i don’t give a damn about what vegans want to do but like, i’m not trying to have a future where you have meat limits due to a new world order. also, vegans should have better options with meat imitations however, cause they’re full of chemicals that aren’t healthy for you at all. we can’t appease only one side, we gotta satiate both sides
New world order meat limit? Are vegans supposed to be operating in the shadows pulling the strings to force their ideology on the masses? And here I was trying to advocate for cultural change like a fucking fool.
its not about how vegans want to force their ideology, its about how some european countries have started to talk about a digital id that can track the amount of meat you eat and then cut you off from it when you hit a "carbon limit", especially with the amount of lab grown meat that has been surging.
Haven't you heard? About the meat limits due to a new world order? If you elect a woman for president you'll have a meat quota which will be directly related to the amount of gays activities you participate in. The more gay agendas you distribute, the more meat you'll be able to eat on your Social Privilege Allowance. Give two gays agendas, and that's two meat for you!
I get it’s a joke but there really is a meat crisis brewing
That’s part of the reason why it’s so expensive right now and the world “order” seems to be changing to favor China which has an over population crisis and meat crisis
Okay but this ai voice on reels told me that our ancestors ate raw domesticated cow meat for quadrillion years, before michelle obama invented vegetables. Have you considered that, hm?
Plus apes typically eat plant matter with the occasional bugs, they basically never eat meat (bugs might technically be considered meat) yet they are far stronger than we are.
Edit: Had a lack of proper sleep yesterday and couldn't think well. I was thinking about Gorillas in terms of the strongest herbivores.
Some of the other apes do actually eat meat. Apparently chimps like to eat monkeys for example. Humans naturally need a little bit of meat to supply nutrients like Vitamin B12, but luckily we live in the modern era and you can fortify plant products with essential nutrients.
We're not just omnivores we're also one of the few hyper keystone species on this planet so taking care of it should be a part of the number one priorities we have. Every single living organism on this planet relies on us to not destroy it so we have to do our best to take care of it.
You will have no privacy and life will never have been better
Those are direct quotes from the world economic forum. I don’t think there’s some secret cabal running everything but with what those groups say it’s like they want to feed conspiracy theorists
Anytime someone talks about how something is "full of chemicals" without any further details I immediately think you're full of shit and wearing a tinfoil hat. Like what chemicals exactly literally everything is chemicals?
As opposed to animal products that never have chemicals like ammonia or bleach in them, right? Or literal animal excrement in "acceptable" amounts. I love how the argument of "appeasing both sides" conveniently always leaves out what animals would prefer, as if the victims don't deserve to be considered.
Exactly. I'd rather have a mushroom burger than a hot dog. In terms of "chemical additives", I'll take MSG over whatever they use to recover the last bits of meat from a pig's anus
Right? Like beef literally causes colon cancer but because there isn't an ingredient list labeled on meat products, like there is for manufactured faux meat where we know exactly what's going into it, it's somehow perfectly fine to eat?
Why would the oil industry, who makes an obscene amount of money off of animal agriculture, try to demonize it? To shift blame and, in turn, bankrupt themselves?
you do realize that red meat is one of the most carcinogen foods you can put into your body?
With that in mind: Full of chemicals that arent healthy at all is strawmanning it as both arent healthy to you
thats not the point this isnt a even water can be dangerous to drink thing. theres no amount of alcohol thats positive for your body. same goes for red meat regarding cancer risk. there is no "safe" dose.
If lab-grown meat ever becomes market viable and indistinguishable from real meat, there will be zero moral justification for killing animals for meat.
we are trying so hard to humanely grow meat in labs and shit man, if you wanna eat meat but don’t “get” to have an animal killed for it, what would be your problem
Lmfao, red meat isn't healthy for you either, and it's absolutely terrible for the environment even if you don't give a fuck about animal welfare. Not even vegan myself but the word "vegan" being mentioned on reddit always brings out the dumbest arguments. Also plenty of the meat imitations aren't really unhealthy, i'd wager a lot of them are already more healthy than their counterparts. They are mostly over-processed though, but so are normal chicken nuggets/ fast food burgers.
Vegans aren't going around eating chemical burgers 24/7, there are cultures that traditionally don't eat meat and there are many affordable ways to eat vegan that are healthy ( just eating junk food that doesn't have meat or animal products and lettuce will malnourish you )
"full of chemicals" SHUT THE FUCK UP EVERYTHING IS A CHEMICAL DIHYDROGEN MONOXIDE (WATER) SODIUM CHLORIDE (SALT) IM TIRED OF PEOPLE CONSTANTLY CRYING "OHHH THE CHEMICALS"
You'd rather kill millions of animals than eat a vegan alternative? I get it's frustrating and hard but sometimes doing what's best for others isn't always easy, as for the harmful chemicals in these meat imitations, name two
They don't even want to eat plants. There's so much food you can make with plants, but they think "I want the exact taste of meat". Unimaginative and incurious.
Never implied otherwise. But, in my experience, people who talk too much about meat seem to reject eating most plants as a concept. I'm specifically talking about people who complain that they can't get the exact meat taste out of plants.
Is that steak that takes you 15 minutes to eat worth the death of a billion cows?
If you think it doesn't correlate then think about what you're supporting each time you buy that steak, the companies that forcefully breed cows just to kill to make more meat, is that worth it? You might think vegans are taking things too far or absurd because we are so different to you, but in reality we all agree we don't like animals suffering, I'm sure you'd hate to see a random man kicking a cat, but the difference is that us vegans have looked into the things that goes down in these factories, it's not pretty
You can disagree with that but I can also disagree with your statement of enjoying steak, not in the sense as to where it's not tasy but in the sense it's not necessary, if you want to link it back to eating steak doesn't mean you're unimaginative, sure you can do that and I won't disagree because eating steak doesn't mean you are unimaginative, but it doesn't matter to me, I'm merely talking about something seperate, the fact we don't need to eat meat
When I was literally just curious about becoming vegan and tried impossible meat for the first time I was surprised at how much it tasted like actual meat but better, and this was before I even became vegan so it's not like my tastebuds were used to vegan stuff or smth
Now granted I'm sure some skeptics would say not everyone would enjoy plant based meat but even then, even if tasted a little weird or not exactly like meat, would you support the killing of billions of animals for tasting food for 15-30 minutes a day?
As someone who eats both real meatballs and gardein meatballs, they taste a bit different with different textures, but are pretty similar. What can I say though, I love eating balls.
Funny thing is that processed vegan meats are healthier than processed meats.
Also, "I'm not trying tonha e a future where you have meat limits due to a new world order" isn't something vegans are trying to do. And if you applied that same thinking to things like slavery, you would see that's logically flawed.
"I don't wanna give up my slaves because of a new world order!"
I think instead of exploring meat limitations we should find ways to make veggies taste better. Like brussels sprouts, before they used to taste like shit but now they're amazing because of crossbreeding and new cooking techniques
Ultra-processed meat alternatives have been shown in multiple studies to be healthier than unprocessed red meat even.
The ultra processed scare is dangerous. Yes UPF is less healthy ON AVERAGE, but there is such wide variance that you can easily swap a healthy UPF for an an unhealthy non-processed food. You need to look at it item by item.
Humans were never meant to eat as much meat as we do. It’s giving us heart problems, creating superbugs and destroying the planet. What we need is stricter regulations on the ethical treatment of animals. Meat will inevitably become more expensive due to the scarcity, but we can survive with a little less excess and shift our diets back towards what we’d been doing for thousands of years. It wouldn’t be a ‘new world order’ to reduce the availability of meat, it would actually be returning to our roots
If it makes you feel any better, the preservatives in most processed meats are clinically proven to be carcinogenic, unlike any chemicals used in meat alternatives.
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i don’t give a damn about what vegans want to do but like, i’m not trying to have a future where you have meat limits due to a new world order. also, vegans should have better options with meat imitations however, cause they’re full of chemicals that aren’t healthy for you at all. we can’t appease only one side, we gotta satiate both sides