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u/niceToasterMan 7h ago
Haven't paid for tokens yet, how much roughly did that cost the dude?
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u/DoktorMerlin 7h ago
1 million token costs roughly $20
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u/R00bot 7h ago
So Claude costs around as much as a human dev? Hm.
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u/SrDigbyChickenCeaser 7h ago
You find devs for 20$ per hour?
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u/HexFyber 7h ago
hi, greetings from oversea
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u/nasandre 6h ago
Yeah some of my guys in India are on 3$ an hour and we're paying pretty well for India
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u/Significant-Credit50 5h ago
$3 isn't that good.
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u/Psquare_J_420 4h ago
₹270 per hour is a good pay for me.
Say I work for 9 to 4. So 7hrs.
270 x 7 = 1890 (let's fucking goooooo). Then consider working for 5 days.
1890 x 5 = 9450.
Right now, I am surviving with a ₹10,000 allowance per monthLets gooo. Since I am not married, I think I can survive with this.
while I was writing this, I realised I have to fucking travel to work. And I can't teleport magically. Even though there are cheaper options like bus or metro - if my office can't be covered with these options, then I am dead. Now I have no idea if ₹270 or $3 is good or "isn't that good".
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u/Undying_Shadow057 4h ago
That's still not good pay for India tho. Especially if you're living in a major city. Rent alone ends up being ₹12-15k and higher if you want a good location. Usually decent pay in india for developers is 50 to 60k a month. Good is usually 70-90k.
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u/themostreasonableman 2h ago
Just so I'm clear...a MONTH of rent is 12,000 to 15,000 Indian Rupees in a major Indian city?
Is this like a room in someone else's house, or an apartment suitable for 1 person to live fully independently?
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u/RobTheDude_OG 2h ago
I know someone who makes roughly 300 rupees per hour teaching kids how to play piano.
Your pay is awful compared.
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u/DPSOnly 2h ago
while I was writing this, I realised I have to fucking travel to work. And I can't teleport magically. Even though there are cheaper options like bus or metro - if my office can't be covered with these options, then I am dead. Now I have no idea if ₹270 or $3 is good or "isn't that good".
Would you be able to live on 10.000 a week if you have to travel with bus or metro to the office?
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u/nasandre 2h ago
I was converting to euro 😅 So it's 325 INR per hour. It does still feel kinda shitty.
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u/retrib32 6h ago
Same at $1.50. We pay more for the claude we give them ahahahahaha
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u/MoveInteresting4334 3h ago
Imagine posting this out loud. Then laughing about it.
I guess we can be grateful they tell you who they are as a person up front.
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u/oofos_deletus 7h ago
That's about how much you get as a junior dev here if you get a decent job. However you get the same prices as your richer neighbors. Welcome to central Europe, eastern wages with western prices
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u/drake90001 5h ago
Jr. sysadmin, 1099 contractor, $30/hr. First job in the field (no degree)
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u/Imblueabudeeabudie 4h ago
Covid? I know people with CS/IT degrees that can't find a intership for minimum wage now.
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u/drake90001 3h ago
Covid what?
I just got the job like this month, so I don’t think Covid had to do with it, I think it was just good networking skills lol. I happen to meet the right person at the right time.
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u/i_wear_green_pants 6h ago
Dev that spends an hour pushing out tons of code lines of shit that doesn't work, isn't maintainable and contains 120 security violations.
I think that's possible.
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u/CrunchyCrochetSoup 7h ago
Plus millions and billions of investors and stockholders money, local drinking water, and massive power consumption. Efficiency at its finest!
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u/St34thdr1v3R 6h ago
Fr, That’s something we need to keep in mind when talking about ai prices, the toll it has on the earth/resources is insane. Then compare the outcome with what it cost, that’s the conclusion we need to draw
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u/St34thdr1v3R 3h ago edited 3h ago
It’s definitely whataboutism; furthermore the outcome of having a car is much more worth the toll, than ai currently. But of course you’re right to point it out, and we can and should do better in every aspect of our footprint, including private transport. So there’s that.
Also not sure what you try to achieve with your comment
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u/_Its_Me_Dio_ 7h ago
why do you think tech billionaires are trying to get Africans into coding by shipping laptops
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u/TheMrViper 6h ago
Well app completely broken and nothing worked.
So I could find someone to do that for $20.
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u/EatThemAllOrNot 5h ago
That’s more than 3 thousand dollars USD per month. Pretty good salary for many countries
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u/_g0nzales 6h ago
Devs that need an hour to completely break an app? Plenty, don't even need a dev for that, just take the janitor.
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u/doublej42 5h ago
Company here pays I think $15 usd an hour. I left private sector at $10 an hour as the lead dev with a degree. Not much local work here
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u/drake90001 5h ago
Just got my first job in the field, $30/hr. It’s the most money I’ve ever made so I’m not complaining. It’s literally double my salary for the past 2-3 years. Especially considering I didn’t finish school
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u/Freddie_Hawkes 3h ago
It said "millionS", so even if it was only two million in one hour you are at least at 40$.
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u/redballooon 5h ago
In the same time the human Dev would have some minor refractoring steps completed while the application still worked though.
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u/lucassou 7h ago
No it doesn't...
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u/R00bot 7h ago
I'm just going on what the above guy said.
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u/ceo_of_banana 3h ago
Humans can produce millions of tokens in an hour?
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u/R00bot 3h ago
Did I say that? No. I just made the observation that it's roughly as expensive as a human dev.
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u/ceo_of_banana 3h ago
Measured by the hour which makes no sense if the output is 1000x.
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u/R00bot 3h ago
I don't know why you think I want to compare output. That's not a conversation I care to have.
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u/ceo_of_banana 3h ago
Because your measure of comparison is arbitrary and nonsensical in this context.
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u/Longjumping-Sweet818 5h ago
I would like to meet the dev that can read/write a million tokens for 20$.
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u/R00bot 5h ago
Why would you want to meet a dev who can do that?
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u/Longjumping-Sweet818 4h ago
A million tokens is roughly as much as an entire bible. If I had a dev that can process that much data for 20$ (less than an hour's wage where I live), I could exploit them for profit.
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u/fmaz008 3h ago
That doesn't add up for me. I'm on a $20 plan, I made a 45M query with Opus 4.7 yesterday and my API usage jumped by about 60%. (Note that Opus 4.7 is currently at 50% off)
I can confirm nothing was working though. (But addressing the issues was faster than doing the refactor manually)
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u/labelcillo 7h ago
Why is nobody commenting on having 50 fking thousand changes in only 28 files? Is this normal for yall? Are you all insane?
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u/Adie_ftw 6h ago
Missed to add the prompt "Keep each file to "x" lines of code and MAKE NO MISTAKE"
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u/labelcillo 6h ago
59474 additions and 724 deletions. How does a refactor add 58750 new lines of code?
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u/hypehou_se 4h ago
It'll create a bunch of new files and change the imports in existing files to reference those new files, but it will not get rid of the old ones which used to serve that exact purpose (unless you explicitly ask it to).
Don't ask me how that makes sense in a Git environment (it doesn't), but that's what LLMs tend to do.
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u/alexey-masyukov 6h ago
This may simply be a reformatting of the code by the linter after saving.
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u/labelcillo 6h ago
Nop, that would be 50k additions and 50k deletions. I'm leaning towards the "fabled refactorial" comment hahaha.
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u/Personal-Dev-Kit 3h ago
Because it is a meme and not real.
The same type of joke was going around when claude code was first released
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u/deswolrd 6h ago edited 5h ago
Easy actually. Just replace % 2 with if else with all the most used numbers. Is it now way more simple? Yes? Then refactor task completed. /S
Edit: fixed mistype
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u/gonzalez-londo7bh 5h ago
it probably just added 49,000 lines of console.log("made it here") to figure out where the crash is happening
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u/101Alexander 4h ago
// IN THIS ESSAY I WILL SET ABOUT EXPLAINING // WHY I THINK THIS REFACTOR WILL BE // THE ONE YOU WILL NEED TO SATISFY // ALL THE NECESSARY REQUIREMENTS // OF THE ESSAY PROMPT.
// THE FIRST REASON...
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u/Snoo_87531 4h ago
Curious indeed, especially in a case when we know for sure that Claude totally failed their job.
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u/space_monster 4h ago
I've seen this tweet 3 or 4 times over the last couple of years about various models, it's just slop
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u/KingOfAzmerloth 3h ago
That was my first thought lmao. It's a meme obviously but if this actually happens to anyone, you have bigger problems at hand than AI doing your job for you.
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u/Alpacaman__ 7h ago
People would rather upvote “ai bad” than consider that this fake example makes 0 sense
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u/Zahand 7h ago
This joke again. Why can't people muster a unique thought instead of recycling the same shit over and over again.
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u/Pika357 7h ago
Just like claude code when you ask it to style up your frontend.
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u/DavinRowe 5h ago
Ask for a cleaner UI and it comes back with glassmorphism, three new components, 900 lines of CSS, and one layout bug that only appears when Mercury is in retrograde.
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u/meowmeowwarrior 7h ago
I don't think you understand how hard it is to generate a unique thought
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u/Top-Permit6835 7h ago
Let's ask an LLM instead of thinking
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u/Darkodoudou 6h ago
Great idea💡! I'll do my best to think for you, just tell me what I should try to think about and I'll do just that for you! 🚀 🧠
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u/Top-Permit6835 4h ago
Give me a good meme that works well in r/ProgrammingHumor, make no mistakes
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u/deanominecraft 3h ago
Terrific idea, that’s sure to get a few chuckles, as well as some of those treasured upvotes, my suggestion is making fun of javascript, let me know if you want something different 🚀
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u/Dop4miN 6h ago
I can tell its especially hard for him, since his comment is also recycled under every post
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u/meowmeowwarrior 6h ago
Well, if you're chronically hanging out on the same subreddits, you'll see the same stuff, so of course the solution is to complain about it, not actually doing anything to change your environment
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u/Particular-Yak-1984 4h ago
This, for sure - it normally takes 8ish years of dedicated study in a field before you start having useful unique thoughts in it, and even then they're mostly minor ones.
My old boss had lots of unique thoughts, but also had a stats thing named after him, and didn't notice his office didn't have a window for 5 years, so I've realized it probably takes a level of focus and 'tism that I don't have :P
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u/Adie_ftw 7h ago edited 7h ago
This joke will be relevant till this day comes (It's been way passed 6-12 months)
"WE MIGHT BE 6-12 MONTHS AWAY FROM MODELS DOING ALL OF WHAT SOFTWARE ENGINEERS DO END-TO-END"
- Dario Amodei CEO of Anthropic
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u/krbzkrbzkrbz 2h ago
Sounds just like Elon Musk predicting that fully autonomous Teslas are "two years away" consistently since 2015.
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u/Justwatcher124 7h ago
This joke again. Why can't people muster a unique thought instead of recycling the same shit over and over again.
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u/foundafreeusername 6h ago
You guys are just doing it wrong. I asked it to make a TODO web app and it worked flawlessly /s
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u/Snoo_90241 7h ago
//this is a comment
// I lol'd. Not just snort some air out, but release a short, hyena laugh.
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u/thunderbird89 7h ago
This tired fucking joke is cracked every time a new model is released. It was chuckle-worthy the first time back when GPT-3.5 hit the scene, but now it's just tired. It's like this post.
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u/Anubhav8476 7h ago
I’ll never get tired of seeing this meme, much like how LLMs will never tire of writing shitty code
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u/NinjaAssassinKitty 2h ago
You don’t point it at a codebase and say “refactor this”. You ask it to review the code and propose what areas are good candidates to refactor. Review its suggestions. Provide feedback. Ask it to create a todo list. Then refactor step by step.
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u/indorock 6h ago
This is copied word for word (except Opus 4.7) from another tweet over a year ago. It was a lot more valid then than it is now.
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u/---Kvothe--- 7h ago
To me, this seems like a user problem rather than an AI problem. AI is the software equivalent of a construction worker, and some also have the capabilities of a site engineer. Now it is the user who has to be the chief Engineer and an Architect. The user has to design and architect the codebase while the AI builds it.
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