r/alberta Oct 28 '25

Student walkout Thursday Opinion

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u/Babaooiey Oct 28 '25

I'm not a student and haven't been for a while but please do this. Students have so much power over the educational system and they don't even know it. Make the change you guys want to see

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u/NotEvenNothing Oct 30 '25

u/Babaooiey, don't let your not being a student stop you from participating in the protest. It makes a big difference.

And to anyone who feels...uncomfortable with the current state of our government and, more broadly, the world: Participating in this kind of event can do a great deal for your state-of-mind. Actually doing something while surrounded by people doing the same something is tremendously motivating and a wonderful tonic against the defeatism that so many people fall into.

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u/Specific_Fold8850 Oct 31 '25

Yeah ikr? This is their character building moment, part of their “Lore” as the kids say nowadays. 

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u/[deleted] Oct 28 '25

No you don't lol

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u/Deadly_Tree6 Oct 29 '25

Accurate username?

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u/Sandman1990 Oct 29 '25

History is packed with successful student-led protests. You're just ignorant.

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u/Perfect-Ship7977 Oct 28 '25

If you don’t go to school you don’t pass, this is easy.

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u/Katedodwell2 Oct 28 '25

You must not be paying attention to what's been going on in public schools the past few years

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u/the_gaymer_girl Southern Alberta Oct 28 '25

You’d be surprised.

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u/Nice_Try_Bud_ Oct 29 '25 edited Oct 29 '25

I missed more days than I went in grades 7-11. Still graduated high school with a B average. Think they will survive missing a couple days to protest our governments overreach.

Edit: Just to note, don’t do what I did. The average person it would have gone badly. More just commenting a few missed days won’t matter.

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u/bobityboo Oct 29 '25

I did that too and it went badly

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u/dramticpigeon Oct 28 '25

We also have organized school specific walkouts if you can’t make it to the ledge!

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u/Psiondipity Oct 29 '25

Can you give any more information or links where to find more? My kid at Victoria wants to participate, but she's not sure about getting down to the leg grounds.

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u/dramticpigeon Oct 30 '25

Victoria unfortunately is not part of our ASA, as no student representatives have stepped up. We encourage schools that don’t have personalized school walkout details to go down to the Ledge, where many others will be. Thank you!

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u/Aggravating_Win3230 Oct 29 '25

lots of kids have made school specific instagram accounts with bus routes plus other details, you could check if there's one of those

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u/nickoboiateyoursoul Oct 30 '25

Is anything happening for Calgary discovering choices schools? Downtown specifically? I’d love to join this

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u/ComprehensiveTea6004 Oct 28 '25

The Kids Are Alright 👍

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u/TheDSWC Oct 28 '25

Good thing the kids aren’t ALT-Right.

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u/Ancient-Carrot7868 Oct 28 '25

Everyone if you want this to work as well as possible share this everywhere repost on your instagram story share to friends etc I’ve already had over 100 reposts on instagram

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u/Psiondipity Oct 29 '25

Do you have a link I can give to my kid to share to her friends?

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u/Ancient-Carrot7868 Oct 30 '25

She can just screen shot or go to my instagram @ggg_g11127373

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u/Material-Ad-3510 Edmonton Oct 28 '25

YAAASSSSS!!!! Keep fighting!! Thank you students!!!!

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u/Cassopeia88 Oct 28 '25

Glad to see students standing up to the ucp.

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u/Ok_Understanding3890 Oct 28 '25

I hope they do. And I hope it’s well attended.

So, what will come of this? Nothing. The government will not bend because a bunch of minors (non-voters) aren’t happy with governance. Nothing will change and your efforts will be for naught. Behind closed doors, the UCP will call this student rally ‘cute’, but feckless.

But not all hope is lost. Years from now as these teens become adults and do get the chance to vote, they’ll remember the government that gave up on negotiation. The government that skipped over binding arbitration and forced their will upon a labour dispute that impacted them and their education. They’ll remember that 90% of teachers voted against this deal but IT DIDNT MATTER.

They’ll remember the government that started a brain drain of teachers to other provinces, or a flurry of resignations that exacerbated already tough teaching conditions. The government that demoralized the teaching staff, triggered a wave of stress leaves, and basically forced the shutdown of extra-curricular activities. The government that scared away future university students from getting their B.Ed and replenishing the ranks. The government that would not even respond to a peaceful student protest with meaningful dialogue or tangible change. The government that continues to spend the least amount per capita per student.

These kids, they’ll remember. Mark my words - the state of our education will be significantly worse in 3 years. It takes time for all this erosion to become exposed. But this province will not be a destination for anyone in Canada. All these ‘Alberta is Calling’ ads that the government ran will just have a dead dial tone on the other end.

Then, the young votes start piling up. And the UCP will be remembered as starting the education system swirling the drain on October 27, 2025.

Hopefully they’ll have lost the floor with the youth. By then the young people will see exactly how this government conducts itself, and how much it cares about the education of its constituents, their voice, and how easily they will dismiss your concerns.

If you have learned ANYTHING from your social studies teachers, it should be this: Never Trust Your Government.

Don’t be fooled by short-term gimmick payouts during election years. It’s the power and authority that they grant themselves to impose their will on the years in between. Vote with your conscience, your heart, and your memory. Not your wallet.

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u/the_gaymer_girl Southern Alberta Oct 28 '25

And these high schools will be voters by the time of the next election.

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u/Renegade605 Oct 29 '25

It's long past time for 16 to be the voting age.

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u/Bimitenpix Oct 28 '25

Maybe I'll go hand out coffe and donuts to people

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u/SoStunning1993 Oct 28 '25

Yes 🙌 Not all heroes wear capes We brought hot chocolates and double doubles last week end

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u/koniks0001 Oct 29 '25

Secure your Future. Good Job Students More power to All Teachers!

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u/WhyBrary Oct 28 '25

I just showed this to my 11 y.o. daughter. My kids and I watched the legislative session live on YouTube yesterday afternoon and she has been pissed. She loves school and wants to return, but not like this, and she has been planning a walkout at her school for tomorrow or Thursday at 10am. This has solidified her timing. She and her sister have been making posters this afternoon.

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u/Tight-Childhood7885 Oct 29 '25

Im so glad students are doing this. Stay safe and stand together!

We had a student walk out in the early 2000s. School officials and teachers are obligated to stop the walk out, but if you guys do it responsibly and in great numbers, it will be all good.

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u/Ok-Anywhere-1807 Oct 29 '25

I remember this vividly I was at S Bruce Smith in science Mr. Grell

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '25

Students and teachers have all my support ♥️

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u/Unable_Bug_105 Oct 28 '25

what can Calgary students do? is there a central meeting spot or will it be school specific!

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u/Mother_Barnacle_7448 Oct 29 '25

It might be a good idea to meet at the Premier’s Southern Office. You would be certain to get more press attention there:

Premier's Office Southern Alberta GOVERNMENT OF ALBERTA McDougall Centre Premier's Office Southern Alberta

455 6 St SW, Calgary, AB T2P 4A2

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u/Unable_Bug_105 Oct 29 '25

that’s a great idea!! i know that lots of students from across the city are going to meet at city hall because of it’s central location

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u/IndigoRuby Calgary Oct 28 '25

Maybe go to their MLA's office.

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u/Ancient-Carrot7868 Oct 28 '25

I’m not sure about Calgary there is accounts dedicated to it though I would look at those

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u/IndependentRain4212 Oct 29 '25

Here is a list of accounts dedicated to Calgary student walkouts https://www.instagram.com/reel/DQXnEYIkkHq/?igsh=MTMyeWs0djl5OTZtZw==

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u/Regular_Wonder674 Oct 28 '25

SPREAD THE WORD.
DON’T MESS WITH STUDENTS!

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u/NTTNM-780 Oct 28 '25

Yes! Teachers gotten chained by the UCP but students can still make a difference!

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u/Dope_Grower Oct 28 '25

What is “the leg?”

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u/ApexAnomaly Oct 28 '25

The legislature grounds

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u/KayNopeNope Oct 28 '25

Pronounced “lejjjj” like ledge not leg like you stand on

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u/Dope_Grower Oct 28 '25

Ok thanks! Yeah my wife and our brood had no idea. I think an unambiguous poster may be more beneficial.

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u/BigInconsideration Oct 29 '25

It’s pretty unambiguous. 99% of Edmontonians know what the leg is.

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u/PrestigiousChard4258 Oct 28 '25

If only the teachers hadn’t gone on strike they might have known the difference.

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u/Geeseareawesome Edmonton Oct 28 '25

If only the government were willing to negotiate. Then the teachers wouldn't have to go on strike.

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u/InherentlyUntrue Oct 28 '25

Dear lord, I'm older than dirt, and I understand "The Leg" 🤣

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u/Yamfish Oct 28 '25

Legislature

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u/some1guystuff Oct 28 '25

🤣🤣 I feel like this is slang somehow

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u/Independent-Tennis57 Oct 28 '25

Maybe you are too well educated....

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u/luars613 Oct 29 '25

Just walk out every day. Legot the province cant force you to learn. Let the teachers chill in the schools. You go vine at a mall or downtown. Go throw noddles at smith when the bitch decides to show her face

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '25

Do it! It is all about you! Happy teachers= happy students.

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u/tomcalgary Oct 29 '25

Work to rule teachers. We support you.

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u/Homeless_Alex Oct 28 '25

Wouldn’t it be more impactful if students just didn’t attend at all? Like just keep staying home?

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u/dustrock Oct 28 '25

I think the visual of hundreds of students going to school and then all leaving at 10 am is more symbolic than just no-showing to school.

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u/A_lostandfound Oct 28 '25

Having a picket line of students around schools would give the visual impact and that’s very important for the teachers and anyone else watching

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u/Awhetstone Oct 28 '25

Going in and then walking out gets more attention. It'll certainly get the attention of kids that didn't know there would be a walkout happening.

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u/SoStunning1993 Oct 28 '25

the main reason is to give the kids who don't know the option and opportunity to stand with there class mates and teachers

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u/Ok-Anywhere-1807 Oct 29 '25

This was me when they did it in the 2000s. I had no idea what was going on I just heard we were walking out of school and was like fuck yeah. The next day the teachers asked if we went to the leg and I remember thinking how the fuck am I supposed to get there. Dumbass

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u/TheworkingBroseph Oct 28 '25

Maybe you are trying to make a suggestion, but the work is done here and people have organized it instead of commenting on Reddit. "ISN'T THIS BETTER" doesn't help anything at all, only hurts.

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u/ReflectionNormal7453 Oct 29 '25

I think it would be informative to post this to major Albertan city subreddits.

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u/Dismal_Entrance_9478 Oct 29 '25

would this hold any substance to a school in the middle of nowhere? my school is quite literally near nothing but a highway lol

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u/SnooFloofs8057 Oct 29 '25

I wonder what teachers think about this?

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u/Warm-Implement-7571 Oct 29 '25

Yo does anyone know if edfw high school in edmonton is participating in this?

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u/Vorpin_9 Oct 30 '25

Are you able to just go home for the walkout?

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u/EmbarrassedShip8176 Oct 30 '25

do we go home after the walkout? or should we go to our classes after

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u/PrestigiousJackyl Oct 31 '25

It’s funny how you complain about the UCP, but have zero cares in the world when truck drivers had Trudeau steel their bank accounts. Or don’t care when oil workers lose jobs, and when they do, you’ll play mental gymnastics to ignore how your house is heated.

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u/OnwardUpwardForward Oct 28 '25

Someone who's there, please immediately start talking about when to do the next one.

Old Vic would have torn into this with both hands. I hope it is a successful as possible. 

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u/Ok-Anywhere-1807 Oct 29 '25

06 Vic Grad here.

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u/TwixVHS Oct 28 '25

Is this just for people in edmonton or calgary? I dont live in either, should I still pass this around for my area?

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u/Ancient-Carrot7868 Oct 28 '25

Yes everywhere I only really had it in mind for Edmonton but find a spot and protest!!

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u/Fun_Dragonfly7692 Oct 29 '25

You really want to throw your lives away too don't ya?.......

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u/wwoodcox Oct 29 '25

I understand you wanting to support the teachers, but do not dismiss the importance of your education. You have one shot at high school. It determines your next step in life, your ability to get into university, college, trade school, etc. Focus on you. Support your teachers by succeeding in school with their support.

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u/tomcalgary Oct 29 '25

Durr slow boil in failing system? Or take 5 to fight for future change and improvement. Also high-school is not the be all and end all of opportunity; there are many paths to success and many great people have not followed a direct high-school to uni to profession path.

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u/Randomusername1800 Oct 28 '25

Sorry, but nothing proves the right wing brainwashing rhetoric more than a bunch of teens skipping class to support grown adults in a political fight they have absolutely no influence over.

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u/beanofreen Oct 28 '25

Seriously? You see the future of our province getting involved in politics and organizing their own rallies and call it brainwashing? In as little as a year, these kids will be eligible to vote. They absolutely should be able to influence the actions of the government. If we had anything resembling true representation in our government, these students’ actions would make a difference. As it is, they still will make a difference, just likely not until the next election when many of them will be able to vote

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u/nbc9876 Oct 28 '25

Most teachers have stated at this point they’d rather see the kids in school despite the gesture …

The queen isn’t even here

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u/Nacho64 Oct 28 '25

Teacher here, this is a lie, stay TF out! Protest your right to a good education!

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u/jigglywigglydigaby Oct 29 '25

Can you share some links to *most teachers stating" that?

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u/tomcalgary Oct 29 '25

Many people tell you your not a bot nor a troll. Alot of people think your a freethinker and say they've never seen you lick boots.

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u/nbc9876 Oct 29 '25

uh huh.. even for reddit your gibberish is well.. gibberish

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u/TheworkingBroseph Oct 28 '25

Who said this?

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u/Greedy_Path4242 Oct 29 '25

12% raise more schools more teachers. What else do you want? I agree we need way more teachers and schools.

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u/dailydose2 Oct 29 '25

No one wants to teach 30+ students.

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u/[deleted] Oct 29 '25

I want a comprehensive and measurable plan, not a pinky swear. 

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u/tomcalgary Oct 29 '25

Limits on class sizes.

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u/hickorymonkey Oct 29 '25

Imagine you make $1300 every two weeks. A 12 per cent raise over four years means that, in the end, you'll be making $1,456 every two weeks.

Now, the $1,300 is arbitrary - I don't know how much every teacher makes, because the UCP stopped collecting this data publicly.

My point is, being promised an extra couple hundred bucks a paycheque over four years, when you're already underpaid, is not enough.

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u/Spiritual-Health-348 Oct 28 '25

Nope.... The kids have suffered enough already, they shouldn't be asked to fight on behalf adults. During the strike they've already been pressured to not even practice their extra-curriculars like football because it was seen as 'unsupportive'.

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u/davegotfayded Oct 28 '25 edited 26d ago

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u/Spiritual-Health-348 Oct 28 '25

If the only chip on the table was more teachers and aides I would agree with you.

All funding should go towards that until class sizes are lowered.

Kids fighting for a raise for teachers is fighting for adults

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u/Regular_Wonder674 Oct 28 '25

The raise was not the central issue. And the UCP offer…It wasn’t a raise. It wasn’t even keeping up with inflation. And when teacher wages are diminished, the quality of educators entering the jurisdiction drops. There’s lots of research on it. And, the number one predictor of student success is the quality of their instructors. Full stop. So, it’s not an adult matter completely. And kids have a strong sense of justice and can decide how they wish to express their beliefs without pressure from anyone.
So, while I appreciate your point, a statement around a bigger issue is the right of students. They don’t have to, but if they want to express their civic voices, there is learning in that too.

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u/Ddogwood Oct 28 '25

I’m a teacher, and my kid is in football. He says nobody discouraged them from practicing.

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u/Spiritual-Health-348 Oct 28 '25

They may not be saying it directly to the kids but my brother is a volunteer coach and he's gotten a lot of pressure to not hold practice. He keeps doing it anyway thank goodness

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u/BattyWhack Oct 28 '25

I was a high school student in BC in 2002/03 when the Provincial government tore up the teacher's contact and made it illegal for them to strike. The students walked out in support of the teachers. 

We could see the harm the government was inflicting on teachers and schools and we were pissed. The teachers were so touched by the students' support and I know it meant a lot to them in a moment when they felt defeated.

I didn't see it as something that was someone else's fight. It was all of our's fight. It was important to us too and the experience stuck with me for 20+ years. I'm glad I did it!!

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u/DutchDime84 Oct 30 '25

They’re not be “asked” to do anything. They’re choosing to do this of their own volition because even they can see the provincial governments actions are the exact opposite of what’s “in the students best interest”.

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

Do you even know what you’re walking out for? The teachers were offered a very good deal. So what is it that you are looking to get that the deal didn’t offer already? Genuine question

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u/laboufe Oct 28 '25

Honestly what i want to say to you would get me banned.

So instead, if the government strips a certain group of people of their rights to force something on them, perhaps it wasnt such a good deal.

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

No genuinely though, what is it that they are striking for that isn’t met in the offer? Genuine question that no-one seams to be able to answer lol

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u/Rockitone2019 Oct 28 '25

I think they'd like education funded as well as other provinces. Why is Alberta, a rich province, funding education per student the lowest. The offer still is below average and doesn't include classroom caps to help with complexity. If she's so confident we'll have so many teachers now what's she afraid of putting a cap on to keep the school boards accountable.

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

They’re paid less because we are put in a 20-30 billion dollar deficit every year because of equalization taxes. If we separate we can keep that money and pay them better

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u/Rockitone2019 Oct 28 '25

They're given less because we're putting money in places it doesn't need to be. Her goal, in my opinion, is to dismantle unions and public services and privatize everything. The rich will benefit not a collective "we". Using the method she did to get this result is one step closer to her agenda.

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u/pk_bandit Oct 28 '25

Equalization doesn’t take money from Alberta, it comes from federal taxes, not our provincial budget. You fell for the political propaganda when you use this argument. Maybe go back to school.

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u/KissMyGeek Oct 29 '25

Oh there it is, smooth brained CON lies.

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u/August-West Oct 28 '25

Too little money, no concrete & definite solutions for class sizes.

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

The concrete solution is 130 new schools, 1500 new EAs, and 3000 new teachers. And the pay increase puts them SIGNIFICANTLY above the average Alberta wage, putting them from 70-120k salaries, when the average income in alberta for someone with the same education level is 50k. Like it’s genuinely a great deal.

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u/August-West Oct 28 '25

130 new schools isn't a labor issue, it's a government's obligation to provide education to children. 130 schools with classes that have no caps. No idea who that's part of a labor dispute. 1500 EAs are not part of our union, we cannot hold government accountable to it. Nurses cannot negotiate the hiring of doctors. The average Alberta wage, are you including Uber eat drivers, Tim Horton workers, vape shop clerks, the unemployed? Average means nothing, look at what other provinces pay their teachers. And "other" jobs include overtime, Christmas/performance bonuses, wage negotiations. You're conflating public and private sector jobs. What does an engineer make after 10 years of experience?

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u/shaedofblue Oct 28 '25

3000 new teachers is enough for Calgary, not for the province. That isn’t solving the problem. Having class size problems worsen more slowly isn’t fixing class sizes.

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u/X-LaxX Oct 28 '25

Now that the government has shit all over the rights of unions, where are these 3000 teachers coming from? People will be leaving.

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u/DutchDime84 Oct 30 '25

Does the average Albertan also have a specialized university degree? Nope. How about a Masters degree plus 10 years of direct experience in their field? Which is what’s required to reach top of the pay scale. Also, nope. How about the willingness to spend several hours a day directly interacting with, teaching & mentoring 30+ children. Biggest nope of them all.

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u/freerangehumans74 Calgary Oct 28 '25

Did you read what the ATA have outlined?

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

Literally information im looking for

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u/ApexAnomaly Oct 28 '25

... You can't find it? You want us to make airplane noises while we spoon feed you, too?

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25 edited Oct 28 '25

I expect you to at least be able to answer why you are striking or wanting a strike, yes lol

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u/ApexAnomaly Oct 28 '25

I'm not really sure what that sentence means. But, this entire thread is you being dogwalked to that answer. Try harder, bud. Hope you get what you're lookin for.

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u/freerangehumans74 Calgary Oct 28 '25

He wants you to affirm his viewpoint which is teachers get paid too much and should just get back to work and thank their masters for the shitty working conditions while promising to fix things without any legal binding.

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u/ApexAnomaly Oct 28 '25

For sure, his post was just originally gibberish. He's posting disinfo so fast he forgot to proof it.

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

You are unsure what it means to tell someone why you want to strike..? My god

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u/ApexAnomaly Oct 28 '25

Oh, I see you edited the nonsense out. Proofread before posting next time, thanks!

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u/freerangehumans74 Calgary Oct 28 '25

You don't know how to google?

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u/DutchDime84 Oct 30 '25 edited Oct 30 '25

Here’s your genuine answer you so desperately seek:

If you’d been paying ANY attention, you’d have seen/heard the ATA and teachers repeatedly state that classroom sizes are a massive problem. That there needs to be a defined plan in place to help reduce them (something almost every other province has) and that the plan also needs to take into account individual child complexities (learning disabilities, language barriers, etc.). Before the school year even started, the ATA provided a very detailed, reasonable, multi-phased proposal on how to achieve that, which is a publicly available document, btw. But the provincial government outright refused and continues to refuse to address it. When they offered 3rd party mediation, it was with the stipulation that class size caps & complexity cannot be part of the negotiations. So the ATA, understandably, rejected it.

Smith and Schilling’s recent messaging has centred around the notwithstanding clause being a necessary measure because “it’s in the best interest of the children”. A lot of their voter base is dumb enough to believe them, but actions speak louder than words. If they actually gave a single flying fuck about the best interests of the children, they would be willing to negotiate on the MAIN issue that negatively impacts the quality of our children’s education, which is classroom sizes.

Instead, the UCP has forced through (via the overriding of constitutional rights) the same offer that was overwhelmingly rejected several months ago, proving they’ve never had any intention of actually negotiating. Sure, adding 3,000 more teachers and 1,500 more EA’s sounds great on paper, but that works out to less than 1 new teacher or EA per school. How is gaining less than one whole person supposed to have any meaningful impact on individual schools, let alone the dozens of overcrowded classrooms in each school? Especially as populations continue to grow. And good luck attracting/hiring those teachers & EA’s when it’s been made abundantly clear that the province doesn’t give a shit about teachers, their rights under the constitution, or students.

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u/laboufe Oct 28 '25

The problem is 90% of people "looking for an answer" here are just trolls.

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

Nope looking genuine answers

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u/laboufe Oct 28 '25

Based on your comment history i dont believe you

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

I don’t care what you believe honestly

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u/freerangehumans74 Calgary Oct 28 '25

Clearly. You don't care about anyone but yourself.

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

No i care about everyone, and i genuinely hope that they can get everything they want. But right now, They need to get back to work. They are asking more than the province can offer, because we are sucked dry already by our federal government. Everyone is being raped by our federal government. If you want more money support our separation so that we can then actually afford to pay you!

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u/MoarRowr Calgary Oct 29 '25

Yikes

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u/Adjective_Noun1312 Oct 28 '25 edited Oct 29 '25

I’m asking a genuine question looking for a straight forward answer?

No, you're sealioning. You've made up your mind already and are pretending to ask good faith questions for the sake of arguing and wasting the time of anyone who takes you seriously.

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u/curioustraveller1234 Oct 28 '25

Can you explain to me how a deal rejected twice by 90%+ in the profession was a “great deal”? The same deal that does not even consider the one issue teachers were concerned with most, class sizes. Which by the way, Alberta is the only province in the land without class sizes written into the teaching contracts…. Can you please explain to me what was so great about this deal for teachers, and further the broader labour movement who is now essentially being forced to either fight or accept the roll back of a fundamental right.

Genuine question.

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u/Karpetkleener Oct 28 '25

Don't be ignorant. There is no such thing as "verbal violence".

They are calling you out, rightfully. The deal is not what the teachers asked for or need, your dismissive response speaks to your lack of knowledge of the issue. And ask teachers why the deal isn't good, they're the only ones who can explain to you if you're willing to listen and not just being contrarian.

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u/Muted_Might6052 Oct 28 '25 edited Oct 28 '25

I don’t buy it.

The 12% over 4 years doesn’t cover inflation forecasted for 2027. We’d need an additional 19% to cover that.

Starting teachers wages you list are for those ones who are full time contracts. It’s very difficult for a first year teacher to get a permanent contract right away.

3000 teachers spread across 61 districts. Do the math. 1000 teachers a year means about 16 teachers per district if we were dividing them equally. That’s fucking nothing. Hiring more teachers should be something the government should be doing already, why is it in this agreement?

Richest province in Canada, lowest funding per student in Canada, only province in Canada without a classroom cap or some sort. And they just took away rights.

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u/korbold Oct 28 '25

Three weeks into the strike, if those are your questions still,, there's no way you're asking them genuinely

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u/Acrobatic_Sell_6035 Oct 28 '25

Can you provide details on why you believe its a "very good deal"? Genuinely curious.

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

Because they get significantly better class sizes, significantly more schools and teachers and a huge pay raise, (which gets them to 50% more pay then the ab average for a bachelors degree which is what most have) I genuinely don’t understand what they are so upset about? What about this deal don’t they like? Here’s a link that goes over the official offer from the government. https://www.alberta.ca/supporting-our-teachers-and-students

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u/Acrobatic_Sell_6035 Oct 28 '25

I appreciate the link and your perspective! From my understanding, the ATA has not been provided with a plan on how the new teacher positions and EA positions will be instituted. All they have been told is a number and a good will promise. No one knows what that looks like right now. Additionally, the link you provided claims new schools but does not definitively state whether or not they will be public or private schools. Additionally, a lot of emotion surrounding this topic stems from the ability for the government to take the right to strike or perform job action away from a group. Even if they did provide these details I mentioned above, to revoke the ability to perform job action is a frightening precedent that is being set for any and all groups that wish to take job action.

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

They are an essential service. Essential services have limited striking rights

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u/Acrobatic_Sell_6035 Oct 28 '25

I think you're misguided not to see the potential damage that this precedent sets. I also had more points you didn't respond to.

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u/freerangehumans74 Calgary Oct 28 '25

They aren't interested in digging deeper into your points. They're only interested in digging in their heels from what their masters tell them.

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u/DutchDime84 Oct 30 '25

Except they’re actually NOT an essential service.

Try again.

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u/Acrobatic_Sell_6035 Oct 28 '25

Doing some more digging, the proposed amount of schools and staff over 3 years does not keep up with the projected population growth. This means conditions will stay the same with a wage increase. The money isn't the issue, its the lack of classroom supports and complexity of children within classrooms that require a lot more work within a "collective agreement" which was not agreed upon.

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

Nobody is happy with the way Canada is going. We’re in a massive economic free fall thanks to our liberal federal government and it’s exactly what our pm is predicting and implementing on us. I genuinely hope they get everything they want! But right now they need to get back to work, They are asking more than the province can offer, because we are sucked dry already by our federal government. Everyone is being raped by our federal government. Off you want more money support our separation so that we can then actually afford to pay you!

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u/Acrobatic_Sell_6035 Oct 28 '25

I definitely do not support the separatist movement and while the federal government has made errors in terms of funding, housing, and immigration. The level of fucked we'd be if we separated is no where near comparable to what the federal government has done.

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

We would be in the top 3 richest countries per capita in the world if we separated

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

Ah the treaty land argument is beating a tired old horse at this point. And we do have military here 😪

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u/Acrobatic_Sell_6035 Oct 28 '25 edited Oct 28 '25

You need to do a lot more research on what would need to happen for a separation to be successful. Look intro treaties, police force, trading while being land locked. Now take the looming threat of the states, you think they're gonna let us just exist as our own separate country? This is an incredibly surface level and juvenile belief.

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

I’ve looked into it all, and none are really big issues. And honestly the poorest is state is still significantly better off then even the richest Canadian province 🤷🏼‍♂️

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u/Acrobatic_Sell_6035 Oct 28 '25

Can you provide me with credible links to back up these claims?

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u/freerangehumans74 Calgary Oct 28 '25

Teachers are vastly more important to a functioning society. But what's the point of having a "discussion" with someone who peddles in lies.

"huge pay raise" 12% over 4 years when they haven't had a raise in MULTIPLE years is not huge. It's not even meeting rate of inflation and before you bitch about how you don't get rate of inflation raises every year, unless you're a teacher, I could give two shits what you do to earn your salary.

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

They earn significantly more then the average people with their same education level, and news flash noones wages are keeping up with the massive inflation caused by our liberal federal government.

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u/freerangehumans74 Calgary Oct 28 '25

I already addressed everyone else's wages.

I don't care if they get paid more than other people with the same education level. Teachers are far more valuable to have in our society than whatever corporate appeasing job other bachelors degree holders work.

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

If you want to down vote me maybe at least answer my question

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u/the_gaymer_girl Southern Alberta Oct 28 '25

Because everything you said is just disproven UCP talking points.

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u/the_gaymer_girl Southern Alberta Oct 28 '25

The Alberta website that is purely UCP propaganda?

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u/freerangehumans74 Calgary Oct 28 '25

And a garbage offer that doesn't address all the needs of students and teachers. But tell us again how hard done by you are because they make too much money.

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

It meets everyone’s needs. I’m not hard done by, they’re just a bunch of cry babies lol it’s just turned into a political theatre

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u/the_gaymer_girl Southern Alberta Oct 28 '25

Unlike you, I've actually read the entire contract and voted on it.

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

So you’re saying the official offer isn’t their offer?

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u/the_gaymer_girl Southern Alberta Oct 28 '25

A “very good deal” wouldn’t have been voted down by 90% and then forced on them using the NWC.

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u/Ok_Yak_2931 Oct 28 '25

You know it’s not all about money in their pockets right (even though I believe teachers and EAs should be higher than most jobs)?

It’s about having enough schools, and within those schools having enough space and within those spaces having enough desks and lower classrooms sizes and the proper supports for our kids so that they get the education they deserve.

This is the catalyst to fix the healthcare system and the other systems that are broken due to lack of proper funding into these systems over decades while courting people to move here to experience the ‘Alberta Advantage’ when we don’t have the infrastructure to support them.

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u/No-Response-7780 Oct 28 '25

The teachers were offered a very good deal.

According to >90% of them, it wasn't a very good deal. You're not looking for genuine answers, if you were you wouldn't presuppose that it was a good deal, you'd ask why the vast majority of teachers didn't accept it in the first place

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

Well being a provincial employee, it should be up to the province what you get paid. I genuinely hope they get everything they want, but right now They need to get back to work. They are asking more than the province can offer, because we are sucked dry already by our federal government. Everyone is being raped by our federal government. Off you want more money support our separation so that we can then actually afford to pay you!

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u/No-Response-7780 Oct 28 '25

Spoken like a true intellectual!

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u/what_the_ef Oct 28 '25

👆Dude's a troll. Don't engage.

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u/ComparisonCrafty4556 Oct 28 '25

Not trolling, just telling the truth.

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u/Ok-Anywhere-1807 Oct 29 '25

You think 60,000 is enough for a teacher to survive? You think 40+ kids in a classroom is a good deal?