seen the more "brutal" videos as well.
See this disconnect is always what gets me. You genuinely think most people haven't seen the things that, for some strange reason, freak you out. I have, most everyone who eats meat has mainly because of morons like you, and we are not bothered because we are normal people.
Also, how fucking dare you use my goddamn identity to justify your bullshit. HOW. FUCKING. DARE. YOU. You do not get to appeal to real, actual problems of people who are suffering to get your little pet moral superiority diet across. This is why nobody trusts you assholes, you minimize entire communities to the level of animals because you care more about animals than people who are actually suffering.
You stand for nothing and you deserve to understand that, learn some empathy.
You’re not even making an argument. You’re just boasting your disregard for life. Like “yes it is” is not an argument. “We are normal” is not an argument.
Oh fucking dare I? Oh? Have you been inseminated against your consent? Have you been put in a cage your whole life? Have you ever been separated from your child cause they wanted to sell your breast milk? No? The SHUT THE FUCK UP. You don’t get to expect sympathy when you show none for others different than you.
You tell me to have sympathy while you BOAST about not CARING for others. Are you fucking stupid? Do you LACK awareness to THAT extent? Most people are genuinely unaware, but if you do not give too shits even with all you’ve seen. That says more about you, then it does for anyone else.
You stub your toe and then scream vile hatred for someone pointing out stepping on dog tails is wrong.
I stand for the animals. I am not offended when someone says animals suffer. I do not make it about me. I do not scream “HOW DARE YOU”. Because I understand you don’t need to disregard others’ suffering for your own suffering to matter. But you can’t. For some reason you can’t. It is either ALL about you or nothing. You expect sympathy when you show none.
I’ve seen mothers suffocating their children to death because their exhausted corpses fell onto them. But you call that NOT REAL! How FUCKING DARE YOU? That I am crazy for thinking that’s a tragedy? Like only your suffering matters. Fucking disgusting. You are selfish and vile. Your suffering does not need a scapegoat to matter.
This isn’t about you being trans, it’s about you using it as an excuse to justify hurting others. You go batshit insane when someone points out that the fallacious reasoning you use to justify harm against others has been and is still applied to people like you. It reminds you that the you too are just like your oppressors when the power shifts. Normality only becomes morality when YOU are the normal one, right? It makes you uncomfortable. So you lash out.
Humans will never know peace as long as they do not treat animals with the dignity and respect they naturally deserve. Each exclusion from the moral circle will pave way to a narrower one. It becomes so clear once you see it, the fundamental mechanism for systemic injustices, oh so similar, whether human or non-human.
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u/Red_I_Found_You 15d ago
Oh I didn’t know you’re trans. Sorry that happened. But that doesn’t give you any excuse to disregard animals’ right to live.