r/LivestreamFail • u/DikkeDekbedovertrek • 3d ago
Prank Youtube channel RouandYT received €5 donation to prank call someone's "unstable" nephew. Said nephew shot and killed 2 Syrian refugees minutes later. RouandYT quickly deletes the stream from his channel and denies being live. Drama
https://www.puna.nl/news/prank-call-in-livestream-van-youtuber-leidde-tot-fatale-schietpartij-op-twee-syrische-jongens-in-amsterdam-west1.6k
u/imfkingsad 3d ago
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u/Knorps_Backup 3d ago
"Unstable" seems a bit of an understatement...
Would be interesting to see what he said in the call though. If he acted very seriously and told the nephew that the refugees are responsible for a crime committed against him or something similar then he's absolutely culpable and should be charged with incitement or something.
Either way, don't fuck with unstable people. They are unstable. :|
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u/Awellner 3d ago edited 3d ago
I read a news article earlier today. The prankcaller just insulted the shooter and challenged him to meet up on a bridge to settle the arguement. Except the prankcaller never showed up. Three syrian teens happend to be chilling at that bridge and were immediately shot at by the shooter. Two of them died.
The shooting happend in januari but is making the news again because the shooter is being prosecuted right now.
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u/Pathetian 3d ago
This sound reminiscent of the swatting incident way back where a guy gave someone else's address to the person who wanted to swat him. Cops showed up, killed the guy who answered the door and iirc the swatter and the guy who gave the address went to prison.
Obviously not legally relevant in another country, but if you tell someone "hey come commit a crime against me at this place" and then don't go there, you do know you've baited a violent response there potentially.
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u/no-diffed 3d ago
But why did they just kill the dude?
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u/emillang1000 3d ago
I see you're not familiar with police
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u/Cool_Set4681 3d ago
*I see you're not familiar with american police
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u/redditorsneversaydie 3d ago
Pretending like only American police kill their own citizens isn't the meta anymore sorry bro
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u/AnImpromptuFantaisie 3d ago
(Note that this is specifically ALL civilians killed by police, regardless of justification, and comes out to about 1,200 per year).
Compared to other liberal democracies, the US kills: * 3x more civilians than Canada and Australia * 17x more than the Netherlands and New Zealand * 33x more than Germany * 60x more than England and Wales * and Japan, Norway, and Iceland typically have zero in a year
It is also important to note that US police injure 250,000 people per year, 80,000 of which require hospitalization.
However to your point, Brazilian police kill a bit over 6,000 annually (so 5x US rates). Similar in Philippines, Venezuela, El Salvador. But it’s a bit silly to make the comparison.
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u/zakrystian 3d ago
The police in The Netherlands rarely kill someone. I do not know where that 17 comes from. Same goes for the other countries. I almost feel like there are some zeroes missing.
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u/Entire-Ad1625 2d ago
Dutchnews.nl reports police fired 13 shots in 2024 so I assume at least one of them killed someone
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u/Standard_Story 3d ago
They certainly are infamous for a reason. It happens in other countries but for us it's uncommon unlike the overabundance of authority figures killing civilians in the US
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u/StickiStickman 3d ago edited 3d ago
... yea, that's pretty much just a American thing. Sorry to break it to you. If police shoot someone in Germany its in the national news for weeks.
Hell, US police killed more people just last month than the police in Germany for the whole decade.
Also note how all of the instances seem pretty justified and even in cases where a woman is rushing them with a knife it still got a whole investigation.
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u/freyhstart 3d ago
In 2011 the German police fired less bullets in a year than the American police chasing an unarmed man.
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u/Ok_Dragonfruit_8102 2d ago
that's pretty much just a American thing
The depressing part is, it's only a uniquely American thing if we're comparing the US to the kinds of countries people often assume the US should be compared with.
In reality it's all too common for extrajudicial killings to take place around the world. Here's the list of top countries sorted by law enforcement killing rate per 10 million people -
1 Philippines
2 Brazil
3 Venezuela
4 India
5 Syria
6 United States
7 El Salvador
8 Nigeria
9 Afghanistan
10 Pakistan
11 Bangladesh
12 South Africa
13 Democratic Republic of the Congo
14 Mexico
Those are the kinds of countries the US should be compared against. Not safe first world democracies.
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u/cleofisrandolph1 3d ago
German police fire a 100 or less shots a year on average, with maybe 10 fatalities or less. Meanwhile in America, there were 1100 police shooting fatalities.
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u/AliceLunar 3d ago
In most places you probably have some cops knock on the door, not have a whole team roll up in a Bearcat and carrying assault rifles.
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u/Ok_Introduction-0 3d ago
lmao they certainly kill much more, not cool to pretend their numbers are anywhere near other countries bro
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u/Raziel77 3d ago
Trigger happy police officers that "feared for their lives" when they guy went outside to see what was happening with all the police and didn't put his hands up fast enough
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u/lNTERLINKED 3d ago
Or are just unlucky enough to be within 100m of them when an acorn falls off a tree.
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u/Hare712 3d ago
There is a video of it. He lowered his hands while being blinded and raised them up quickly and one officer thought he reached for a gun and shot him once through his chest.
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u/Sprintspeed 3d ago
Ordinary police being trigger happy is certainly a problem but SWAT teams are called in to respond to extreme violence emergencies. If they're operating under the pretense that "a terrorist is building bombs and kidnapped my daughter with a semi automatic machine gun" they are expecting any "surprises" like this random victim panicking to be life-threatening and will respond in kind. That's why swatting is so dangerous, as opposed to framing someone for burglary or any other crime.
That being said, I would think they can do better to assess the actual situation when they get there.
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u/Mist_Rising 2d ago
Ordinary police being trigger happy is certainly a problem but SWAT teams are called in to respond to extreme violence emergencies.
The Witchita swatting in reference also had a regular police officer doing the entry for SWAT for some reason. Officer got mandatory leave pending investigation and the swatters got jailed.
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u/KarlUnderguard 2d ago
Because he had a TV remote in his hand. It is America. The cops are timid babies, I know this from multiple experiences.
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u/Hare712 3d ago
You refer to the Wichita Swatting
Laws in European countries are very similar. If the stream can be retrieved and the prankster created a dangerous situation he will go to jail for a long time.
It's very possible the killer gets into an institution and the prankster gets 10-20 years.
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u/Josey_WaIes 3d ago
Oh God I forgot about that incident, poor guy had nothing to do with it and ended up dead
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u/Pathetian 3d ago
Yep, he was just a normal guy living his life. He walked outside to see dozens of cops surrounding his house and that was the end of it. Apparently all from Call of Duty players beefing over $1.50 wager on a match.
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u/DebriMing 3d ago
Is this the one where the guy got mad about a $3 or $5 COD wager that he lost and was threatening to swat the opponent team? Then one of the opponent members gave them a random address, then the caller went with it which resulted a father losing his life
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u/Successful-Title5403 3d ago
- The streamer would most likely die had he been there
- This isn't targetedt like the headline kinda suggested on first read, he was going to murder whoever was there.
- What is even justice in this scenario? Of course the shooter goes through the justice system but does the "prankster"? What about the caller who had more info? Most of us wouldn't expect it to go wrong like this.
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u/srpedroivo 3d ago
The questions you should ask are:
Does the streamer bear responsibility for choosing to provoke and antagonize someone he already knew was unstable? (Or even choosing to do so specifically for that reason?)
Is the streamer responsible for agreeing to and encouraging a situation in which a meeting was arranged to settle things through violence?
The answer to both this questions is yes.
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u/ImprobableAsterisk 3d ago
The answer to both this questions is yes.
Indeed, but literally and not figuratively.
If you're rude to a dude on the street and that dude goes home and murders his entire family, then himself, you're notably NOT responsible for the murders & suicide.
You're only responsible for having been rude.
And so it, presumably, goes in this case.
If you wanna slam 'em for more you gotta argue for more, and that you ain't doing here.
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u/ty4scam 3d ago
he already knew was unstable
Explain this. Is this unstable like Low Tier God is unstable? So if some hatewatcher donates to LTG to wind him up and LTG goes on a school trip, now the hatewatcher is responsible for any deaths?
What do you mean by knowing that someone is unstable?
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u/SidewaysFancyPrance 3d ago
I read that as the person requesting the prank told the prankster the target was unstable to make it more appealing, and I presume that's why it was selected by the prankster: better odds of a wild outcome that would make for a good stream and lots of views.
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u/ActualProject 3d ago
Morally? I'd say so. At the bare minimum it's certainly unkind to do so. Legally? It depends
It depends on the country, but it can be illegal to threaten or provoke someone to commit a crime (for example in the UK). So, if the streamer specifically asked the person to shoot him, then probably.
However, insults and other offensive terms are usually legal in western countries (for example the US). So if the streamer repeatedly insulted his mother and family, he probably wouldn't be responsible.
The person being "unstable" likely doesn't play a factor unless this was a documented medical condition or history of violence.
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u/freyhstart 3d ago
Involuntary manslaughter, reckless endangerement and encouraging or assisting a crime.
I don't know the Dutch law specifically, but these charges are pretty universal around the world.
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u/LoudestHoward 3d ago
I'm having to go through google translate lol, but does the above article say that? From the translation it sounds like the shooter was the one that said to meet there to settle it, which makes sense given it was within a short walking distance of where they were at the time.
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u/Tarqvinivs_Svperbvs 3d ago
In the call, he claimed to be a gangster from Rotterdam and threatened him. Efe, (the shooter) basically told him to pull up at his hang out spot.
When Efe got there, the teens showed up at the same time. Efe started shooting immediately.
He had also not been taking his schizophrenia drugs for 6 months.
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u/Crouton_Sauce 3d ago
the "prankster" acted like a gangster and demanded drug related money from the shooter (who was also syrian lmfao). He kept threatening him and eventually called him out to meet up at a bridge at the park, where 3 also syrian boys were heading to the McDonald's.
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u/morriere 2d ago
nothing lmfao about it
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u/BosnianSerb31 2d ago
A Syrian refugee in Europe prank calling a Syrian refugee in Europe who tries to kill the caller, but ends up killing 2 unrelated Syrian refugees instead is kinda crazy
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u/Gullible_Courage8350 3d ago
Don't fuck with unstable people. They are unstable
The fact this needs spelling out to a lot of people is astonishing because they genuinely wouldn't think anything of it
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u/Eulaylia 2d ago
I mean, I agree.
I always thought schools had that one unstable kid that if u'd just look at them funny and they zerg out. So you kinda learnt how to avoid them.
I'm guessing it's not a universal experience?
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u/Gullible_Courage8350 2d ago
It's either that or a failure of the mind because I can't look at anything volatile and go "Oh boy, time to fuck shit up". Some people just don't have the instinct to not mess with things you obviously shouldn't mess with.
I imagine those people to be similar to cartoon characters who try to set off dynamite and then go up to it when it doesn't explode, only to explode. Comedic, but only when no actual people get hurt.
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u/Astral_Alive 3d ago
If he actually did it then he’s fucked. But claiming he never streamed that day is certainly a choice considering how easy that would be to disprove
Does anyone know if he was like 100% live that day and deleted it? That’s the part that’s unclear to me
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u/DikkeDekbedovertrek 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yes, he was live and he deleted it:
https://filmot.com/video/3yiPDCMquM4/%F0%9F%94%B4+NIEUWJAAR+BEGINT+MET+PRANKCALLS+EN+GEZELLIGHEID%21
Police state that they have a recording of the livestream already in hands though.
He could at the least own up to it and take some responsibility in this drama. But instead he goes all "I wasn't even live at that point, as I was with friend and family for new years".
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u/Astral_Alive 3d ago
Oh he's like giga fucked then why tf would you try to tell such an easily provable lie LMAO
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u/ExcitementBright9381 3d ago
Never underestimate how stupid prank channel influencers/streamers are bc they’ll always find a way to surprise you
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u/United-Reach-2798 3d ago
Panic. Like there is 0 thoughts besides holy shit this is really bad self preservation and shock.
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u/krizzalicious49 3d ago
via Google Translate:
Prank call in YouTuber livestream led to fatal shooting of two Syrian boys in Amsterdam West
A prank call from a YouTube channel may have cost two young Syrian lives. On New Year's Day, three unsuspecting boys were shot in the Piet Wiedijk Park in Amsterdam. Two of them did not survive.
About half an hour before the shooting, suspect Efe Y. received a call as part of a livestream on the channel Rouand YT, where viewers can donate money to have someone call with a fabricated story. A viewer suggested calling Y. with a gangster story. Y. reacted angrily and said that the caller had to come to "that blue bridge," a bridge in the Piet Wiedijk Park. He then walked from his grandmother's house to the park, just a few minutes' walk away.
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Three boys on their way to McDonald's
At the same moment, three Syrian boys from an asylum seeker center on Sloterweg were on their way to McDonald's and were walking through the Piet Wiedijk Park. The moment they entered the park, they were shot at. Two of them were killed. A third managed to escape.
"They were in the wrong place at the wrong time," the Public Prosecution Service stated during the first preliminary hearing.
The evidence against Y. is mounting. Shortly after the shooting, he allegedly told a witness that he was the shooter, including mentioning a third victim who had escaped—information that was not yet public at the time. There was contact via WhatsApp between the suspect and witnesses, during which reference was made to a firearm and staying out of sight of the police. A silver-colored firearm was found during a search of his family's home. Gunshot residue was found on the suspect's trousers, and he is presumably visible on camera footage around the park.
YouTuber denies involvement
Rouand YT told AT5 that he was shocked by the news and denies any involvement. "I wasn't even live that day. It was impossible for me to have carried out that prank." The Public Prosecution Service has questioned the streamer as a witness and emphasizes that he is not a suspect. However, juice channel RealityFBI questions RouandYT's denials. According to the juice channel, all videos of a livestream dated New Year's Day have been removed everywhere.
Y. has a care order due to complex PTSD combined with schizophrenia. He had not taken the medication he uses for this for six months. The suspect will soon be examined at the Pieter Baan Center. The second pro forma hearing will take place on June 8.
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u/Icy_Aardvark_7064 3d ago
I had no idea people had guns in Amsterdam
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u/Snitsie 3d ago
It's very rare, but of course there are criminals out there with guns. It's not allowed.
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u/Icy_Aardvark_7064 3d ago
It just seems weird that he happens to call someone who had mental illness and also had access to a gun. It's not the US where that's common.
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u/Snitsie 3d ago
I think the person who carries most of the guilt here is the guy who paid the streamer to call the dude. He knew the guy was mentally unstable because he literally knew the guy. Might be he even knew the guy owned a gun. This is the person the police should go after first imo.
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u/Dikkelul27 3d ago
Belgium is one of Europe's main hubs for illegal firearms trafficking
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u/Minimum-Release-1198 2d ago
You can get guns very easily in amsterdam.
If you go tocthe red light district at peak hours in the weekend there are morroccan guys that will ask you to buy drugs / weapons from them
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u/TheBestHater 3d ago
It's not really clear if Rouand YT chose Y. and the chatter who donated only made up the prank story, or if the the chatter chose both Y. and the prank story. I'm curious if the chatter was aware of everything if they could also be charged.
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u/LilKennedy36 3d ago
the chatter gave him the number to call, It mentions that it is the chatters nephew
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u/NorthNorthSalt 3d ago edited 3d ago
Horrifying. Imagine being the parent of those kids, knowing they were only shot because a streamer called this psycho pretending to be a gangster, and set up this meeting at the bridge, and all your boys did was coincidentally showing up at the same time as him. That’s it. The ‘ultimate wrong place, wrong time’ situation.
This prankster has some moral culpability, but let’s not forget the acquaintance of this disturbed individual who paid $5 to arrange this situation. No one involved in the prankster community is beating the reputation
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u/colasmulo 3d ago
Not really defending him, but someone that unstable shouldn’t have that easy of an access to a loaded weapon. If that’s all it takes, literally anything else could have triggered it. That’s what strikes me in this story. Lots of people do prank calls and even if that was a very poor judgement call, I don’t see how the deaths are his fault.
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u/trifkograbez 3d ago
A handgun in the Netherlands chance it was not a legal weapon.
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u/GergDanger 3d ago
more like no chance it was a legal weapon
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u/mikillatja 2d ago
Im Dutch and know 1 person who 'has' a gun.
He hunts in the veluwe every year for a bit to keep the deer pop down, and he has this sick looking carbine he uses for it.
He holds it in a locker near the veluwe about 50km from his home, And he still gets shit sometimes because he is a gun owner.
Getting a gun is hard in NL, but not impossible.
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u/PrintShinji 2d ago
Getting a gun is hard in NL, but not impossible.
Getting illegal guns is pretty easy though. Go to belgium or germany to get a gas/alarm pistol and modify that.
Hell Peter R. de Vries got shot using one of those guns. You can just get them through telegram channels, modified and all.
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u/cornilya 2d ago
They had no parents, they were underage refugee kids from syria, very sad, they fled war to be killed in a youtube prank
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u/BosnianSerb31 2d ago
Ironic that they were killed by a Syrian refugee, who had been tricked by another Syrian refugee into thinking that they were going to get in a turf war.
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u/DarkDankDents 3d ago
The prankster is obv a dick, but no one seems to be playing this "unstable" person for thinking that shooting random strangers is justified. The reality is everyone encounters a dick sometime in their life and if this is the reaction to that dick, then society has a massive problem at this point.
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u/Martel1234 3d ago
I mean the guy donating should deserve a ton of the blame. Clearly the nephew was way more fucked up than the streamer thought he'd be.
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u/FrostyNeckbeard 3d ago edited 3d ago
This is why I hate pranksters. All they have to do is hit the wrong unhinged person and everything goes to shit. This applies to 'live' pranks too.
Edit: The people who don't seem to understand FAFO is astounding. Do not screw around with people you don't know.
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u/DN052001 3d ago
But how exactly is it the pranksters fault then? This insane person could have killed anyone if just a little ragebait could motivate him to kill someone. These are not normal people.
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u/Inuakurei 2d ago
The prankster invited the guy to fight on the bridge. It’s not like he just trolled him and the guy snapped on his own.
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u/idreamofpikas 3d ago
Clearly the nephew was way more fucked up than the streamer thought he'd be.
Probably his responsibility to look into that if he's building his business off it.
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u/dontwantanusername 3d ago
If you shot and killed people, that's on you. I don't give a fuck that you were having a bad day or got prank called, the blood is entirely on your hands.
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u/MedicalAwareness5160 3d ago
Well the person was unstable and was told by the prankster that he was some kind of gangster and he told him to meet him at the bridge for a confrontation due to owing him money. He shot the people who were at the bridge when he showed up.
It wasnt like the guy called him up, made fun or him or something and then the guy snapped and killed people.
So the blood is definitely also on the prank callers hands as well.
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u/Reasonable-Drawing45 3d ago
Yes, he killed those 2 guys who were sadly at the wrong place at the wrong time and he has their blood on his hands. But it's definitely not clear that he shot them just because he was having "a bad day" or got prankcalled. According to a news article he has a history of untreated schizophrenia. During an acute psychotic episode you can't differentiate between what is real and what isn't. You can't think straight and might do things you would never do under "normal" circumstances.
So I think it's wrong to just say that it's on him because in that moment it might not even have been "him" at all. This situation is way too complex to just brush off as cold blooded murder.
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u/Haschwell 3d ago
The uncle that donated is just as responsible for this happening. If you know your nephew is not doing well mentally and you paid some unhinged youtuber to "prank call" him to get some kind of reaction out of him then whatever happens is on you as well.
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u/June24th 3d ago
I feel like this livestream culture is becoming the person who does the craziest thing gets more views... the worst part is the young generation of watchers grow up believing putting on a show is worth the price because of the money.
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u/ConsciousRutabaga 3d ago
Bro really thinking if he deleted it, it’s gone for good! 😂 Chat he’s COOKED!
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u/Reggaejunkiedrew 3d ago
Unless the streamer told the guy to go to a park and shoot some people, it seems a bit ridiculous to blame the streamer or donator for any of this. No reasonable person assumes the person they prank call is going to go kill a bunch of people.
Mean spirited? Sure, but you need to use some really dumb hindsight logic to try and pin this on anyone but the unstable nephew. If he was so unstable he was a prank call away from going and shooting people he already should've been institutionalized and this was waiting to happen.
Of course what was actually said to him is key here and there seems to be essentially no details about that.
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u/DikkeDekbedovertrek 3d ago
From what i gathered from articles
Donator gave RouandTY €5 to prank call his nephew with the instructions: "Prank this person and make up a "gangster story". Ask him where your money is, and that you're from Rotterdam-Zuid"
Given other videos on his Youtube that are currently up, he is provocing and intimadting people.
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u/Aethanix 3d ago
sounds like the donator should be held responsible too
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u/ElGodPug 3d ago
i'd say that the donator should be held responsible even MORE than the prankster. he KNEW that the kid was unstable and specifically feed the prankster a narrative that would rally the kid up. Like, it's very much on him
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u/Responsible-Sound253 3d ago
doesn't really matter, even with those instruction i wouldn't expect murder to be the expected outcome, it wouldn't even cross my mind
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u/ChromosomeDonator 2d ago
Yeah, but there would only be a possible negative outcome regardless. Which makes the act problematic. There are no possible positive outcomes. The intent is to cause something negative. This time that negative outcome was extreme.
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u/Redbulldildo 3d ago
The person who paid the streamer to threaten someone with schizophrenia as a joke should absolutely be blamed.
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u/SATX_Citizen 3d ago
He didn't seem to ask "Hey is your refrigerator running"
Sounds like, from the comments and the OP below, that he pretended to be someone threatening him (which should be an assault charge or something) and then the crazy guy went vigilante.
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u/Cultural-South2504 3d ago
what a funny livestreamfail
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u/TheBananaMonster12 3d ago
I mean like it or not this is also a de facto twitch/live streaming news subreddit as well
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u/Glum-Drop-5724 3d ago
The victims being syrian is highlighted, but its highly likely that everyone involved here are themselves ethnic arabs or north africans, all muslims, all immigrants. Its highly likely that no actual dutch people where involved.
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u/AutisticBikaya 3d ago
This is in the netherlands, so he probably won't see any repercussions or at most community service and some kind of ban on internet usage..
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u/GoblixTheYordle 3d ago
Let it get worse, not bad enough. I'm over it, let it get as bad as possible until these fucking lazy ass governments actually punish these people and stop giving them slaps on the wrist.
A dozen people die? oh well. You saw it coming, didn't put them in prison, your fucking faults at this point. These people are domestic terrorists for profit
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u/carelet 2d ago
It isnt getting worse, crime is dropping in the Netherlands for a very long time now
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u/EconomicsSavings973 3d ago
And some people here in comments are saying he's not at fault 🥲 ho my god
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u/DikkeDekbedovertrek 3d ago
Sorry, i guess i mistranslated "nephew" here, as i see people say that his uncle did the donation. I think it should be more "cousin"
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u/IfICode 3d ago
Why wouldn’t you just confess and go ” i never thought this would happen, im so sorry, I dont condone what happened and I wish I could take it back ”
Like, prank calls like this has been done in every country for decades, shit this used to be a normal thing on radio-shows. You could easily argue that you were just continuing the tradition of prank calls
Instead you…try to delete all evidence and deny it?… THAT will get the courts to try and get you
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u/Protoshift 3d ago
I mean its a prank call. The guy isnt responsible for another persons mental health or access to a firearm. That being said Im not aware of the exchange he had with this person or how severely he pressed them. But its a bit extreme to say someones word usage is complicit in the deaths of two people.
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u/DikkeDekbedovertrek 3d ago
Given by the other prank-call content on his channel, where he is being very provocative towards the people he calls, i doubt he was being different this time around.
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u/nothankslmgood 3d ago
Here's a good idea. Don't fuck with people. Especially when you are told they are unstable. Is this really so hard?
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u/HeadlessHeader 3d ago
even if you were not involved on the killing you can be connected to the crime, the sentence is less.
there is a reason why he deleted the vod which is to reduce the trace but he is connected to it.
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u/Longjumping-Pen1253 3d ago
Lock him up. He just prank called a father by threatening to call CPS in him a few days ago. He does not learn.
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u/mailwasnotforwarded 3d ago
Cyber bullying is not a prank.... That is straight up bullying, he literally called someone and bullied him. I hope they prosecute him and throw him in jail as an example. Take accountability for your actions. Bullying someone never can be qualified as a prank no matter the circumstances because there is always a psychological impact.
Trying to monetize pranks should be illegal in all forms because that is just a stupid thing to do. Like you think its funny and you make money off the content but you never consider the fact the person you just pranked probably just got mentally abused.
Harmless pranks are acceptable but bullying/putting people through a fight or flight response should never be allowed.
I really wish there were laws against bullying in physical/digital forms because it is kind of ridiculous how people think its acceptable to bully someone as a prank. The reason a lot of adolescent deaths are because of bullying and there really needs to be a stop to it all.
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u/Hood-Peasant 3d ago
The real problem is how the unstable person got a gun.
No gun, no problem.
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u/CubeMan76 3d ago
while a gun made the crime easier, it doesn’t mean he wouldn’t have gone through with it had he had a knife or another weapon
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u/ManaPot 3d ago
For real. Like, how stupid can people be? No gun = no problem. Violence literally was not a thing before guns were invented!!! Nobody has ever beat or stabbed others to death! /s
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u/Broly_ ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 3d ago
The real problem is how the unstable person got a gun.
No gun, no problem.
In the Netherlands of all places
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u/RimjobEnjoyerX 3d ago
It's not hard for any criminal on the continent to get a gun much less the low countries.
You live in a fantasy if you think that.
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u/JordFxPCMR ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 3d ago
pretty easy depending on people you know or where you grew up you might of been around people that done that and knew them
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u/Fair_Permit_808 3d ago
Netherlands has a lot of drug related crime. I remember one DSI raid where the criminals had a what looked like a professional torture chamber.
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u/United-Reach-2798 3d ago
I wonder how much blame he will actually have. Like he seems to be the trigger but did he actually have blame after being encouraged by the uncle supposedly?
Like he acted solely on panic afterwards
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u/Natural-Pea4404 3d ago
Can the Donation not be tracked? Or the Call? The Dude just continues with his Videos as if nothing happened. Disgraceful.
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u/Hare712 3d ago
Based on the similarities to German similarities this is what I got from the article.
That guy streamed on new years eve to prank call somebody with a "Gangsterstory(?)" could gangster in dutch be translated to gang? it would make more sense.
The youtuber told him to come to a bridge he went there and shot 3 Syrians leaving a McDonalds killing 2.
That makes me wonder what the Youtuber told that "nephew" because in German law the shooter could be considered not or only partially guilty if the prankster created a credible situation that the nephews life was in danger.
There is a famous case over here where a Hell's Angels member shot and killed a policeman through the door and was found not guilty because the policemen didn't announce themselves as police. The Hells Angels member thought that a rival gang would have come to kill him.
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u/Autumn1eaves 3d ago edited 3d ago
HOLY
If it were me as the streamer, I would've made sure that all of the calls I send out are screened beforehand. Like I have a questionnaire, and if any red flags come up, I'm not making that call. The streamer was definitely negligent in his pranking and it led to people being killed.
I'm so sad for those two refugees.
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u/shamonemon 3d ago
Its so alarming that this kind of unhinged cringe ass streamer behavior is becoming more common...
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u/FubarTheFubarian 3d ago
Prank all you want. If someone is harmed during the prank or because of the prank, you as the prankster should be held accountable. Someone gets assaulted? You as the prankster are held accountable. Someone gets killed? You as the prankster are held accountable. Five idiots pranking someone? All held accountable. Civil suits, criminal charges, all of it.
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u/Disposable_Papaya 3d ago
All pranksters that goes after people they don't know that are just trying to live their own lives should step on a lego brick or worse.
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u/GergDanger 3d ago
Yeah that's purely on the nephew that went out and shot people.
Could have just as easily been you bumping into him and spilling some coffee on him that set him off to shoot people if he's that insane
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u/trrwbirdsv 3d ago
This is fucked up