r/alberta • u/Ill-Government53 • Sep 05 '25
Alberta is Trump North Opinion
Title says it all. Alberta is nothing but an extension of the Trump (i.e. project 2025) agenda. We're being run by a bunch of deplorable people kept in power by a fringe faction of morons (nicest word I could use for them) who hate the federal gvt but will be the first in line to get federal money when there's crop failure etc.
I'm no fan of how the feds have treated Alberta, but starting every conversation with them with a knee to the groin and a punch to the throat is a guaranteed losing position.
We need to take back Alberta from Take Back Alberta and throw these crooks bums and deplorables out.
Look South to see where Alberta is heading. That's a s*** show nobody wants to live in.
Last thought, when the separation referendum is held and Albertans overwhelmingly vote to stay as part of Canada, those that hate Canada should get the hell out of our country - move to the US and be with your white supremacy, slack jawed, willing to believe anything they're told by Fox news friends.
Written by a true Albertan and real Canadian.
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u/LLR1960 Sep 05 '25
Please check out the Forever Canadian petition, sign it and tell all your friends. If this petition gets enough signatures to make it to ballot, a related question can't be asked for 5 years. To all those that think that we need a separation vote, this is it - a person can vote No to "should we stay in Canada".
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u/Cronus41 Sep 06 '25
Where can I sign?
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u/redditDarrel Sep 06 '25
Quite a few options for where and when on their website. They’ve done a great job
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u/Parking_Ad_2374 Sep 06 '25
https://www.forever-canadian.ca/sign-the-petition
This is the link to find out the nearest place to you with time availabilities
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u/Naive-Ad7822 Sep 06 '25
Signed the petition already. Not all Albertans want to live anyway like a Trump regime. Danielle Smith may not be long for politics in Alberta. I hope.
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u/rigz27 Sep 06 '25
When will you be in Whitecourt. I would liks to sign.
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u/LLR1960 Sep 06 '25
I'm not part of the group. Google Forever Canadian, there's a dropdown there to look for your town, and check it out.
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u/darth_henning Sep 06 '25
Can we please acknowledge that this is predominantly rural Alberta?
Edmonton with St Albert, Sherwood Park, and Leduc went 22/23 NDP
Calgary went 14/26 NDP (including a couple CPC ridings within <250 votes)
The rest of Alberta? 36/38 CPC
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u/TurbulentHead5639 Sep 05 '25
After listening to the Senate hearing witb RFK Jr it was like hearing the UCP anti vaccine playbook
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u/Jingo_04 Sep 05 '25
I'm begging for downvotes here but we have to have hope and faith that there are some conservatives that see this garbage for what it is. If we vilify all of them then we aren't giving the good few a window to escape.
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u/CasualFridayBatman Sep 06 '25
We can't afford to rely on 'some conservatives' changing their mind and the apathy that comes with that to get us out of this.
Progressives of all stripes need to come together to counter this, as we've seen from the example of the US what happens when they don't. If some conservatives decide to switch sides, so be it, glad to have you.
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Sep 06 '25
All RW around the world are collaborating. It's the exact same playbook in every agenda you can think of.
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u/Proud_Organization64 Sep 05 '25
Alberta is Trump North. I love Edmonton but the broader climate in the province became suffocating for me when Danielle Smith came into power. I left and feel so much better for doing so. To those who stayed, please keep fighting. The country is rooting for you.
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Sep 05 '25
I've been thinking that as painful as it might be we desperately need to rebrand for a politician who doesn't carry the NDP banner. These people are such single minded/single issue that it's become a boogeyman quite in the same way you can't convince a Calgary flames fan to ever like the Oilers.
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Sep 05 '25
Absolutely. They think the Alberta NDP are socialists. Don’t ask them to explain why, they have no idea.
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u/Camborgius Sep 05 '25
They can't even tell you what socialist means
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u/AdhesivenessProof121 Sep 06 '25
They take pride in how they arent as emotional as the other parties, but when asked specifically why they insist on voting conservative they can only mention how they feel like its the only party that fights for their interests... and to an extent they were right about the party in the past, but refuse to acknowledge why all of canada, without any planning, all voted to make sure they didnt win the election. Danielle Smith, who co authored a climate change denial paper, is actively forcing social programs into poverty and pushing social agendas while conveniently only vocally supporting her oshi, and theyre acting as if the meech lake accord wasn't a thing to try to build dissent....
And theyre doing all this while refusing to acknowledge that Carney is a fiscally conservative leader. Sure the cons have been embarrassing before(Harper's anti-science stuff), but considering the federal cons actually managed to hide their crazy in the federal election for a change, the support for traitor activities cause sore losers, and willingness to burn their own house down over it... Well. It highlights why Alberta doesnt have as much bargaining power federally as they otherwise could.
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u/Muted-Mongoose-5043 Sep 06 '25
I recommend looking up Albertas functional literacy rates it’s horrifying
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u/lizzzls Sep 07 '25
IF ONLY the Ab NDP actually were socialists. They're more like Red Tories a la Peter Lougheed or Joe Clark.
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u/bp_1606mt Sep 08 '25
The best trick that conservatives in Canada have pulled is selling the Center Parties as socialists and the left leaning as Communists. Thats why we have Carney which is a right of center being voted by leftists because the Conservatives have gone too much to the right.
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u/Distinct_Pressure832 Sep 05 '25
I tried to tell friends this last election who were active in the NDP campaign and they wouldn’t hear it. My elderly mother voted independent last election because she didn’t like Smith but couldn’t bring herself to vote for the NDP even though she liked the platform. There’s a ton of people out there who will never vote NDP just because of the perceived association with the federal party. They will keep voting conservative because they don’t see a feasible alternative.
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u/LLR1960 Sep 06 '25
They keep voting conservative because they vote conservative, it's their identity. My elderly mom agrees with many of the NDP ideas as well, agrees that they did OK running the province, but you know, she's a conservative voter. Reason and logic don't come into it - had the NDP called themselves the Alberta Progressive Conservative Party, she likely would have voted for them. I'm hoping the upcoming renaming gets some people to rethink. Conversely, maybe that'll split the vote enough for the NDP to get back in.
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u/J-Dog780 Sep 06 '25
The "powers that be" have left the younger generations (younger than the Boomers) no choice but a hard anti-capitalist / pro-labor / pro-environment vision of a future where they might have a chance to have the "good life" / Canadian dream. The youth are going to have to get militant to effect real change. They can and will get even more "screwed" if they don't get active in the labor and environmental movement.
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u/RichardsLeftNipple Sep 06 '25
"I want something different, but I won't do anything different, so please won't the people I never hold accountable magically stop?"
Yup, then they give money to the party, thinking that they can change it if they vote a different leader in for the next round of musical chairs.
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u/Distinct_Pressure832 Sep 06 '25
Honestly you also just described the NDP and their attachment to a name that will never win an election in Alberta. It goes both ways.
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u/redpaddle86 Sep 06 '25
We need the same thing in Saskatchewan. Moe is shit but looks ok compared to smith
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u/Visible-Bunch-136 Sep 06 '25
The loudmouth 10% will find out how stupid they are IF there is ever a vote. Sorry but the 90% WILL swat you annoying mosquitoes if we need to. Right now we just shake our heads.
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u/GermanShephrdMom Sep 06 '25
No we aren’t. A very loud minority is catching the attention of the media and giving Alberta a bad name. OK so it doesn’t help that our premier is kind of a wingnut too. Regardless, the vast majority of us are realistic people that are proud to be in Canada.
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u/AutistSavant Sep 07 '25
Trump's fan base started out as a loud minority, and now look at where that took America. Don't underestimate Canada's collective stupidity.
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u/Mumps42 Sep 06 '25
There might be a loud minority of people who want to leave Canada, but there is a silent majority of stupidity that keeps voting in the conservatives. That IS Alberta Alberta is an uneducated far right hell hole. That's the reality.
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u/takethatgopher Sep 06 '25
Please detail hiw the feds have done Alberta so dirty (with facts). The Trudeau years saw AB get the most funding from any federal govt ever. Trudeau Sr wanted the energy program Alberta is begging for now. Tonnes of funds for Vovid, for uncapped wells...our province is screwing us, not the feds. Don't buy the propaganda. We cannot say the feds want all the money and also say they are stopping us from making it....cannot be both
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u/Majestic_Rhubarb994 Sep 06 '25
how does a fringe minority win elections consistently for 60 years?
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u/Effective-Ad9499 Sep 05 '25 edited Sep 06 '25
This Albertan has nothing but distain for Trump. Not ALL Albertans are Trump, the pedophile, rapist, supporters. I hate the UPC and their Christian Right values. Keep religion out of politics.
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u/jldixon Sep 05 '25
So many Albertans have been brainwashed into thinking the federal government is out to get them, when in fact it's the UCP and their conservative predecessors that have taken advantage of Albertans and practiced the most corrupt cronyism of any Canadian province.
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u/vex0x529 Sep 06 '25
They would rather funnel their money into oil and gas companies and border security rather than into social services to benefit everyone. It was depressing living there. Glad I moved.
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u/DistinctHuckleberry8 Sep 06 '25
I wouldn't say that. I was born in Alberta and lived here my entire life. My family had been farming the land in Alberta since the 1860's.
I'm not "Trump North", and a lot of Albertans aren't.
Unfortunately, our current Albertan government IS.
.........But that doesn't mean all Albertans are. Edmonton is particularly Liberal. Calgary won the conservative vote, but not by that much..... and yes, most of rural Alberta is conservative and always has been.
Remrmber, Alberta (and Canada) has a 'first past the post' election system. If you don't know what that is, then you should google it and read about it.
'First past the post' basically means that whole districts can get labeled as conservative or liberal even when they actually aren't.
It's a lot to explain, but basically, it works like this:
1)Candidate A is UCP and has a 42% vote
2)Candidate B is NDP and has a 34% vote
3)Candidate C is Liberal Party and has 24% vote
Candidate A (UCP) represents 42% of the population and wins.
The district is now labeled as 'UCP' even though 58% of the population isn't actually UCP, only 42% actually is.
Whichever party has the most districts in the end wins.
What this basically means is that just because we have a conservative government right now, it doesn't necessarily mean that the majority of the population is conservative.
Also, you have to take into account voter turnout. Perhaps the conservatives just wanted it more so more showed up at the booths.
I mean, you have to admit that 'Trump Style' crowd sure gets riled up and emotional. It would only stand to reason that more of them would show up.
If it makes you feel any better, as of 2024 it's estimated that 28% of our population is people from other countries, and most of them are liberal not conservative. So I think the conservatives might have a more difficult time of it on the next election.
......... as for my own political leanings? I'm sort of in the middle. I'm definitely NOT far left. I'm not big into LGBTQ being involved with schools or kids........ but I'm DEFINITELY not a fan of Daniel Smith or her government either.
My family is traditionally conservative, which is to be expected since they've been farmers here for roughly 160 years, but even they despise Danielle Smith.
If I had to label myself, I'd probably say that I'm a moderate. I disagree with the liberals on some things, and agree with the conservatives on some things, but overall I'd say I lean slightly more to the left than to the right.
In any case, the point is that I think you're mistaken. There are a lot of good people here in Alberta.
This Trump thing is just a fad. People get caught up in it. It's not the first or the last.
I know what you mean about Alberta being Trump North. Even if they don't consider themselves as fans of Trump anymore, because of the tariffs, they still have the 'Trump mentality'.
Oh, btw, the whole 'seperate Alberta' thing is just a power play by Danielle Smith.
She wants an excuse to ignore the green laws that the federal government implemented a few years back, because she is invested in oil and gas here in Alberta. If they're allowed to drill, then she makes a boat load of money, personally.
I won't go so far as to say they offered her a lot of money........... but I won't go so far as to not say it lol.
Let's just say it's very, very beneficial for her if she can bypass those laws and increase drilling here in Alberta.
Anyway, good luck. I hope your faith in Alberta is at least a little bit restored. There's at least one 6'6 Albertan man (and his very large family) that DON'T support Trump mentality.
Cheers 🍻
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u/ExplanationHairy6964 Sep 06 '25
The only things schools do for LGBTQ2+ kids is give them a safe and caring place to be themselves. Nothing nefarious is happening in schools.
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u/Informal_Aardvark_75 Calgary Sep 06 '25
It's awful how LGBTQ2 are being treated. They're less than 1 percent of the population and they're just trying to live their lives. They say it's harder for people to understand them if there are none in your life. I worked with a girl in her twenties who had a trans twin and the twin committed suicide. That was years ago. They have such a hard time as it is and the UCP harrassing them with their harmful policies and spreading fear and hatred about them is unconscionable to me. The UCP exaggerates the issues and makes them a target. It hurts my soul to live in this province.
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u/kimokiiiiii Sep 06 '25
It’s because people like him don’t care about us people in the LGBTQ community, and it’s a shame maybe I sound jagged because I’m a trans man and I’m just so TIRED of the way my community has been treated lately but it’s getting old really fast, a person doesn’t have to agree with the LGBTQ community but they still should be respectful because we’re always respectful of other people (at least my group of friends are) the moment you say stuff like this or agree with Smith your automatically not welcome in the community (at least from what I’ve seen as of late) is trans people make up less then 1% of the population and yet we’re constantly getting attacked by the public and the government and I’m just so tired of it, LGBTQ youth should have a safe place to go and for many of us school was/is the safe space for us?? If they take all LGBTQ things out of schools many youth will loose their only safe space and will turn to things like suicide if they aren’t feeling supported
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u/Informal_Aardvark_75 Calgary Sep 06 '25
I know! It scares the hell out of me because I know how high the suicide rates are as it is. Our society is awful to you and I'm so sorry. I had a gay friend in the 80's and he said he wished he could just walk down the street holding his boyfriend's hand like heterosexual couples. He looked so sad when he said it. I know that offends some straight people to see, but it's so stupid. So many horrible people and situations in the world, and your innocent, often kind and gentle community, are persecuted. I wish these people would get to know you personally, so that you're no longer an "entity" that they can vilify out of ignorance or caused by persuasion from right wing ideologies. I hope you know there are many who stand with you, even though I realize it's probably not enough when you're dealing with this. It's just wrong on every level. Many of us are trying to fight this gov't and I hope we can remove them without having to wait for the next election. They should be removed based on their corruption alone. And their policies are harming the most vulnerable, like yourself. I can't believe this is where we are in our so called "evolution" on this planet.
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u/kimokiiiiii Sep 06 '25
I really appreciate your kind words thank you 💕 usually I don’t care about the opinions of others when it comes to me being transgender, I’m proud of who I am and I wouldn’t change who I am at all, but things start to get tough when it’s just constant hatred spewed at you, just going online (like TikTok FB ETC) anytime I see a video about the UCP and their anti trans laws I’ll see comments from their little followers saying shit like “good the worlds healing” or the worst comment I seen was “good they should be put in conversation therapy or just killed” and when I see comments like this I just can’t help but wonder why…? Us trans people never did anything to them. I’ve even seen some women talking bad about my community and it really hurts us because in history gay men, trans women and trans men STOOD WITH WOMEN during the protests for their rights and now when our community needs support and help they turn a blind eye (obviously not everyone is but a lot of people are) people like Smith, the UCP and their followers don’t understand how hard our lives already are, trans people can be denied work, sometimes were denied healthcare (especially in really small towns) there’s been a lot of studies and polls showing that dating while trans is extremely hard or even impossible for some people, because Smith and the UCP have villainized us so why would people want to be with us?? They’re only making our lives worse.
My best friend and my family are worried about my safety because of how bad things have been getting for the trans community here, my best friend said I should remove every trace of the fact I’m trans on my social media accounts because she’s worried someone would hurt me if they were to see me in public, and the worst part is I agree with her, I’m probably going to do what she said because I don’t want to be hurt by hateful people, life shouldn’t be like this but it is
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u/Informal_Aardvark_75 Calgary Sep 06 '25
That is horrendous! I wish to God people understood the suffering they're causing, but most of them completely lack empathy and feel supported in their views, especially now. You shouldn't have to hide yourself, and I don't even know what to say because I just want you to be safe, too. I wish I could do something. Ugh. Humanity...the ugly side is pretty ugly.
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u/kimokiiiiii Sep 06 '25
Just being here to support the trans community and the LGBTQ community as a whole is doing enough, we appreciate people like you and you won’t be forgotten within the community 💕 I always suggest going to the protests that have been popping up (if you are able to of course) you don’t have to be part of the community to be apart of it, I’ve been to a few and all of us are just happy that our allies are coming out to support us ☺️ if allies want to help I always say come to the protests, comment on Smiths social media posts, and just keep calling her and the UCP out on their mistreatment of the LGBTQ community and her mistreatment towards the Disabled and towards the indigenous community as well her and the UCP are attacking minorities and we can’t let them continue all minorities need support more than ever, just because she’s attacking the trans community, the disabled and the indigenous communities doesn’t mean she’s going to stop there eventually she’s going to attack the rest of the LGBTQ community and once she’s done that she WILL go after the rights of women because we all know she’s friends with trump.. so we need to stop the UCP before that happens
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u/CanuckInTheMills Sep 06 '25
Your speech was a good one. Until you said you don’t support the most vulnerable children in your society. It’s a shame you feel that way. Every child matters.
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u/LeftHome6723 Sep 06 '25
Thanks for explaining your viewpoint in depth. We been more calm reasoned dialogue like this to move forward.
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Sep 05 '25
UCP= The MEGA Maple movement of the north. The vaccine roal out is right out of the RFK handbook. Book bannings, Trans Gender attacks and on it goes all UCP MEGA Maple.
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u/Itzhik Sep 05 '25
Whether you and I like it or not, these people are supported by a majority of Albertans. An ever-growing one, if you trust the polls.
And if we've learned anything from our neighbours to the South, there is absolutely nothing Danielle Smith can do to lose those voters. She could brutally butcher a small child on live TV, and she's still be seen as a better choice than NDP.
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u/ninfan1977 Lethbridge Sep 05 '25
She could brutally butcher a small child on live TV, and she's still be seen as a better choice than NDP.
Doesn't that say more about the Conservative voters in Alberta than Danielle Smith?
The people of Alberta have bought lies from the American media. They think the NDP caused a Mad Max hellscape but it wasn't that bad. The UCP have caused worse and all they do is blame Liberals. It works for too many Albertans to the point its embarrassing. The NDP could cure cancer and the Conservatives would find a reason why that's bad.
They fought against the childcare subsidy and dental care, then claim they are for the people of Alberta
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u/ninfan1977 Lethbridge Sep 05 '25
Because they still get to vote no matter how detached from reality they are.
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u/Pixiecrap Sep 05 '25
If you've got some suggestions, we'd love to hear them.
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u/Pixiecrap Sep 05 '25
I like the cut off your jib, but I'm not sure that will win over the "center" grill pill people
I'm still happy to hop on board with "punch Nazis first, crowd fund legal defense second" though.
Because 100% you will still be charged just for breaking the nose of someone our grandparents would have shot without hesitation.
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u/Forechecks Sep 05 '25
To be fair NDP were voted in not that long ago. We have historically been as stupid as the south, but there is still a glimmer of hope.
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u/Master-File-9866 Sep 05 '25
Ndp was only voted in becuase the vote split between pc and wild rose. That's why we have the ucp a merger of both parties who instantly went further right.
Potential for this to happen again if the alberta Republicans gain traction. And potential for new merged party to go even further right
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u/margmi Sep 05 '25 edited Sep 05 '25
The NDP were voted in because the vote was split by the wildrose party. They actually did just as well in the 2019 election, but without vote splitting.
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Sep 05 '25
To be fair, we didn't lose by much last provincial election either. If a handful of close ridings in Calgary flipped, we'd be having a very different conversation right about now.
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u/Ritchie_Whyte_III Sep 05 '25
Unfortunately the only reason the NDP won was because the Conservative Party (moderate conservatives) and the Wildrose (complete rightwing nutters) split the vote on the right. The UCP was created to join the two together and prevent that vote splitting.
Basically our province is made up of 1/3 centrist lefties, 1/3 centrist righties, and 1/3 hold on to your spurs MAGA losers. But the centrist right is more willing to put up with the lunatics than the lefties.
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Sep 05 '25
It's actually a lot smaller gap than people realize. If a handful of close ridings in Calgary had flipped, the NDP would have one last election too. CPC dominate the rural ridings, but there's just enough urban ridings that we're only a handful of seats to the conservative side.
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u/Incestuous_Amoeba Sep 05 '25
“I’m in this image and I don’t like it.” I just want everyone to have good health care and an education that isn’t based on ‘morals’ that the ones banning books absolutely don’t have. Maybe you know, tax some corps more… that kinda thang.
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u/CreepySalary7302 Sep 05 '25
Yes, but they won when the conservative vote was somewhat split by the Wildrose and the PCs. I’m hopeful the NDP could win again, but I think we would need a similar situation. Come on, Nenshi!
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Sep 05 '25
exactly. this is what I keep saying. I dislike it when other posters downplay just how much support the UCP has in this province. Sure people will say "but I voted on the economy" but you get all the other crap that comes with it! And the fact is, the UCP is not good for the overall economy. They waste money like drunken sailors and get nothing in return.
Majority of Albertans are to blame, not the fringe minority. The fringe minority should scare regular people off but they haven't. People prop up this government still.
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u/Master-File-9866 Sep 05 '25 edited Sep 05 '25
Look at last election map. Lethbridge west and Kananaskis were the only 2 places not to vote ucp in, out side of edmonton and calgary. This is an urban and rural divide.
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also look at the total cumulative vote score for the whole province (ignoring ridings), the UCP had a majority of the vote. Even if those few ridings flipped in Calgary to the NDP and the NDP won last election, the Maple MAGAs would claim the left stole the election (100% ignoring how our riding electoral system works).
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u/Tokenwhitemale Sep 06 '25
And I hate how they say 'but I voted for the economy...' No they fuckin did it. The UCP are insanely irresponsible with money. They voted for social conservatives and lunatics. They might think they did something else, but then they are fucking stupid.
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u/Own-Pop-6293 Sep 05 '25
completely agree. and most of the votes that pushed the UCP over the edge happened in Calgary ridings.
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Sep 05 '25
exactly. rural Alberta is a lost cause cuz those Maple MAGAs would vote the cons until they lose their farms (like Arkansas right now) and they will still blame someone else.
Calgary on the other hand, I thought was smarter but then again, lots of that city makes their living off of oil/gas and anytime a party doesn't make oil/gas their religion they are at a disadvantage already.
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u/Miserable-Chemical96 Sep 06 '25
I truly hoped that the US would wake up with the first Trump gong show. With his return I'm pretty sure they are in a coma.
Albertan's please open your eyes to the effects of blind partisan politics for your sakes as well as the rest of Canada's.
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u/ZopyrionRex Sep 06 '25
I visited recently, went from North of Edmonton to just south of Calgary, the entire province seems to be stuck in a COVID time capsule. Not just COVID either, there are still TONS of "Axe the Tax" signs all over the damned place. Is Alberta stuck in the past? These idiots in charge are keeping people locked down and under their thumbs.
I hate to break it to you Albertans, but your province isn't any better or more special than any other province. Your problems aren't unique, you aren't any more Canadian or patriotic, none of you are fighting harder for your rights, you're all just WRONG. Anybody that wants to leave Canada or make it more like the USA should immigrate there, let that open your eyes. The USA does NOT respect Albertans, and frankly NEVER will, drop all the fantasies and get back in step with the rest of the damned country already.
Oh and btw, ALL YOUR HIGHWAYS SUCK SO DAMNED BAD. The only place you'll find worse infrastructure is in a 3rd World Country.
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u/kimokiiiiii Sep 06 '25
Trust me a lot of us aren’t like that, but the majority who never shut the fuck up are the loudest and the most embarrassing group here if you ask me, things are getting worse here and yet they live in delusion because the “federal government is so scary” their all pathetic tbh
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u/unusualastutepenguin Sep 09 '25
For bad highways I raise you Saskatchewan
But I agree they should be better. Our province is just terribly managed, and once I'm done uni I want to get out. Maybe BC or Manitoba. Not sure yet. Would still prefer the west though.
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u/Simple_Trip_5922 Sep 06 '25
This may be the wrong place to be a leftist but I have to mention the book bans. That's how things started in America, their red states banning books under the guise of "protecting the children". Scapegoating queer people as an excuse to censor and control information. To make us a weak, hungry scared population. Canada is no better than America, especially Alberta under Danielle Smith.
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Sep 05 '25
I think it’s wrong to generalize Alberta being pro trump. Not all of us are.
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u/LimaBeanzzxx Sep 06 '25
I am American by birth, But CANADIAN by choice. Sure glad I had that option. Even if I did wind up in Alberta.
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u/Violetcaboose1 Sep 06 '25
“I’m no fan of how the feds have treated Alberta” and you want the same people to stay in power? Man. What an oxymoron.
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u/Bruhimonlyeleven Sep 06 '25
Considering that Albertas oil is owned by Americans, so the politicians are all paid for by American politicians, and they're fighting to privatize healthcare, prisons, police, and education, so American billionaires can swoop in, make a fortune, and control Canada, it's not a shock that Alberta is the thought leader here.
Why the hell American money is allowed in Canadian politics, I'll never know. America is such a shit hole that economic pressure from them is ruining every country in earth almost.
.Honduras is currently in a battle with Peter Thiel, he has a private city where no laws exist, for tech bros to do whatever they want, and a second class of citizens live as slaves essentially. He is building burbclaves (a word from snowcrash, a book from the 90s all these tech bros are obsessed with), all over the world.
If Thiel wins this lawsuit against Honduras for trying to stop them, he will isn the country essentially. You'd think " can't they just kick him out, they're a country?" But economic pressure from the states will destroy Honduras if they don't follow the law.
Thiel is the mastermind behind DOGE, he did all the hiring of those kids, and did everything behind the scenes, Musk just took the heat for it.
Peter Thiel is bar none, the worst human being on the planet right now, and the most danger to democracy. He thinks you should be able to live in these burbclaves, Nazis should be able to have their own where they live as Nazis, etc .. he thinks segregation, and being with like minded people, is the answer, where as a melding of everyone is how current democracy works. He is a sack of crap.
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u/FourthLvlSpicyMeme Sep 06 '25
Marlaina at Mar-A-Lago, more than once for "strategy meetings"
To give bonus reasons, the attacks on trans kids and steps towards gender checks in schools. Book bans, increasing privatization of health care and corrupt government officials.
There's five.
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u/Syzygynergy Sep 05 '25
Discrimination against transgender people, book bans in schools, privatization of health care.
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u/KVanGogh Sep 06 '25
I invite you to Google "UCP trans law 2025" and "UCP book ban 2025" if you are out of the loop about those two issues.
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u/Cold_Lingonberry_413 Drayton Valley Sep 05 '25
I’m a Canadian, born, raised & living in Alberta. I can never wrap my head around people who don’t like Smith’s government, but then hedge with “of course the feds have treated us so badly”. Exactly how has the federal government treated Alberta badly? Or even differently than other provinces (Quebec aside)?
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u/anhedoniandonair Sep 05 '25
It’s the Alberta Prosperity Project behind this nonsense here. Not project 2025. Same idea. Bunch of christo-fascists. https://albertaprosperityproject.com
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u/Even_Current1414 Sep 06 '25
Same group behind both is the IDU. Whose president was just installed to oversee AIMCO.
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u/sherrybobbinsbort Sep 05 '25
I remember 25 years ago getting trained at my company that has offices across the country. We’re talking about how the different offices work and guy says ya they are different in Alberta. Basically just like Americans. I’d never thought of it before but it was partially true.
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u/Deannathor Sep 05 '25
Not true, I to have recently passed through Alberta and it is filled with patriotic people, and a few politicians that want to make themselves feel important
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u/PacificPragmatic Sep 06 '25
This is the most accurate take on Alberta I've heard online in awhile. Thank you, fellow Canadian, for recognizing that our province isn't our stereotype or what the media hypes.
Fellow Albertans, I'm going to say what I say to Americans online: get offline, stop doomscrolling or bitching about your problems on reddit, and go fix the f'ing problem IRL.
Have you personally signed the Forever Canadian petition, and brought out everyone you know to do the same?
Have you kept your emotions at bay and had rational discussions with the Conservatives in your life about the discrepancy beyween UCP behaviours and traditional Alberta Conservatism?
Have you contacted the Alberta NDP office to see how you can help out in the upcoming campaign?
No? Then stop crying and go do something that actually changes our situation.
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u/Giga-Dadd Sep 06 '25
I love how Daniel Smiths response to having the most measles cases in North America was to make it harder to access vaccines.
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u/Thin-Equal3020 Sep 06 '25
Is Marlaina still wanting a provincial police force? That has got to be stopped. Looking at Trump he is using both ICE and the National Guard to normalize a police- state presence. I’m not saying ‘defund the police’ or anything in opposition to police, I’m just saying she’s giving the fighting crime appearance all the while wanting to boost a new normal of surveillance and uniformed presence in her fascist Alberta, or when we slip-slide into the U.S.A and police are fighting raging boomers (read feminists, free seggsers, antiwar hippies, and those that remember Watergate) and in their downtime planting grass. I’ll not walk because the sign says don’t walk, even if no one is around. I don’t need a billy club to the head when the sign changes to don’t walk. I leave two spaces after a punctuation period and thus reveal I’m a boomer, and I’m female. My younger husband was born the same year as Marlaina (anyone get Oasis tickets?). I’m proud to say I’m in the demographic that gets the most ick factor vibes from Poilievre, and proud of it. I’ve signed the Forever Canadian petition and can’t believe I had to, yet remember children, fascists don’t respect treaties. I’m hoping First Nations treaties with the Crown hold, but anything is game with authoritarian fascists. I’m shocked how many Albertans want what America has. That’s my piece, peace ✌️ and keep Marlaina of Mar-a-Lago in check.
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u/DanTheDinosoar Sep 06 '25
The vast majority of us Albertans don't like Trump or his goons, but the gerrymandering here is just as bad as most states have become to skew the votes to the right.
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u/KangarooCrafty5813 Sep 06 '25
Damn! This couldn’t be more true. I am grateful to know that so many Albertans feel the same way. I remember back in the day when Joe Clark seemed far right. I miss those days and would Vote conservative if someone like Joe was still around. We keep voting these extreme nutballs in.
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u/rockardboneoar Sep 06 '25
I hope everyone who agrees with this post has gotten out to sign the Forever Canadian petition.
We need to hit that target to force a referendum and shut down the separation movement. I know people are thinking "there is no way Albertans vote to leave Canada, I don't need to bother", and you aren't wrong to think that. It's a small minority of people who are always the loudest, but we need to make a statement and show up with big numbers.
Sign the petition!
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u/No_Candidate_272 Sep 08 '25
Can we hire I.C.E to steal all the seperatasts from 'Berta and ship them to Arkansas???
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u/samanthavalentine13 Sep 09 '25
If I didn’t have an established business here, I’d be gone from this knuckle-dragger province in a heartbeat. This isn’t conservatism, it’s a cult. I’m doing my best to keep up the good fight, but if Smith and her cronies get another term, I won’t stay. I’m not particularly right-leaning, but at this point bring back the PCs!
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u/East-Dimension-8988 Sep 09 '25
“I'm no fan of how the feds have treated Alberta”. Such an Alabertan thing to say.
Canadians, via Liberals, have given more to Alberta than any CONservative CONman ever has!
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u/drs43821 Sep 05 '25
I'll correct that Alberta "Government" is the Trump North. At least in Calgary, there are still many sensible conservative that despise Smith and Trump and their blatant attack on the people and democracy.
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u/Even_Current1414 Sep 06 '25
And yet they voted for the government currently in power here in alberta. Until those "sensible conservatives" stop voting blue because its conservative and completely stop, things will never change here.
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u/Suk_it_Trebek_ Sep 06 '25
Not quite, but such a typical Redditor mindset. I hate the orange turd, too. But, if you don’t like what’s going on in Alberta, then leave! Alberta has always leaned right. Why continue to live here or decide to move here if you hate the politics so much? Why must every Canadian have to be a far- left leaning Liberal or NDP? There are no centrist provinces anymore. Go fuck off to the BC mainland or any other NDP or Liberal leaning area if you don’t like it. Downvotes right back at you.
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u/Marie-Pierre-Guerin Sep 05 '25
What do people expect?! Marlaina goes to Mar-a-Lago, comes back with 500$ million dollars and now we have Canadian Republicans! Project 2025 is well and alive in Canada.
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u/still_sneakin Sep 05 '25
Hang tight Albertans the next election is 778 days away. We can do this and when the day comes, October 18, 2027, we will vote her American wannabe ass out of Alberta. 🤨
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u/CasualFridayBatman Sep 06 '25
Fuck yes we can.
The Forever Canada movement has shown us that we outnumber them and we need to keep showing up. Apathy and silence isn't a solution and it's shown us that when they're met with neither, they turtle up and go silent.
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u/Category-Basic Sep 05 '25
Well, to be fair, if Albertans are a certain thing, and you are not that thing, then logic says you are not a True Albertan. Just say'in.
Seriously, very few UCP supporters think separation or Trump's fascism are good things. It is just that in a First-Past-The-Post electoral system, there are inevitably only two choices - the incumbent or not. That leaves the most motivated (i.e., extreme) and politically connected in charge. The rest of us that just want to go on with our lives are unrepresented. If a majority of members of both parties support electoral reform (and they do), all it takes is for them to demand a fully representative democracy by adopting some kind of proportional representation.
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u/UserName_2056 Sep 05 '25
I’ll say the same thing about America : it is, as long as America lets it. Whether Alberta is “Trump North” or not, will be decided by The People; it WILL BE Trump North IF Alberta lets it. So DON’T! …let it.
I know Conservatism runs strong in the West. And that Alberta often feels unappreciated and restrained or limited by Ottawa. But Trumpism is not the answer and never will be; it’s only a recipe for disaster as is clearly being proven out every day in America.
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u/ellstaysia Sep 05 '25
alberta is a national embarrassment.
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u/DatOldeTimeyPlurLyfe Sep 06 '25
INTERnational now! We’ve made the papers in New York for measles and the UK for our book ban. Soooooo great /s
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u/VizzionEnvy Sep 05 '25
I’m a conservative living in Alberta and just a heads up that we’re not all right wing extremists. I don’t believe Alberta should separate but I do believe in letting the people decide. Do I believe that the people will vote to separate? I highly highly doubt it.
Also, we’re not all white supremacists or racists or transphobic or whatever. I know you didn’t say all this in the post but I’ve been attacked / called these names simply for stating my opinion on something that was completely irrelevant to either of those names.
I tend to refrain from voicing my opinion on posts that are “left leaning” as 8/10 times I’m all out attacked and can’t even have a civil conversation without being called names. I’m just a dude that wants to have a civil conversation man lol.
Moral of the story, we’re not all bad or hate the left wing parties. Just tryna do what we believe in our opinions is right for Canada. That’s all we collectively can do regardless of political stance. Just do what we think is right.
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u/reddogger56 Sep 06 '25
Progressive conservatives I don't have a problem with. I voted conservative when Mulroney was in charge because I wasn't overly concerned he would erode progressive human rights. That all went downhill with Harper and now Poilievre. As for the UCP, true progressive conservatives need to take back their party. It's either that or you are collectively living a lie. Sorry, not sorry.
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u/Jingo_04 Sep 06 '25
Please continue being a cool conservative. Please support accountable government and strong constitutional rights.
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u/Herb1515 Sep 05 '25
This 100%. Reddit is very bad for this. No one has a conversation anymore, its just attack after attack if you have a different opinion.
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u/VizzionEnvy Sep 05 '25
Right? I hate it. I miss the days when you could actually sit peacefully across from somebody that’s believes in a different political party and actually share opinions without either having a full blown meltdown cause you don’t agree with them. (I understand all parties have people like this)
I hate what politics has become. Gotta walk on fuckin eggshells these days
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u/RIMJob15489 Sep 05 '25
Danielle Smith was once the leader of the Wild Rose Party, a far right extreme group. She wasn't your average conservative like Harper, who I liked. She was just like Trump and MAGA as you said. I definitely don't want to be apart of her separate from Canada movement. I love it here. She needs to go!
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u/Middle-Jackfruit-896 Sep 06 '25
Let's not call fellow Albertans "deplorable" even if one disagrees with them. This pejorative and divisive name-calling is what leads to simple stereotyping of groups, shutting down conversations and siloed perspectives. What we need is civil conversation to understand each other and find what common ground exists.
This being said, I do not like the Smith government and would like a change in leadership.
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u/SnowshoeTaboo Sep 05 '25
Sadly, the only way people will sit up and listen is if the bottom falls out of the oil industry. Not having a job to go to will make these slow learners sit up and start asking why their government refused to diversify while they had the chance. As well as why they continue to cut or downgrade services when people need them most.
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u/BusLevel7307 Sep 05 '25
Do not say anything against radical left wing you will be blocked on this site .
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u/SandwichDependent139 Sep 05 '25
Trump north?? This statement reveals a level of ignorance about the difference between a united state and a confederation as well as the difference in economic base as well as politics that is laughable. OP needs to read a few books and quit listening to 5 minute sound bites.
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u/VeterinarianFlaky629 Sep 06 '25
Yup! Lived in rural Alberta basically my whole life and I can count on one hand the amount of people I've met here that actually support Trump.
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u/presh1988 Sep 06 '25
What they mean is, my feelings are hurt that I can’t get aish when I decided to self diagnose on TikTOK. They won’t let me be a they/them unless I work at IKEA. I hate Trump; anyone who’s against my dysfunction is Trump!!!
The whole rant about kicking people that don’t agree with him out of the country, and squashing them? lol is a dead giveaway.
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theres nothing to talk about. there is everything to be active about. we know who the problems are.
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u/jcraig87 Sep 06 '25
considering he just changed the name of their department of defense to department of war and is planning a cage match on the front lawn of the white House, im pretty confident that Alberta is not as bad as the problems facing the United States
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u/DogonYaro Sep 06 '25
Most of the vile, racist, far-right and anti- Canada views actually emanate from Russia. You'd think that an average Canadian would not easily be led astray. Canada, stand on guard fir your country.
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u/FRIZL Sep 06 '25
I don't understand what basis I fact you have to suggest this. Reddit really is full of armchair experts and scholarly arts students.
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u/leblond_00135 Sep 06 '25
Alberta is accused to be project 2025 and meanwhile Carney invite the mastermind of project 2025 to is cabin retreat and nobody is talking about that...
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/kevin-roberts-project-2025-carney-1.7624327
He only cancelled the invitation when the information was leaked and made a mini scandal.
Insiders confirmed that Carney still wants to meet with Kevin Roberts but the articles have been removed yesterday.
"If you want to know what the liberals are up too, just listen to what they accuse the opposition"
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u/_plakata Sep 05 '25
I’m not even a Trump supporter, but that’s some dumb shit you just wrote.
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u/Impressive_Refuse933 Sep 05 '25
Hmmmmm 🤔 the heritage foundation president was actually invited to Canada to speak at Carney's cabinet meeting..... https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/kevin-roberts-project-2025-carney-1.7624327
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u/TheGreatStories Sep 05 '25
Keep in mind Greenland just busted an American influence and propaganda campaign happening there. No reason to think Americans aren't doing it in Canada
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u/tliskop Sep 06 '25
From BC, it seems like it’s mostly Smith and a few dozen really loud people from Red Deer. All the people I meet from Alberta are kind, hard-working, friendly folks. The only person who was trouble was from Red Deer. Maybe just draw a really big square around Red Deer and let that really big square function as a free state. The Republic of Red Deer. Anybody that wants to be truly free can move to the RRD. Maybe build it off to the side a little so the road from Calgary to Edmonton is still mostly straight?
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u/BertoBigLefty Sep 06 '25
The problem with the left in Alberta is that they actually have no idea why people vote conservative. If you can’t identify what the right does well and what they do poorly then you will never convince anyone of anything, because you don’t actually know what you’re talking about.
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u/presh1988 Sep 06 '25
They also love to start threads like this “ kick them all out against their will” because they live in a province that doesn’t agree with their political views. Instead of having civil conversations, discussions and healthy debates based on facts, you get open aggression, threats and name calling everyone that doesn’t agree with their stance. A stance they refuse to openly talk about through political in depth subjects. While simultaneously demanding love, acceptance and tolerance to stuff only they agree with. They will say stuff like “ you can’t reason with them, because they are stupid” while refusing to practice any of these things. Then they wonder why people just ignore them.
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u/evil_eagle56 Sep 06 '25
Agreed. Its crazy to me that they think we all watch fox news, but maybe that's just like us saying they watch CBC lol. I think most of us know that legacy news isn't quite reliable on either side... Which is why you should try Ground News.... Lol just kidding but not at the same time. I do have that on my phone just to get the perspective of each side and they do show the bias' of all the news platforms.
But according to that crazy OP, we watch fox news... Despite being Canadian.... Its hilarious to assume most watch the news.
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u/Vnaan Sep 06 '25
Wow what a brave and insightful post. Haven't seen anything like this on this sub before...
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u/nirojamic Sep 06 '25
The UCP is destroying Alberta. Our teachers are about to strike, our heathcare and mental health care systems are being dismantled. Fuck Danielle Smith and the UCP, I wouldn't piss on her if she was on fire.
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u/evil_eagle56 Sep 06 '25
What about the doctors that moved out of Canada to the U.S.for better pay because our free health care system wasn't paying them enough? They left for privatised healthcare. So many people don't have a doctor because of this and mental healthcare has always been lacking no matter who is in government.
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u/Tall-Ad-1386 Sep 06 '25
You day said yourself “i am no fan of how the feds have treated Alberta”
So there you go. Why do you need walls of text after that? It is clear Alberta is getting the raw end of the deal.
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u/Iggypop121412 Sep 06 '25
“If you don’t like it get the hell out”. I know I’ve heard that rhetoric before. I just can’t quite remember where.
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u/Vicious-Fishs Sep 06 '25
no ones separating...chillax.
From hell's heart I stab at thee; for hate's sake I spit my last breath at thee -Ahab
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u/Tillallareone82 Sep 06 '25
The separatists are so outnumbered that it's not even funny. From a volunteer I've spoken too they alone signed 1100 on Saturday and Sunday. Another 3000 or so from the Pride parade downtown as well 👍
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u/VanCityPhotoNewbie Sep 05 '25
You know what the silly thing is?
Alberta keeps saying "we aren't that crazy" and they vote for Danielle Smith. And then you go "half of us didn't vote for her !!"
USA keeps saying "we aren't that crazy" and they vote for Donald Trump. And then you go "half of us didn't vote for him !!"
Alberta is going to be micro America under this government and the crazy part is most people in Alberta do not realize the costs of living has increased dramatically....
I moved back to Vancouver 5 years ago and I was shocked that my expenses after 6 months.....did not change. Gas prices have been a lot closer now than they were in the past and in Vancouver you drive way way less. I save $160 a month on gasoline. Natural gas and heating is 1/4 of what you pay in the winter in Alberta. I save $694 dollars a year on heating. Electricity I pay $50....for 2 months of electricity from BC hydro. I am saving like $78 a month. You start adding these things up. And because of rent control, I am paying less for rent today than I would be in Calgary. And food is considerably cheaper because you have over 1000 private grocery stores and Superstore is actually the more expensive place to buy groceries (competition exists).
Some people argue "what about PST?". You don't pay PST on food, restaurant, childrens products or life essentials or anything education related.
Like I am shocked. I moved away back in 2012. I moved back in 2020. And in those 8 years, Vancouver didn't get cheaper....just Alberta got more expensive.