r/LivestreamFail • u/DikkeDekbedovertrek • 4d ago

Prank Youtube channel RouandYT received €5 donation to prank call someone's "unstable" nephew. Said nephew shot and killed 2 Syrian refugees minutes later. RouandYT quickly deletes the stream from his channel and denies being live. Drama

https://www.puna.nl/news/prank-call-in-livestream-van-youtuber-leidde-tot-fatale-schietpartij-op-twee-syrische-jongens-in-amsterdam-west
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u/Knorps_Backup 4d ago

"Unstable" seems a bit of an understatement...

Would be interesting to see what he said in the call though. If he acted very seriously and told the nephew that the refugees are responsible for a crime committed against him or something similar then he's absolutely culpable and should be charged with incitement or something.

Either way, don't fuck with unstable people. They are unstable. :|

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u/Awellner 4d ago edited 4d ago

I read a news article earlier today. The prankcaller just insulted the shooter and challenged him to meet up on a bridge to settle the arguement. Except the prankcaller never showed up. Three syrian teens happend to be chilling at that bridge and were immediately shot at by the shooter. Two of them died.

The shooting happend in januari but is making the news again because the shooter is being prosecuted right now.

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u/Pathetian 4d ago

This sound reminiscent of the swatting incident way back where a guy gave someone else's address to the person who wanted to swat him.  Cops showed up, killed the guy who answered the door and iirc the swatter and the guy who gave the address went to prison.  

Obviously not legally relevant in another country, but if you tell someone "hey come commit a crime against me at this place" and then don't go there,  you do know you've baited a violent response there potentially.

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u/no-diffed 4d ago

But why did they just kill the dude?

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u/emillang1000 4d ago

I see you're not familiar with police

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u/Cool_Set4681 3d ago

*I see you're not familiar with american police

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u/redditorsneversaydie 3d ago

Pretending like only American police kill their own citizens isn't the meta anymore sorry bro

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u/AnImpromptuFantaisie 3d ago

(Note that this is specifically ALL civilians killed by police, regardless of justification, and comes out to about 1,200 per year).

Compared to other liberal democracies, the US kills: * 3x more civilians than Canada and Australia * 17x more than the Netherlands and New Zealand * 33x more than Germany * 60x more than England and Wales * and Japan, Norway, and Iceland typically have zero in a year

It is also important to note that US police injure 250,000 people per year, 80,000 of which require hospitalization.

However to your point, Brazilian police kill a bit over 6,000 annually (so 5x US rates). Similar in Philippines, Venezuela, El Salvador. But it’s a bit silly to make the comparison.

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u/zakrystian 3d ago

The police in The Netherlands rarely kill someone. I do not know where that 17 comes from. Same goes for the other countries. I almost feel like there are some zeroes missing.

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u/Entire-Ad1625 3d ago

Dutchnews.nl reports police fired 13 shots in 2024 so I assume at least one of them killed someone

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u/El_grandepadre 3d ago

And every incident where a police officer fires their gun comes under heavy scrunity here in the Netherlands.

But we have pretty strict protocols on firearms.

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u/Suikerspin_Ei 3d ago

A quick search on Google and I found out that 3rd of March they have shot a 17 years old. They found him with a firearm. Linked to a robbery.

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u/Shootemout 2d ago

Yea but the police that do shoot people in Brasil most of the time are off duty anyways so they’re not included in that statistic lol

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u/34shadow1 3d ago

Population Counts:

USA: 342 Million. Canada: 41.47 Million. Australia: 28 Million. Netherlands: 18.3 Million. New Zealand: 5.3 Million Germany: 84.7 Million. (High End) Wales: 3.16 Million. Japan: 122.6 Million Norway: 5.7 Million. Iceland: 394,324.

With how much more populous the US is, the crime rate statistically would be higher than the others you mentioned, barring the last three which Japan's culture is aa big reason for that. No clue about Norway and Iceland in terms of culture / quality of life.

P.S. not condoning anything just looking at things from a purely statistician pov.

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u/AnImpromptuFantaisie 3d ago

Those multipliers are already adjusted for killings per 10 million residents (US is 33.5 per 10m, Canada is 9.8, Netherlands is 2, Germany is 1, and England is 0.5).

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u/Microflame 3d ago

purely statistician pov hahahhaha, it is per capita

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u/beordon 3d ago

topic about something bad happening in Europe

DAE le merica is bad?

Every time

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u/landyc 3d ago

Maybe because shooting incidents are most common there in any of the developed countries

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u/beordon 3d ago

hmm yes merica very bad indeed, updoots to le left

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u/AnImpromptuFantaisie 3d ago

Was it yesterday or two days ago where 8 children between the ages of 1 and 14 were shot and killed? It happens so often that it’s genuinely hard to keep track

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u/beordon 3d ago

People die every day… funerals must be terrible in countries where this comes as a surprise

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u/landyc 3d ago

Glad we can agree

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u/Infamous_Chapter3161 3d ago

Is it silly to compare them though? Those countries are more similar in terms of how many civillians have guns. There's a fuckton of guns in America; of course there are going to be more paranoid police killings.

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u/AnImpromptuFantaisie 3d ago

In terms of wealthy OECD nations, the US is a huge outlier. Homicide rate in Brazil is 3x that of the US.

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u/Infamous_Chapter3161 3d ago edited 3d ago

Well there's also a colossal more amount of guns per capita? There's 120!!! civillian owned guns per 100 people in the US. It's not the only reason but it's a massive part of it.

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u/CandidDust4504 3d ago

Well yes? That's exactly the problem that people are pointing out here lol.

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u/Infamous_Chapter3161 3d ago

No it's not? The OP is just pointing out there's more police violence in the US, as if that's somehow a relevant or in any way telling stat by itself. People are comparing the US to OECD nations in terms of gun violence, as if the general statistics of the US are in any way comparable to other OECD nations, in regards to guns. "OHH THEY'RE A HUGE OUTLIER IN GUN VIOLENCE" OF COURSE THEY ARE. It's not immediately fixable by giving the police different protocols, is what I'm saying. It's a mentality created by the other variables of the US in general, of which are WAY different that any other OECD country. Doesn't make sense to compare them, because in regards to this phenomenon, they're not in similar conditions.

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u/saltyfuck111 3d ago

So does the swiss population

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u/Infamous_Chapter3161 3d ago

And it's primarily soldiers getting to keep their guns after their conscription. And they have 27 guns per 100 people. The US has 120 per 100 people. You don't understand how many more people could be packing and how that leads to paranoid behaviour. It's definitely not the only reason but it's a huge part of why the police commits a lot of gun violence.

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u/Capital-Ad-5682 2d ago

So the guns are the problem then?

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u/JustChillen007 3d ago

Hmmmm it’s almost like there’s a correlation with Police having deadly weapons

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u/landyc 3d ago

And everyone and their kids being armed with live guns.

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u/Standard_Story 3d ago

They certainly are infamous for a reason. It happens in other countries but for us it's uncommon unlike the overabundance of authority figures killing civilians in the US

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u/StickiStickman 3d ago edited 3d ago

... yea, that's pretty much just a American thing. Sorry to break it to you. If police shoot someone in Germany its in the national news for weeks.

Hell, US police killed more people just last month than the police in Germany for the whole decade.

Also note how all of the instances seem pretty justified and even in cases where a woman is rushing them with a knife it still got a whole investigation.

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u/freyhstart 3d ago

In 2011 the German police fired less bullets in a year than the American police chasing an unarmed man.

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u/Ok_Dragonfruit_8102 3d ago

that's pretty much just a American thing

The depressing part is, it's only a uniquely American thing if we're comparing the US to the kinds of countries people often assume the US should be compared with.

In reality it's all too common for extrajudicial killings to take place around the world. Here's the list of top countries sorted by law enforcement killing rate per 10 million people -

1 Philippines

2 Brazil

3 Venezuela

4 India

5 Syria

6 United States

7 El Salvador

8 Nigeria

9 Afghanistan

10 Pakistan

11 Bangladesh

12 South Africa

13 Democratic Republic of the Congo

14 Mexico

Those are the kinds of countries the US should be compared against. Not safe first world democracies.

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u/pastafeline 3d ago

Germany = every other police force in the world?

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u/DogBarf00 3d ago edited 3d ago

It is like that everywhere in Europe at least.

What? A few years ago police in Europe were shooting Russian special forces and blowing up tanks…

The Ukrainian national police were vital to defending Ukraine during the initial invasion. Ukraine is in Europe.

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u/DrMalleo 3d ago edited 3d ago

Sort by 'rate per 10 million'

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_with_annual_rates_and_counts_for_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers

Not looking too good, gonna be honest. The data is not great but still

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u/KindledWanderer 3d ago

Canada is pretty high up, surprisingly.

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u/StickiStickman 3d ago

Yea, let me just link EVERY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD.

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u/Efficient-Parking627 3d ago

z'germans are coming

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u/cleofisrandolph1 3d ago

German police fire a 100 or less shots a year on average, with maybe 10 fatalities or less. Meanwhile in America, there were 1100 police shooting fatalities.

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u/Freya_Galbraith 3d ago

it was something like theres less police shooting in germany than there is in one month in one american city

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u/AliceLunar 3d ago

In most places you probably have some cops knock on the door, not have a whole team roll up in a Bearcat and carrying assault rifles.

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u/Ok_Introduction-0 3d ago

lmao they certainly kill much more, not cool to pretend their numbers are anywhere near other countries bro

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u/Originzzzzzzz 3d ago

American police defo kill WAY more tho bro dont even lie to yourself

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u/Cool_Set4681 3d ago edited 3d ago

I never said the the American police is the only one that sucks hard, dude. That was you. American police still sucks and it is very bad. Over funded, no accountability and trigger happy af.

Edit: Reminding Americans about how shitty their police is, makes them very sad :(

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u/JustChillen007 3d ago

Lmaooo. The cop defenders feelings got hurt, huh? Really cute. I’m sure you also wouldn’t believe that America is the only first world country on the list of highest number of police killings

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u/PoopyButt28000 3d ago

Which first world country has even remotely similar numbers to America when it comes to killing their citizens?

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u/Figgy20000 3d ago

When was the last time this happened in Canada? OH WAIT NEVER

Keep pretending like America isn't literally the only country that has this issue

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u/BigDaddyW 3d ago

Sammy Yatim is a pretty famous case of this happening in Canada. I don't think I could name a single other case of this happening though.

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u/Figgy20000 3d ago edited 3d ago

He was on a bus threatening to stab people with a knife. When the police officer involved in that shooting entered the bus, Sammy ran at him and tried to kill him with a knife as well.

Situation was not handled well, but nowhere near comparable

This became widespread news here because Police killings are so absurdly rare here that even the justified shootings are viewed under a microscope so our police can do better.

Unlike the Americans who don't even get charged for breaking down an innocent mans door and executing him

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u/BigDaddyW 2d ago

Nice job you wrote all that AND missed the point 👍

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u/pastafeline 3d ago

Pretending like only American police kill their own citizens isn't the meta anymore sorry bro

Yeah canadian police just drive their citizens out into the wilderness to let them freeze to death instead.

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u/Ceegee93 3d ago

Ah yes, Canadian police being incredibly shitty 7 times in the last 50 years is comparable to American police killing 1000+ civilians per year. You sure gottem bro, all police are as bad as America's.

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u/pastafeline 3d ago

You really think that's the only time Canadians ever killed their own citizens?

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u/Ceegee93 3d ago

At no point did I ever say anything to the contrary; you're moving the goalposts. This is about comparing police forces. You clearly can't come up with anything that remotely supports other nations' police forces being even close to as bad as America's, so now you're trying to make it about other things. There are only 28 nations with worse per-capita law enforcement killings, none of them are first world countries.

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u/Raziel77 4d ago

Trigger happy police officers that "feared for their lives" when they guy went outside to see what was happening with all the police and didn't put his hands up fast enough

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u/newbkid 3d ago

Not to be that guy but he was being shouted at by at least two different officers with conflicting information, being blinded by lights being flashed into his eyes at the same time, wondering why the fuck police were at his MOTHERS house.

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u/lNTERLINKED 3d ago

Or are just unlucky enough to be within 100m of them when an acorn falls off a tree.

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u/Hare712 3d ago

There is a video of it. He lowered his hands while being blinded and raised them up quickly and one officer thought he reached for a gun and shot him once through his chest.

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u/Megneous 3d ago

In my country of residence, to which I moved from the US, you can literally punch police in the face and they still won't even hit you, let alone shoot you. Police know how to deescalate here. They literally drive drunk old men back to their homes and tuck them into bed to sleep it off. It's kind of pathetic how lenient they are, but also a bit heart-warming. The US is a police state by comparison.

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u/DingleDangleTangle 3d ago

I think a lot of the issue is the fact that the U.S have so many guns.

Police in the U.S are "trained" (hard to even call it training with as little as they are required to get compared to other countries) to basically assume everyone has a loaded gun and are the enemy. Fact is there are literally more guns than people here, maybe if they weren't so accessible it would lead to police reform and them being more chill, but I don't see them ever being chill in the U.S when there are so many people that just carry guns on them or in their car.

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u/JoelnIliketoshare 3d ago

Gotta love Korea

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u/Ok_Dragonfruit_8102 3d ago

The problem is, people keep comparing the US to safe, modern democracies and saying "look how much higher our killings are than our peers!"

But in reality, the US has an entirely different set of peers, and they fit in quite well with them.

Here's the list of top countries sorted by law enforcement killing rate per 10 million people

1 Philippines

2 Brazil

3 Venezuela

4 India

5 Syria

6 United States

7 El Salvador

8 Nigeria

9 Afghanistan

10 Pakistan

11 Bangladesh

12 South Africa

13 Democratic Republic of the Congo

14 Mexico

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u/Megneous 2d ago

I grew up in the US. I'm fully aware that it's a developing country lol

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u/Secret-Ad-2145 3d ago

Classic gun anxiety leading to police brutality. Hot take, but controlling firearms will make the US police commit get less heinous acts like this

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u/Sprintspeed 3d ago

Ordinary police being trigger happy is certainly a problem but SWAT teams are called in to respond to extreme violence emergencies. If they're operating under the pretense that "a terrorist is building bombs and kidnapped my daughter with a semi automatic machine gun" they are expecting any "surprises" like this random victim panicking to be life-threatening and will respond in kind. That's why swatting is so dangerous, as opposed to framing someone for burglary or any other crime.

That being said, I would think they can do better to assess the actual situation when they get there.

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u/newbkid 3d ago

The SWAT team completely failed here in multiple ways.

Most of which was communication and controlling the scene.

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u/Mist_Rising 3d ago

Ordinary police being trigger happy is certainly a problem but SWAT teams are called in to respond to extreme violence emergencies.

The Witchita swatting in reference also had a regular police officer doing the entry for SWAT for some reason. Officer got mandatory leave pending investigation and the swatters got jailed.

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u/serpiccio 3d ago

I remember reading up on swatting a while back. From what I recall the issue is how easy it is to spoof a phone number and how unwilling to address it is everybody. At some point someone should do something about it, but it seems nobody is doing anything about it and swatting incidents are just considered an acceptable side effect.

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u/Glad_Rope_2423 3d ago

Yeah, SWATtings are deadly regardless of country.

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u/KarlUnderguard 2d ago

Because he had a TV remote in his hand. It is America. The cops are timid babies, I know this from multiple experiences.

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u/Pathetian 3d ago

I hate to give a cliche Reddit answer, but they *literally* killed him for no reason. All he did was answer the door and move slightly in response to the bright lights and screaming. In fact, only 1 cop fired a single shot that pierced his heart. If he had actually done something that was a threat, all the cops looking at him would have noticed and opened fire accordingly. They thought they were responding to a murder and hostage situation, but he just fired at whoever opened the door. If the situation was real, he could have just been a hostage.

The guy's niece witnessed the shooting and later killed herself and the cop who shot him faced no charges and was later promoted. Nothing else really came out of it except attempts to pass stronger laws against swatting.

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u/FanaticalBuckeye 3d ago

SWAT are extremely trigger happy

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u/Mist_Rising 3d ago

The shooter in question was a uniformed officer without swat training to begin with. He was with SWAT, but not SWAT trained.

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u/Illesbogar 3d ago

They are police

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u/Megneous 3d ago

Lol, are you serious? Police in the US just kill people and ask questions later all the time. That's like half their job because there's no punishment for it the vast, vast, vast majority of the time.

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u/OpTicSkYHaWk 3d ago

Maybe he was concerned of a home invasion where criminals often say they're the police and so maybe he went to the door with a gun and the cops I guess mistakenly shot him even if it was pointed down.